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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:28 PM
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Poll question: Have you ever cheated or have you ever been cheated on?
I don't expect anybody to actually say yes on the first part, so I decided to make it a poll. Lets be honest...are you a cheater? Secondly, have you ever been cheated on?
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:31 PM
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1. The results are already funny.
Damn...maybe monogamy is unnatural lol.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:33 PM
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2. Assuming that we know if we have been cheated on? nt
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:34 PM
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4. i voted to the best of my knowledge...could be wrong.
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:34 PM
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5. I'm just assuming I have
:shrug:
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:35 PM
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6. that's so pessimistic that i just had to laugh.
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:38 PM
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11. That's me
Negative Nancy
Pessimistic Patty?
Glass is always half empty

Oh, yes and I've also dated a lot of assholes, so the chances are probably pretty good.

:rofl:
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:35 PM
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7. Thats the thing.
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 04:35 PM by Evoman
Everybody has stories about being cheated on or cheating on somebody. Now throw in the fact that a lot of people who think they have never been cheated on are being mislead......and it makes you think your dumb trusting anybody!
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:37 PM
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9. Yeah...I have very little faith in anyone remaining faithful. And to top
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 04:37 PM by MJDuncan1982
it off...Jesus had an even higher bar with the whole "lust in your heart" crap.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:34 PM
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3. My ex...while I was pregnant with his child...on my couch.
I found out by bluffing him... and he admitted it. And then wondered why I wouldn't marry him. :eyes:
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:47 PM
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14. That is so fucked up.
Man, I'm sorry you had to put up with that.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:58 AM
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27. Thanks Evo! I'm a better person for it and I ended up with the
right person. All is well in my life, thanks to my family. :hi:
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:37 PM
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8. So far NO responses for NO cheating.
Thats insane!
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:40 PM
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12. But!!! In 15 years with the "one who is right for me" there has been no
cheating. How do I know? I haven't and he works too damned much to have any energy to. And before anyone says,"How do you know he's working?", I know because I cash the paychecks. :D :hi:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:37 PM
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10. No real opportunities yet, but I hope not.
For all my social incongruities, I understand the effects of cheating (physical and emotional) and I would NEVER bestow that on any partner. Perhaps I'm old fashioned and irrelevant, but I do consider myself a hopeless romantic.

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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:40 PM
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13. Old fashioned people who are hopeless romantics never cheat.
But you can be sure that most of them get cheated on, lol. In my experience, any one of my friends who expressed himself as a romantic was cheated on by his gf who seemingly wanted a virile construction worker who didn't give a shit about being romantic!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:53 AM
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31. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:37 AM
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37. Don't start.
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 11:52 AM by HypnoToad
In case you haven't noticed, There have been many posts where I have spoken of people taken and I did not try to get involved in their relationships.

Single people can do what they want to each other, which includes spreading all the diseases they want on the provision one tells the other - truthfully - anything they've got. Anything else, especially if it's disease related, is criminal AFAIC.

Maybe you have a point. But you'd better prove it via a scenario regarding me rather than some glib nonsense.

Care to set me up for a fall?

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:38 PM
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60. Don't bother replying.
I'm done with this thread. Too hot and heated over something I'll never be in, so you can presume anything you like of me. I'll be around to defend myself as needed, however.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:47 PM
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15. Been cheated on
Haven't cheated. It's not worth the pain that you cause someone else, and in the end, yourself. (assuming one is in a monogamous relationship)
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:51 PM
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16. My answer's up there somewhere.
:hi:
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:53 PM
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17. What you didn't vote for other?
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 04:54 PM by Evoman
I was sure YOU would put Other: virgin.
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:56 PM
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19. Hmmm...can I go back and change my answer?
:evilgrin: :hi:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:54 PM
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18. Both. I was young.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:20 PM
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20. i'm not interested in monogamy.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:24 PM
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21. Neither!
It helps that I've never been in a serious relationship for more than a week.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:26 PM
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22. Its hard not to "cheat"
I mean really hard, its a struggle
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:27 PM
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23. Not once
My record is thusly 0-2. :eyes:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:56 PM
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24. Do emails count?
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:03 PM
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25. What, before or after 20ish?
Because I don't believe many 'committed' relationships occur before 20ish. So yeah, I messed around then, but then that's being young and exploring. But once you get older you take things more seriously (or I think one should do so). So even though 'technically' I have, I would vote a double no. I've never cheated on the woman I married (and my only serious relationship).
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:04 PM
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26. I got cheated on. It sucked. A lot.
x(
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:56 AM
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28. Never cheated, but been cheated on.
Sucks. Big time. Not sure I can ever put it behind us. Seems like I'm always gonna be waiting for the next shoe to drop...
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:56 AM
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32. ...
:hug:

RL
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 08:12 AM
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34. Thanks, RL.
...means a lot. :hug:
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:47 AM
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29. Never cheated but
have been cheated on. It's the worst hurt in the whole wide world.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:50 AM
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30. i have had very few monogamous arrangements...but i have cheated on people
and given what people to do each other in general...i dont think its a terrible thing..

did anyone see the last episode on brothers and sisters...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:43 AM
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40. Life is what we make of it.
SHOW you are better. Don't fall into the trap of "They did it too, so why should I care to be better?"
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:47 AM
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41. thing is i dont care to show i am better....its not such a big deal
one way or the other to me...

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:53 AM
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44. It might be to others.
And vice-versa.

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:56 AM
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45. every one who dates me is aware of who i am...and what i do
i dont hide things....i clearly just told a whole bunch of strangers that i cheat..i am a very open person...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:34 PM
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55. I appreciate your honesty on that.
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 12:35 PM by HypnoToad
However, you presumed I am all high and mighty solely because it's not easy for me to get a date (amongst other things). There were many ways that your post to me could be interpreted as an attack. You inferred that I'd cheat at the drop of a hat like everyone else. How dare you assume I am like everyone else? That's judging on your part. Prejudging, actually. Indeed, you didn't even respond to the one post that mattered most. And I could presume a few things from that too.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=5737899&mesg_id=5741072
The link I referred to.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:35 PM
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57. Chillax dude. nt
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #30
118. Well it's pretty fucking terrible to be on the receiving end.
I hope you never have to suffer through it yourself.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:58 AM
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33. a better question to ask is
How many opportunities to cheat has anyone passed up on when:


1. You are extremely attracted to the other person.
2. No one will ever find out.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:38 AM
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39. We're human, so #2 is an inescapable impossibility.
#1 only works if both parties are mutually attracted and feel their current lives (and the lives of those they love) are worth decimating. :think:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:48 AM
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42. cheating doesnt necessarily lead to decimation
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:25 PM
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50. I have passed up several opportunities
My dad was a casanova...he cheated on my mom and completely wrecked our family. Not only that, he chose "attractive women" but not necessarily SANE women, lol. His philandering led to bankruptcy, multiple children, and some time in jail. If that kind of example doesn't set you straight as a young man, nothing will lol.

That being said, I want you to know that I am being completely non-judgmental of you. Choices are choices, and I can completely respect people who don't do monogamy. I also understand why other people would cheat, especially if they are open about their ways (in which case, I guess its not really cheating lol).

Most of my male friends are like that anyhow. And many of them don't always understand why a guy like me WOUlDN't cheat. I suppose its a moral issue to some, but to me a big part of it is just staying out of trouble. Besides, my gf is absolutely perfect, and I don't want to fuck up that relationship (she would leave me in a second)!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:27 PM
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51. Judgemental?
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:33 PM
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54. Simmer down boy.
Lol...what makes you think I'm talking about you. I hadn't even read your response. I think your a fine person...I would never make a crack at you (my crack at you earlier nonwithstanding ;))
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:37 PM
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58. Sorry. But relartionships is one topic I take to heart.
I've stated in other threads how it does hurt people.

I am not a pile of empty words as some around here seem to think me to be (I'm not accusing you). I just don't like it when I'm being told I'm saying these things solely because I don't have a partner. That's... not nice. I'm sorry that person thinks all men are like that. That person's merely lived a more sheltered life than I have.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:40 PM
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64. Understood.
And I apologize if I offended you in any way.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:38 PM
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62. i agree with you. i think my point was mainly...most people cheat
they may not want to admit it, but statistically most people cheat. maybe du'ers are of a special group who dont. but somehow i doubt that. i remember how the last thread on cheating went, and i think the judgemental attitude is a bit funny.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:43 PM
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66. Yep..thats why this is a poll.
And even then, I don't think the numbers are necessarily accurate...I'm sure Skinner and the mods may be able to keep track of who voted for what in poll, and that may be dissuading some people from voting honestly.

I myself never really vote in my own polls, but I would have voted no/maybe.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 08:59 AM
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35. I have cheated and have been cheated on
but when I cheated it was young, not serious relationships but the other person considered it cheating when I really didn't.

I have never said I love you, then cheated.
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bedpanartist Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:31 AM
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36. Is eatin' cheatin'?
they say it isn't.
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. Who is "they"?
And yes. Yes, it is.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:52 AM
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43. All cheaters suck, and should have their faces rubbed in poo.
But a lot of them would probably dig that, anyway.

Play nice, kiddies. Karma's a bitch.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 11:58 AM
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46. Wow
some could say the same for judgmental jerks...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:01 PM
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47. yup that.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:16 PM
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48. Whatevs. Cheating sucks and hurts others BADLY.
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 12:19 PM by amitten
Spin that.

Oh wait...you can't. Because it's true.

And I "judge" cheaters the same way I "judge" people who slap their spouses around. It's hurtful any way you cut it, and it's wrong any way you cut it.

If you don't want to be with someone, leave. Cheating is never excusable, and it's damn selfish to boot. If you want to behave badly, kindly don't do it on someone else's watch.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:22 PM
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49. All I'm saying is
that you don't why know why some people have cheated, or even what they consider cheating and you are saying that all the people that have admitted to cheating should have their face rubbed in poo, that's judgmental.

BTW - I'm sure you're perfect and have never made a mistake in your life
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:46 PM
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68. I don't think that any reason is a good excuse to cheat.
Leave the relationship before starting a new one. Not that hard and that way innocent people don't get hurt.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:50 PM
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71. I'm not saying there is a good reason
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 12:52 PM by Divameow77
people just interpret cheating differently. Someone posted below that they cheated after they found out their partner did, does that make them a piece of shit?

I agree that cheating is not okay, I just don't like to judge people who are being honest about something like cheating, if they are not cheating on me then why do I care?

edited to include a "not" I forgot :-)
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:53 PM
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73. I've just seen too many people hurt by cheating.
It's far more honest to leave the current relationship and pursue the new one than cheat and risk hurting others.

It's as though the cheater wants to eat their cake and have it, too.

Strikes me as mean spirited actually.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:05 PM
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75. Of course its hurtful to be cheated on
and more honest to just leave, but people don't always make the best decisions and I don't think that doing something as common as cheating is deserving of being called a piece of shit, or the same as physical violence against your partner as some on this thread have suggested. Has everyone looked at the poll, a high number of people have cheated and that doesn't necessarily make them a bad person.

My father repeatedly cheated on my mother, even had 2 children with other women behind my mothers back, he deserted me and my mom when I was 5, married the second woman he impregnanted and they are still married to this day. I don't think that makes him a piece of shit, he did a shitty thing.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:25 PM
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78. Yeah, comparing domestic abuse and cheating is a bit over the top
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #78
91. Tell that to my best friend who was given herpes by a guy who
claimed to be faithful and refused to wear condoms.

He was seeing 3 other women...they all thought they were engaged to him.

Just as bad as getting slapped around, if you ask me.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:39 PM
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94. No, it's not -- I've known people in abuse relationships n/t
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:43 PM
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100. Well, you're talking to one.
I don't condone either sort of behavior, and I feel they can absolutely be equally demoralizing.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #91
95. That's an extreme case
and not the norm. Knowingly giving someone an STD is abuse and I believe it's a crime in some states. That's goes beyond sleeping with another person besides your partner.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:36 PM
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88. Cheating can be every bit as hurtful as physical abuse.
Unless the physical abuse is severe.

I've seen cheating devastate people's lives almost beyond repair. I'm talking incurable STD's, unwanted pregnancies, the works. Not to mention feeling completely unloved and degraded.

Cheating is an emotional form of abuse, in my opinion. And did I mention it's extremely selfish?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:42 PM
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99. No, it's not
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 01:43 PM by LostinVA
And, your comparing it to such just to make your point is more than a bit disingenuous. Cheating can be part of emotional abuse, but it is not abuse in and of itself.

I've known people who have had both affect them, not the same.

Again, it isn't necessarily as black-and white as you want it to be. Or a selfish behavior. Sometimes it is the antidote to selfishness.

You seem to have some personal issues with this topic. Don't transfer those onto other people and their lives. One size doesn't fit all.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:44 PM
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102. Wrong is always wrong. And hurting others is always wrong.
I never see shades of gray when it comes to hurting another person.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:32 PM
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84. I don't make mistakes like that.
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 01:33 PM by amitten
I do make mistakes. But I'm careful not to deliberately allow a man to have sex with me when I'm committed to another man.

Why? Because even though I've been tempted, I care too much about the feelings of others to devastate them completely. Like a typical Democrat, I guess.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #84
101. I don't do that either
I just don't think the issue is so black and white.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. If two people are single, they can do what they want.
But if people are in a relationship, it's off limits. Period.

As with George Michael vs Kenny Goss on gay.com, it's interesting to see who gets the sympathy and who is ignored or even pre-emptively spat on. (on gay.com, Kenny was ignored and George (who claims doing it in bathrooms is gay 'culture') was getting the silver treatment. Disgusting.)

Thank you for posting. It's nice to see some of us feel the same way and you said it all with utmost eloquence and conviction.

I'd rather see people in a relationship talk things out (e.g. like some relatives of mine had), but if people have to leave, they have to. It's sad, but I understand that it happens.

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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #52
114. Some might argue that
if you are an adult then you can do what you want, unfortunately not everyone has regard for the feelings of others.

While I don't condone cheating, ie. making a commitment of monogamy to someone and then sleeping with someone else, I'm realistic, people fuck up, and it's up to the person that was fucked to say bye, bye.

"Fuck me once shame on you, fuck me twice shame on me"

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #48
53. while i agree cheating can hurt...its not in the same category
as violence towards your partner

in most studies about 60% of people cheat...most people just lie about it to others

secondly, the long term consequences of being in a abusive relationship are not similar to being cheated on (unless ofcourse the person you are dating is both abusive and cheating)
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. I bet you the number is a lot higher.
I can't remember the name of the study off the top of my head, but I once read about a study that was being done where the scientists needed the DNA of the baby, and both parents. They discovered, unintentionally, that over 50 percent of the babies were no related to the supposed father, lol.

I bet you that percent of relatioships were cheatings occur is probably in the high 80s.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #59
104. And Jerry Springer remains happily employed! n/t
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #59
131. 15% of babies, not 50%
It was done in connection with transplant investigations.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #53
96. Not true.
I had an abusive partner that I didn't stay with for long. I left more or less unscarred...the guy was an angry drunk.

I had a friend who was cheated on who suffered far more mental anguish...from her "non-abusive" lover.

He abused her heart, ego, and kind spirit when he betrayed her.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #48
61. you are correct
if you are in a committed relationship with a person and you both have consented to a monogamous situation and you cheat - you are a piece of shit.

and a liar. drop the other person you are committed to if you need to explore.

and i am a pretty immoral person. and i have done my share of dirt in the past. i look back and realize that i was neither fair to other people or myself.

that's why i don't do committed relationships anymore. i cannot guarantee that i will not wander.



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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #61
67. Lol...i love when people call themselves immoral...its so self-honest.
You have no idea how much I respect people who are honest with THEMSELVES. (I also count myself in that category...self reflection of myself and my motives is something i do daily).
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #67
72. to thine own self be true
i am the one who has to live with myself.

knowing the difference between right and wrong and owning up to your shortcomings, indiscretions, and mistakes instead of making rationalizations and excuses is what matters most.

being aware of the situation can put you on the road to rehabilitation sometimes.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #48
77. Cheating is absolutely sometimes excusable
Be glad you've never been in a situation where that's true.

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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #77
128. How can it ever be excusable?
If the situation is bad enough that you're looking elsewhere, you shouldn't be in a momogamous relationship with the person in the first place.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #128
132. It's very easy to judge people from outside a relationship
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 04:26 PM by LostinVA
Your saying that means you've never been in such a situation. Lucky you.

Sometimes people can't leave. Things happen.

I've seen too much to ever, ever judge anyone like I used to.

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #43
76. Wow, judgmental much?
And, confusing sleeping with someone else with liking poo much?

Not everything is black and white, either.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. Isn't there a name
for the fetish of liking feces? I can't remember what it is...
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. There is, but I can't remember it
Which is probably a good thing...!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #82
89. Does that mean it's probably a bad thing that I do remember it?
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #89
98. No
but it makes me wonder about ya ;-)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #89
110. Hmmm....
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #80
86. Scat fetish.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #86
90. Maybe I'm not coming to NYC after all...
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. Geez...I learned it reading the "Savage Love" column.
It's safe for you to come to NYC.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #93
103. I'm teasing you, Punkmallow
Touchy today, huh?Huh?Huh?

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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #103
107. *poke* Do you like that huh? Huh? Huh? *poke* *poke*
:rofl:

And remember I'm totally PMSing right now.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #107
123. Yeah baby... harder.... harder....
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #123
125. I was poking you in the arm. Weirdo.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #125
127. I know -- PERV
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:34 PM
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56. Have never cheated. Wanted to, but didn't.
If we were still in an era where the worst thing you could catch in bed was curable with one shot, I'd have cheated at least half a dozen times by now. Given that we have AIDS now, though, I don't fucking dare.

A girl cheated on me once and said that she "just had to get it out of her system to make sure I was the one," claiming that at that point she knew that I was. She "just had to make sure." Oh, yeah - that's right up there with "it's not you, it's me" in terms of believability.

I know this sounds strange, but I was actually more pissed at her for the credit she was giving to my intelligence than I was about her cheating. Couldn't break up with her fast enough.

Epilogue: I got off light. She married some other guy, cheated on him, and now they're both HIV-positive.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #56
63. Talk about dodging a fucking bullet.
Buddy, I'm glad it wasn't you (although it sucks for her husband :( )
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. Right on all counts, friend.
I don't know how I'd handle it if I were him. I'm not the type to kill her, but I'd probably devote the rest of my life to making the rest of hers suck. He has become a shut-in in some tiny apartment and won't talk to anyone.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:40 PM
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65. I cheated on him after I discovered he was cheating on me.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #65
106. Well, that is excusable in my book. If one person has dropped
the commitment, it's pretty much null and void for the other.

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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #106
113. I had a *crush* on the one I cheated with
But I never acted on it at first, because I thought that would be betrayal and I would never do such a thing as cheat and jeopardize the relationship (blah blah blah). When I found out he was cheating on ME, I was devastated. But after I got over that, I thought, hey, why not go for it??



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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:49 PM
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70. Is it cheating when the relationship was on "hold"
I have always found that a gray area in my life. Been cheated on.

Then with my ex we hit a rough spot and decided to "split", I moved back across the country and had a fling with someone I had known. Then shortly after ex calls back and wants to make amends, so we rebuilt and had quite a few years together after that.

But that little gray area where we were split, I'm never quite sure what to say about that since it was only like a 5 month period.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #70
79. I hope you waited longer than Ross on "Friends"
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 01:31 PM by LostinVA
That was like five hours! "But we were on a break!!!"
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #79
85. Yeah, was like a month
Freaking weird time.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. That's okay then
I'm not judgmental about this subject -- I've seen too much grey between the black and white in relationships -- but Ross kinda pushed it with five hours or so...
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #87
92. lol yeah that is a bit much
5 hours after ours, I was on a plane heading back to GA heh, we were in San Francisco.
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Divameow77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #79
109. That's exactly what I thought of when I read that post
"We were on a break!"
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #109
124. Me too!
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:59 PM
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74. I've been cheated on
a couple of times. Once I found out when I walked into his apartment and found panties tacked to the wall as souveniers.

They weren't mine.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:28 PM
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81. Both.
It happens.

Life goes on.
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:29 PM
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83. Never cheated, but
I was cheated on. But then I really didn't give a shit by then and could have cared less. It was the period at the end of a sentence. We went our own ways.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:42 PM
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97. what this poll (and subsequent replies) teaches me
wow.

let me put it like this. you can fool all kinds of people all day long, but you ultimately cannot fool yourself.

if you want to do dirt, then admit your dirtiness. own up to your misdeeds, revel in them if you must.

just don't sit there and spout rationalizations about how you are still a decent person who JUST does shitty things to other people.

you can perfume a turd, put $200 dollars shoes on it, dress it in a $5000 suit and you know what you still have? a turd.

it is really very simple: if you are in a committed relationship, get out of it before you start fucking other people. or don't, i don't know what other people can deal with. i found it too taxing to live with my own lies/indiscretions/cheating and KEEPING IT INSIDE. it hurt too much. and the relationship thankfully ended. but it isn't fair to hurt other people.

if they did it to you, that's no excuse to indulge in vile behavior. well that's all it would be: an excuse.

or if you are the "wandering" type: don't inflict yourself on someone who is expecting a committed, monogamous relationship. stay single and maintain a stable of fuck buddies. or develop polyamorous relationships.

there are plenty of options. NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO HURT OTHER PEOPLE. you are responsible for your own actions, no amount of "grey area" can cover up the stink of bad behavior. no one likes a liar.



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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:48 PM
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105. I always love these threads..
lot's of justification for not being able to live up to a commitment to someone you supposedly care about. :eyes:


If you want to play do not get in a relationship where being with another would be 'cheating'. Go have your fun if you want - nothing wrong with that. But if in any way you may hurt someone you're supposed to care about leave them first. Do them a favor and just go away - that's less painful in the long wrong.


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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. I always love these threads.
Lots of judgmental statements by people who believe certain things are black and white, and have no compassion for people who have experienced certain things in a relationship.

If you may hurt someone you're supposed to care about, leave them first. Do them a favor and just go away - that's less painful in the long run.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #108
117. You're right I am judging
It's not black and white. I didn't say that. What I judge are those who are simply not cut out for a one on one commited relationship and who cheat on their partner, yet continue the lie of a committed relationship. There is no excuse, black and white or not, for betraying a trust like that.


If someone is just playing the field - that's not cheating.

If someone is a habitual 'cheater' - they have no business being in a relationship where 'cheating' is a possbility.


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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #117
119. it is incumbent upon those who possess the faculty of reason
to make judgments.

it's part and parcel of being a thinking person.

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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #105
111. yep
Couldn't agree more.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:55 PM
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112. I wonder how many who have cheated are answering that they didn't.
It amazes me how some people are able to deny reality because it doesn't fit in with their image of themselves as a being a "good" person. Women are better at that but I won't say women do it exclusively.
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #112
115. I answered honestly
and to the best of my knowledge. How's that for vague.
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #112
116. I'm not going to say that I haven't thought about it --
seriously thought about it. And after the last time I found out I was being cheated on, if I had been asked, I probably would have.

I've never been physically unfaithful, though. I have gotten emotionally close to someone; my relationship was falling apart at the time. Does that count, even if it wasn't ever acted upon?

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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #112
120. It's not that hard not to cheat
I mean yeah, people encounter temptations, but giving in is by no means inevitable.

Of course, people may have different ideas about what constitutes cheating.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #112
126. I just discussed this thread with my Mom -- we said the same thing
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:59 PM
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121. I was the "cheat-ee"
If that's what you would call the person the cheater was cheating with.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:10 PM
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122. been cheated, and cheated.
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 03:11 PM by Maine-ah
long time ago though. The man I married, and have been with for the past eleven years I cheated with, while I was living with someone else. At the time his girlfriend was sleeping with one of our best friends. We have always known though, that we'd end up together. Known eachother since 7th grade. We dated on and off through highschool too. Small town kind'a thing...

How do I know he wouldn't cheat, or me for that matter? Well, I guess I couldn't say I know 100% for sure, but there is a trust between us, and a love, that we never, ever had with anyone else. Oh, and we work together....lol...
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:53 PM
Response to Original message
129. Greatest google ad ever in this thread
"Find a cheating wife" Like one is looking for someone cheating on their husbands.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:55 PM
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130. I walked in on it to get the visual proof that it was happening - it felt
like a huge sledgehammer to the chest when it happened, even though I was 99% sure that something had been going for 2+ years at the time I discovered it.
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