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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:59 AM
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Rolling Stone: Eddie Van Halen hires his son, fires bassist Anthony, plan summer tour with...ROTH?
No link...this is transcribed from page 18 of the current Rolling Stone (Issue 1015, December 14th, the "Santa Snoop Dogg" cover)...And it hasn't really been a 22 year absence for Roth if you count his drive-by reunion for the two songs on the "Greatest Hits" CD...

:toast:

Van Halen are more of a family affair than ever: Eddie Van Halen has fired founding bass player Michael Anthony and replaced him with his fifteen year old son, Wolfgang. The move follows years of tension between the two and recent comments by Van Halen dismissing Anthony's playing. "My son is in, and Sobolewski (Anthony's real last name) can do whatever he wants," Van Halen told Howard Stern in September. "This kid is fucking dangerous. If I excel at the speed of sound, he excels at the speed of light." Eddie, Wolfgang and drummer Alex Van Halen are currently rehearsing for a summer 2007 tour. A representative for the band says no singer has been confirmed, but there are widespread rumors that David Lee Roth will be returning to the band after a twenty-two year absence.


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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:08 AM
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1. I had heard that there were tensions between he
and Anthony (Sobolewski). Eddie is an awesome guitarist. I am curious to see what happens.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:10 AM
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2. If Roth comes back, they'll be worth listening to again!!
The two songs they did back in '96 or '97 were breaths of fresh air from all the shit that Van Halen released after Roth left.

This is exciting!!
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:20 AM
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3. There's revenue of epic proportions waiting for them if they just decide to go after it...
Hard to say if Van Halen has any future as a recording act. Seems like the VanHagar thing was done to completion...maybe even beyond...and Roth's last solo CD was made up entirely of cover tunes. I'd love to see a follow up to "1984," but only if it meets or surpasses their previous work.

UFO was able to reunite with Michael Schenker and put out two of their best CDs, "Walk On Water" and "Sharks," so reunions can work, if everyone's focused.

But a Van Halen - Roth reunion tour? That thump-thump-thump bass intro to "Runnin' With The Devil" followed by Roth's vocals? Can we say "Biggest tour of 2007?"

:toast:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:57 AM
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8. Without Mikey?
You're crazy.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 07:18 PM
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28. Without Mikey will work worlds better than without Roth
Preference, of course, is for all four of 'em, but if we have to reduce the band down to three, Mikey and Alex are the expendable ones.

Actually, I'd rather he got rid of Alex. What a crappy drummer he is.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:33 PM
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36. Ya know,
we can kinda agree on the Alex thing, but I'm really just saying that--VH is VH. Roth and/or Hagar. But I feel Mikey is just essential to the sound. As I said in the other post below, I could have understood if Ed felt he couldn't grow as an artist because of the sound that they were putting out with Mikey,but we all know (and reports have been saying for two years now) that it was because of Mikey's friendship with Hagar and his promotion of his hot sauce.
Eh, I guess we'll see. I'm very dissapointed in Ed, though.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:25 AM
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4. I can't believe Wolfgang is 15 yrs old
God do I feel old
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:44 AM
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5. I am a HUGE VH fan. This is a HUGE MISTAKE.
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 12:01 PM by lildreamer316
Notice my nickname.
I have a bike painted like the Frankenstrat.
Followed them around since I was able to, unfortunately only since the Hagar years. LOVE BOTH the Hagar and the Roth years. Not that any of that matters.

I WILL NOT
NOT
GO SEE THEM ON THIS TOUR.

If Eddie is so egotistical that he cannot see that Mikey was and always will be part of the band, then he's an ass and that is NOT VH touring,it is members of VH doing a tour with replacement members.


I don't understand how people here can cheer about this at all. Mike is an ESSENTIAL, faithful member of the band, and has put up with all the BS from day one, AND can sing the high notes that DAVE sometimes couldn't!!! HE IS PART OF VH. PERIOD. (Just like you were screaming Dave was. I never argured that he wasn't)


You wanna scream and shout about the ORIGINAL VH? Eddie, Alex and Mikey ARE THE ORIGINAL VH!!! IF you recall, DAVE is the one who VOLUNTARILY LEFT in late 1984. HELLO.


What a dissapointment. What sacrilige. What a fucking stab in the back.

Hagar proved the band could go on without Roth. Whether you liked him or not, it was a cohesive unit, they wrote songs together, they had a good time together, they produced albums that sold, whether to you or not. But that STILL INCLUDED 3 ORIGINAL MEMBERS, AND THE MUSIC SOLD. IT ONLY SHOWED HOW BRILLIANT they were that they could make it work, AND WELL, with more than ONE lead singer!!

And I happen to like ALL of it, because it was ALL VAN HALEN. If you don't like Hagar, that's your business,but the three of them could still put out music and it was the original band, and it sounded good.( I personally think that means one doesn't have an open mind,if you can't listen to the Hagar years and hear that it's still VH and still good,but what do I know? I'm just a "stupid gen-Xer stripper girl who never got to see them with Roth, so I guess I'll never know what I missed" blah blah blah)

Eddie needs to grow up. He is a musical genius, and I am faithful and true to his music as much as a person can be - but that dosen't mean he has any people sense. Obviously.


After this post, I am attempting to ban myself from this thread. I feel too strongly about it.
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:24 PM
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11. As talented as he is, Eddie's got no shortage of "artistic temperment"...
...and yeah, Anthony's an original member, and unless Roth is desperate (a possibility), I can't see him feeling good about the power balance of a band that includes three Van Halens and one of him.

I always felt that enticing Roth back for a couple of new songs on the Greatest Hits album and then kicking him to the curb was a stab in the back, too. So this is a band with no shortage of stabs.

Yes, anyone who saw the "reunion" clip of Roth, Anthony and the Van Halens on MTV knew that it was only a matter of minutes before Roth would return to his status as "former lead singer of Van Halen." Everyone seemed to know it but Roth.

For the record, I thought the first Montrose album was 100% "Hall of Fame" stuff...sheer perfection, what I'd classify as "American Led Zeppelin"...not a bad note on it. Regarding the rest of Sammy's career, it's hit and miss. He brought some of those hits (and some of those misses) to VH. So yeah, I like it all too, and if I had a choice of Dave or Sammy, I'd go with Dave.

You're right...Eddie might benefit from growing up and gaining some "people sense." In a way, he's a little like George W. Bush. He's had his way for so long, and no one's been in a position to challenge it, that...to paraphrase Sheryl Crow, "a change would do him good," I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for it.

If you really like all of it, maybe you'll like Eddie-Alex-Dave-Wolfgang. Maybe not. They're gonna do it anyway, ya know?

:toast:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:46 PM
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14. Yeah, I know.
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 12:50 PM by lildreamer316
Strange to some, that I get all worked up about this of all things. But, I just feel strongly about it. As is obvious.
I just....have been watching Eddie since about Balance-era. For my money, that was the best produced album they ever did-soncially tight; incredible. ANYway, Eddie just seems to not be able to find what it is he's looking for.
Let me put it this way: other artists of his era (when he was first starting) have come back and put together some ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT albums. Sure, they're not top of the popular charts, but you grab any fan of Floyd, Rush, Toto, etc. (you know what I mean) and they can show you RECENT work by these maj orly talented artists, too many for me to think of right now, that is just off the hook amazing. There are collaborations all over the place that are producing some wonderful and genius-inspired music. Even some members of the "hair bands"; who's talent got lost in all the glam, have started to collaborate,and gotten some kick-ass stuff out.
It seems that most of these people had a sorta crisis like Ed's had-but they all managed to find peace,and not at the sacrifice of their muse and genius ability. Unfortunately, it seems to me that Ed is still lost.
Of course I have no idea what it is he's thinking, and it's none of my business. VH is theirs, they can do with it what they want. I respect Ed's need to express himself any damn way he sees fit. Hell,I even like a couple tracks off of VH3, because it was Ed trying something different. He knew he couldn't grow unless he did. But if the other people I mentioned can come up with this beautiful stuff, I am just DYING to hear what is in his head. Guess I may just have to live without it. We'll see. What my problem is,is that I could possibly buy the argument that Ed had reached his creative limit with Mikey in the band. But it is really obvious that is NOT the reason for the firing, it's because he's jealous of Mikey's side promotions and his friendship with Hagar.

As for the Roth "stab"; yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Ed needed to grow up then, and that was over ten years ago. Whether or not anyone thought Roth "deserved" it, it was childish and petty, and should have been kept between themselves. But, again, not my call.

I hope that Ed finds whatever it is he's looking for. It's just too bad that he has to lash out at everyone else before he looks inside himself. And REALLY too bad that we may never get the chance to hear some wonderfully inspired music from this genius becasue of his ego wars.

I really hope I'm wrong.:hi:


P.S. WELCOME TO DU.
And you are right now automatically my friend because of your reasoned response and your defense of Mikey downthread.:toast:
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:52 PM
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15. Thanks for the welcome and the friendship.
:toast:
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:19 PM
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17. The Montrose debut was solid
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 04:29 PM by Oeditpus Rex
Nothing innovative or ground-breaking, but just really good '70s rip-it-up rock with a guitarist who's up there with the best ever. That album was also Hagar's peak, IMO; his voice was more suited to the Montrose style than VH's.

On his early solo albums, Hagar tried a couple of ballads ("Flamingos Fly" and a very unfortunate cover of Donovan Leitch's "Catch the Wind") and left people going "WTF?" All he did was prove he has limited vocal range best suited to his stoner-rock tracks such as "Rock 'n' Roll Weekend," "Keep On Rockin'," "Cruisin' and Boozin'" and "I Can't Drive 55."

Van Halen saved Hagar. Without them, he would've been playing county fairs for the last 10 years.

Edit:

From Wikipedia: The title track off the album VOA is a jingoistic, pro-war tune, and he and his brother have suggested in interviews that Sammy supports the Republican Party. According to newsmeat.com he is said to have contributed $2000 to the Bush-Cheney campaign. He has acknowledged that he is a close friend of Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, to whom he contributed $4500 over the course of almost 15 years. Hagar wore a "Hasta La Vista, Davis" t-shirt, apparently in support of then-candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger at some live shows during the 2003 California recall of then-Governor Gray Davis.

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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:51 PM
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19. He released "VOA" in 1984, which contained "I Can't Drive 55"...
...as well as nine other songs that most people have probably never heard of. The next solo album came in 1987, co-produced with Eddie, and had "Eagles Fly," which seemed to me like a minor hit. So there's no doubt that in Sammy World, Van Halen was paying most of the bills in the eighties and nineties.

I really had my fingers crossed at the time of 1997's "Marching To Mars" (the first solo album after leaving VH for the first time), specifically because of "Leaving The Warmth Of The Womb" (with Ronnie Montrose on guitar). Because of Van Halen's roots as a Sunset Strip anything goes "party" band, Hagar's silly-ass leanings had a home. Montrose, however, was pretty much no-nonsense hard rock, and the "Marching To Mars" track really was a teaser. A full-blown Montrose / Hagar LP? Didn't happen in 1997, but never say never is my motto. Montrose had Davey Pattison in Gamma, who runs a very close second to Hagar as his best vocalist (and leaves Hagar in the dirt on "Voyager," perhaps the finest Montrose cut EVER)...but a Montose / Hagar album, done right, would really be an event.

I agree that the first Montrose album was probably Hagar's peak in terms of consistency and overall performance. Too many of the "Red Rocker" songs he cranks out seem to play heavily to the Wayne's World Wayne 'n' Garth idiot crowd (like "It's The Pits," possibly his worst song of all time).

And yes, he's a Red State Red Rocker. I read a few articles about VOA at the time of its release, things like the photo of him landing on the White House lawn by parachute, etc. etc. etc...

Like Gene Simmons, I think Hagar is a reasonably shrewd businessman (perhaps not as bloodthirsty as Simmons, though, even with the Tequila business). But let's remember that Gene Simmons was the one who put up the money for Van Halen's first demo tape, so the whole concept of "who is the target audience" takes on a new meaning.

A large part of the Roth-era Van Halen's success...aside from the band's obvious talent...is that they had a universal appeal. It was just killer rock and roll coming at the end of Disco. It was "Eruption" screaming out of radio speakers all over the USA, followed by the inevitable "Wait a minute...that's not the Kinks" reaction to "You Really Got Me."

They took back rock and roll for the true middle American rockers, and they took it back with a vengeance.

Van Hagar was a mix of Eddie looking for new ways to express himself (as in more keyboards, which Roth hated) and Sammy smelling a golden opportunity to launch a third, lucrative phase of his career.

:toast:
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:20 PM
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24. Guess I didn't appreciate Pattison as much as you
First time I heard him I thought, "Well... close, but no cigar."

I won't even discuss Bob James. :eyes:

OTOH, and inapropos of this, Ronnie Montrose's solo work blew me away. His cover of Gene Pitney's "Town Without Pity" is some of the best guitar work I've ever heard.

But, yeah — "That's not the Kinks." :thumbsup: One thing I really appreciated about VH was the way they did covers. They made them theirs while respecting the original (well... except "You're No Good"). I loved what they did with "Ice Cream Man," "Oh! Pretty Woman" and "Dancing In the Street."

Don't know if DLR learned this from them or if he knew it himself, but his cover of "Just a Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody" was so respective of the Louis Prima version that it seemed a tribute to him.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:42 PM
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26. Hagar with Montrose is still the best "hard rock" vocalist I have ever...
seen in concert. Not rocknroll, punk, metal, protometal, whatever, but hard rock. And that was over 30 years ago...migod I'm getting old :)
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 06:18 PM
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27. I never got to see them
But I heard some live stuff bootlegged from a Cleveland concert. (Ronnie Montrose dated a KSJO disc jockey for awhile. I imagine that's how the station got the tape.)

I still think Hagar's scream after the intro to "Space Station No. 5" was the best scream in rock history.

:headbang:

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:55 PM
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20. I would feel the same way if Noel kicked Liam out of Oasis.
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 04:55 PM by LoZoccolo
:hug:
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:48 AM
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6. Wow, three Van Halens in one band...
Will their massive ego's finally collapse into a single self centered black hole?
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:55 AM
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7. that was kind of a low-blow calling him Sobolewski instead of the name
he wants to be called. wasn't it? a little petty.

i bet Eddie Van Halen can be a real prick to work with.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:57 AM
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9. Van Halen should retire
They are over the hill.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:22 PM
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10. That's really stupid because Anthony was actually VH's secret weapon...
Anthony's minimal bass lines worked really well for the band's aesthetic and his harmony vocals were spot on. If Anthony had been a showy player, the basslines would have crashed into Eddie VH's guitar hero pyrotechnics. Anthony is actually a sensitive musician with an unerring sense of what serves the song.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:28 PM
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12. I played minimal basslines
but only because I wasn't very musical... it was all I could do to stay on the root and remember one song from another.

Yet, people still called me an excellent bass player. I guess because I did play in time and had a decent sense for dynamics, but that was about all I had going for me.
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:32 PM
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13. You couldn't have a John Entwistle-style bass player in VH...
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 12:34 PM by Anthony Soprano
...you need a solid "rock bottom," no frills rhythm section. There are many instances in the songs of The Who in which Entwistle took the solos, or played a lead pattern over a rhythm section held down by Townshend and Moon ("The Real Me" is the first example that comes to mind).

It's funny that Eddie's attacking Anthony now, because in the past, he's been a very vocal defender of his style. Anthony's nickname has been "Luckiest Man In Show Business" in some circles, and apparently, those circles now include Eddie.

I remember reading an interview with Eddie at the time of "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge," specifically on the subject of improving the "thin" bass and drum sound that ended up on "OU812." They supposedly invested a significant amount of time with Ted Templeman and Andy Johns in describing the exact sound they wanted. So for Eddie to be dismissive of Anthony's talent at this point has more to do with Eddie and less to do with Anthony, IMHO...

:toast:

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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:01 PM
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23. maybe he'll go on to bigger and better things
it's such a slap in the face, really...

:shrug:
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:37 PM
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16. Photo and article from TMZ:
Van Halen's New Bassist? Eddie's Boy Wonder!

Posted Nov 2nd 2006 6:05PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Music, Kids
Van Halen has finally found its new bassist -- and it looks like the rock gods are keeping the band a family affair.



TMZ is first to confirm that Van Halen has hired 15-year-old Wolfgang Van Halen -- the son of guitarist Eddie Van Halen and estranged wife Valerie Bertinelli, and nephew of drummer Alex Van Halen -- as the new bassist for the band.

Wolfgang replaces longtime bassist Michael Anthony, who left the band earlier this year. Eddie Van Halen's spokesperson Janie Liszewski tells TMZ that Wolfgang, known as "Wolfie," has already joined his dad and uncle for rehearsals in the studio for a 2007 summer tour. Wolfie played dates with his father during the band's 2004 tour, and the song "316" on 1991's "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge," was named for Wolfie's birth date that same year.

The band is still without a lead singer, despite rumors that David Lee Roth might rejoin.


...and Eddie's remarks on Anthony, from Billboard:

http://tinyurl.com/yg2q83

No details have been provided about Anthony's departure, although Van Halen knocked the bassist for aligning himself with Sammy Hagar during a September appearance on "The Howard Stern Show."

"I got no problem with these guys, but they're billing themselves as the other half of Van Halen," he said. "My brother is the other half of Van Halen. They're out there selling hot sauce and tequila and playing all my songs. It doesn't bother me. It just makes them a cover band."


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Tripper11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:49 PM
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18. Here's a link, different source, same story
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:56 PM
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21. Thanks...
:toast:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:00 PM
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22. why was Michael fired?
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 08:45 PM
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29. Rumor is his alliance with Hagar...their touring as "The Other Half"...
I don't know what kind of animosity exists between Eddie and Sammy, but after sifting through the various articles, it seems that being a friend and touring partner of Sammy Hagar diminishes one's job security in Van Halen.

:toast:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:17 PM
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32. hm, i don't know either, maybe something stinky came down in Cabo...
maybe Hagar was seen as turning a commercial enterprise here & there on the band's name, maybe his lyrics were too spot-on poetic or whatever, who knows...oh...

and welcome to du, Anthony Soprano :toast:
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:18 PM
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33. Thank you!
:toast:
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:26 PM
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25. Van Halen has sucked since note one. It can't hurt.
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 08:50 PM
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30. No, Van Halen performed a major public service...
...as I mentioned above. They brought back rock & roll from the jaws of the disco era. They made hard-hitting guitar-based rock & roll exciting again.

On the other hand, I remember a ton of "shredders"...guitarists who attempted to follow in Eddie's footsteps, big-haired guys in platform shoes tapping their fretboards in an attempt to be "the fastest"...we don't owe Eddie for those guys. It wasn't his fault, but when thinking of Van Halen's contribution to rock & roll, the big-haired copycats doesn't enter into it.

The biggest culprit here was Mike Varney, whose Shrapnel Records existed solely for the purpose of signing as many "shredders" as possible. The only one who still seems to have a paying gig is Vinnie Moore, who landed in the current version of UFO. The rest are all carrying "will shred for food" signs.

:evilgrin:

:toast:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 09:15 PM
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31. "will shred for food"
lol.

you can find them in your neighborhood music store. The Poodlehead guitar salesman. You know him.

you're out looking for a cool used guitar and he's the one that walks up to you and tells you that the guitar youre considering is shit, points at some jagged Jackson, takes it off the wall and murmurs to himself "have to find the sweet spot" before hammering-on 'Eruption' for 10 minutes and never notices you get up and walk out. Because you've already got a headache from the 7 men in their late 30's who all seem to be playing "Sanitarium" on the display equipment.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:52 PM
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34. I always found Mike Varney to be particularly creepy...
maybe it's just my lurid imagination, but I always got a real chickenhawk (not the warmongering kind) vibe from him. The combination of the way the guy came off and his penchant for finding legions of young gutarplayers ("I'll make you a star!") just seemed kinda...y'know...creepy
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:29 PM
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35. Hey Anthony..
I can't PM you yet, so I'm just gonna ask..

Have you heard the new TOTO album?

Goddamitt, Luthaker KILLS, and the whole band is so TIGHT it almost hurts!! Bobby Kimball WAILS. You won't believe it's TOTO.
Seriously. Go check it out............I can't rave about it enough. But, it may not be your taste, I dunno.

Oh, and my other "discovery"--Soul Sirkus.

Neil Schon--Guitar
Jeff Scott Soto--Vocals
Marco Mendoza--Bass
Virgil Donati--Drums

Of course Soto is now off fronting Journey since Steve A. dropped out on tour, but the song "Highest Ground"--BAD ASS.

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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 04:06 PM
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38. If you like Lukather, you've GOTTA tell me you already own THESE:
...their version of Jeff Beck's "The Pump" (on both the CD and DVD) is worth the price of admission all by itself.

Haven't heard the new Toto. I like the original stuff and lean toward the harder-edged songs, so this sounds like something I'd want to hear.

Augeri left Journey??? Unbelievable. Did he actually leave the band permanently or just drop off the current tour (he's still listed as a band member on the Journey site)...I know of Soto primarily from Malmsteen's band. Did you see this (also on the Journey site)...

Rock away the night at ARF Rocks! on Friday, January 5 at 7:30 p.m. at the Lesher Center for the Arts in Walnut Creek, California. Join Tony La Russa along with Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain from Journey and friend Jeff Scott Soto, guitarist Ronnie Montrose and Marty Casey & Lovehammers. Don't miss the opportunity to be a part of this memorable evening! Tickets, priced at $100, $50 and $35 will go on sale Tuesday, December 5, 2006 and will be available by calling 925-943-SHOW.

http://www.journeymusic.com/index2.html


Thanks for the recommendations...and if you don't have these, buy 'em!

:toast:

No Substitutions: Live in Osaka



http://www.amazon.com/No-Substitutions-Osaka-Larry-Carlton/dp/B00005A3N0/sr=8-1/qid=1165179278/ref=sr_1_1/002-1078285-1283235?ie=UTF8&s=music

Carlton Lukather Band - The Paris Concert (2005)



http://www.amazon.com/Carlton-Lukather-Band-Paris-Concert/dp/B000AS1HKY/sr=8-2/qid=1165179278/ref=sr_1_2/002-1078285-1283235?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 04:25 PM
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41. Have heard,
do not have currently.
I was already on board for that middle one, so as soon as I have the cash, it will be mine (oh yes, it will be mine!)
Thanks!
Not sure what's up with Augeri; he said he had throat problems, but rumor has it that it's permenant and that Soto is gonna replace, since he did so well live.
Guess we'll see.

Man, I would love to hear that show. Hope someone airs it.

Oh, we are gonna talk some good music!:yourock:
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:29 AM
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37. Seriously can this guy get along with anyone
Roth, Haggar, Roth, that guy from Extreme, Haggar, Roth

Now Anthony?
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Anthony Soprano Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 04:21 PM
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40. If Roth comes back, we only have to wait two more cycles for the Extreme guy again...
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 04:23 PM by Anthony Soprano
...poor Extreme guy, the Rodney Dangerfield of the Van Halen lineup..."no respect"...

:rofl:

I remember Roth talking about Hagar fronting VH...said something like "He's gonna spend the rest of his life singing "Jump" onstage, but I'll never touch one of his songs...

Then they became BFF ("best friends forever") and went on that "Sam and Dave Tour"...

So if Roth does come back, and Eddie's idea is to get at least one major "I can retire after this" stadium tour, what's Diamond Dave gonna do with four studio albums worth of Sammy songs? Ignore them? Or be a "good sport" like the Extreme guy and sign a few?

The hardcore Roth fans (even if they happen to be moderate Sammy fans from Montrose or the solo stuff) would probably be OK with a show that featured 100% "original" VH tunes.

The hardcore Sammy fans might cop an attitude and stay home if Dave returns, but if they do go, I don't think they could possibly expect to hear Dave croon "Ooooooh, that's what dreams, are maaaaaaaaaaaade of...."

:evilgrin:

So this is how I see it:

2007: Van Halen World Tour with Diamond Dave

2008: Dave fired again, band spends most of 2008 and 2009 squabbling

2010: Van Halen's Senior Moment Cabo Wabo-palooza featuring Sammy Hagar

2010: Hagar fired halfway through tour, Extreme guy returns

2011: Van Halen records new studio album with the Extreme guy called "3-1/2" (playing off of the previous album with the Extreme guy).

2011: Van Halen's "3-1/2" has the worst sales of any Van Halen album to date. Wolfgang fires Eddie, the Extreme guy quits, George Lynch (from "Dokken") joins on guitar and immediately fires Wolfgang, Michael Anthony returns, Dave is re-hired, and the new Van Halen plans a 2012 World Tour.

2012: George Lynch abruptly leaves the band to join the reformed Dokken. Eddie coincidentally shows up in the studio the same day and is asked to rejoin by Michael Anthony. The Van Halen Brothers, Anthony and Roth hit the road on the triumphant "What the Hell Were We THINKING" tour.

2013: Alex Van Halen fires Roth, Eddie fires Alex, Roth fires Eddie and hits the road on the "Songs of Van Halen" tour with opening act Carrot Top.

HELLO CLEVELAND!



:evilgrin:

:toast:
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 04:18 PM
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39. Don't necessarily assume that Eddie can't get along with anyone. But, don't let him off the hook
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 04:22 PM by LibraLiz1973
either. Eddie is a difficult personality at best.


Diamond Dave was kicked out of the band for a very specific reason
I would be SHOCKED if Eddie had his son in the band and wanted to have Dave tour with them.
Eddie and Dave have problems that go back years and years. The truth is, both of them are verrry prickly.

Gary Cherone left because there was NO interest in the band with him in it. Should be interesting to see what they do now.
Would Valerie really allow her son to join a band and go on tour??????
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