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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:47 AM
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Wanna make God laugh? Tell Him your plans...
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 01:47 AM by WilliamPitt
Ha.

Ha.

A week ago I was as happy as a man could be. I was happy enough to feel safe: I could talk about my joy on DU. It wasn't as if it would all go wrong a week later...no...it wasn't as if life as I knew it didn't dig throwing curveballs...

...I'll be single before Sunday is out. You heard it here first.

Yup.

Welcome to me. Eat the dirt. I tried. For eight years I tried.

I did. I gave it everything I had to give. When that isn't enough, the smart man hits EJECT and waits for what the world has to offer.

EJECT
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:50 AM
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1. Oh, Will...
:-( I grieve for you. Losing a relationship sucks ass.

Hang in there.

Tucker
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:52 AM
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2. I tried
Started when I was 24. Went through everything...the failure is not on me. Eight years. 32 now. I did my part, overtime.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:55 AM
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4. Think of it as a beginning....
not as an ending. It is good you feel you did everything you could. Hang on to that thought.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:58 AM
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7. I know how it is...
I spent nine years married to Otter. We'd dated two years before getting married.

Nine years. Two kids. Three cross-country moves.

It still tears me up when I call to talk to my kids and hear his voice on the answering machine: "You have reached Otter and Aimee. We're not available right now..."

Tucker

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:21 AM
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39. He hasn't changed the answering machine?
Sheesh, how creepy is that! :wtf: Sorry for you AlienGirl.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:54 AM
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3. I feel you, dawg.
I'd found the one, was ready to pick up and move, get married and have kids whether I was ready or not, and...

"I don't love you."

That was two Super Bowls ago, and I think I've finally moved on. Here's hoping you recover faster than I did.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:56 AM
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5. Sorry to hear it, Will
condolences and thoughts to you.

But you are indeed right - making plans is the best, perhaps the only, way to get the Big Guy to laugh. I've discovered that more times than I can count.

But, much sadness on your end this time, and I am sorry to hear it.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:56 AM
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6. Sorry to hear that Will
I truly am.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:58 AM
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8. I'm so sorry
Love, relationships, or whatever you want to call them can suck really bad. I got married way too young to someone I never quite connected with so I wouldn't have to feel that kind of pain again. Now, I'm going to end up breaking everyone's heart down the road because of it all. And I still managed to feel that kind of pain anyway.

I hope it gets better for you soon, but it's so hard sometimes.

:hug:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:59 AM
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9. God only laughs because he's got something else in mind for you
Wish you well Will,

Happiness whatever that may be , may it grace you
forever and always .
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:04 AM
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10. Well, then... here's a song for you
An Allman Brothers gem called "Soulshine".

When you can't find the light,
That got you through the cloudy days,
When the stars ain't shinin' bright,
You feel like you've lost your way,
When those candle lights of home,
Burn so very far away,
Well you got to let your soul shine,
Just like my daddy used to say.

He used to say soulshine,
It's better than sunshine,
It's better than moonshine,
Damn sure better than rain.
Hey now people don't mind,
We all get this way sometime,
Got to let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

I grew up thinkin' that I had it made,
Gonna make it on my own.
Life can take the strongest man,
Make him feel so alone.
Now and then I feel a cold wind,
Blowin' through my achin' bones,
I think back to what my daddy said,
He said "Boy, it's always darkest before the dawn."

Let your soulshine,
It's better than sunshine,
It's better than moonshine,
Damn sure better than rain.
Yeah now people don't mind,
We all get this way sometimes,
Gotta let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

Sometimes a man can feel this emptiness,
Like a woman has robbed him of his very soul.
A woman too, God knows, she can feel like this.
And when your world seems cold, you got to let your spirit take control.

Let your soulshine,
It's better than sunshine,
It's better than moonshine,
Damn sure better than rain.
Lord now people don't mind,
We all get this way sometimes,
Gotta let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

Oh, it's better than sunshine,
It's better than moonshine,
Damn sure better than rain.
Yeah now people don't mind,
We all get this way sometimes,
Gotta let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

-- Warren Haynes
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:09 AM
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11. just burnin up bad karma , Will
she wasn't a republican was she? (she was a she, right?)
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:10 AM
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12. sorry Will, the hurt that keeps on comin.
From Casablanca, Rick recalls the last day when he lost Ilsa,

A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical
look on his face because his insides……had been kicked out.

Sorry for your loss Will, Hang in there we,re pullin for ya.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:12 AM
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13. I eventually gave up...
...I just can't find a man or woman that doesn't annoy me after about 72 hours...
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:34 AM
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14. not the right one
Someday you'll meet someone and everything will click. You'll know it's right because everything will go right with this person.

The first clue that a relationship wasn't meant to be is when you have to "work" at it. I disagree with those who say relationships are "work." Hell, I have a job; I don't need any more "work" with a relationship.

Disclaimer: The above assumes the individuals are mature adults without major psychological issues.


Cher

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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:46 AM
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15. Ouch.
Sorry to hear that, Will. Carry everything you
learned into whoever's next in the gal realm.
You can't put a new car in the garage until
you get the old car out. Nothing's wasted.
In the meanwhile, uh, want a pet?
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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:51 AM
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16. Things will get better, Will.
I spent 7 years with hubby no. 1, two kids. He was a jerk. It took me a long time to marry again, but hubby no.2 is my Prince Charming. Too bad you don't live in Texas - I have a 29-year old niece who is single and adorable!
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:00 AM
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17. its trite but its the truth
if you believe in God then you know he doesnt slam a door in your face w/o opening a window...(just be careful not to get charged with B & E!)
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:27 AM
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19. I disagree
I don't believe in offering false hope. I've been around too many dying and very ill people to offer that kind of false hope - sometimes God slams a door shut, and that's it. There is no window, there is no other door, there is no "better tomorrow". Because most times, it isn't God that slams the door anyway - it's us, or a virus, or a cancer cell, or a significant other, or a family member, or a bus.

This is not to be pessimistic, just realistic. All we can expect from God is that he/she is in the suffering crying right along with us. And that's about it.

I think that to say "Hey, it'll be better tomorrow" is to discount the pain and suffering of today, and a refusal to enter into the suffering with your fellow human being. In chaplaincy, all we do is enter the suffering and share it, to the best of our ability, and acknowledge its reality.

Not to be harsh to you, but we all die. For some, a window will open. But not for all. And thus to promise that it will happen is a dangerous thing to do, because it might not, and we should be wary of promising something that we can't guarantee will happen.
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CivilRightsNow Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:35 AM
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30. Life is suffering..
Right? Isn't that what the Dali Lama says? ;)

But as a Christian, lines of suffering and redemption often get skewed.

It will be better tomorrow, if we let it. It just depends on how deep into the suffering we think we must sink before finding our way out. Everything happens for a reason and I believe that if we turn our pain over to God, he often weaves it into a cocoon for us, until we are ready for it's transformation and emergenence.


Will,
There are great things on the horizon, dont let this cloud your view for too long. There is work to be done. Sometimes his plan for us is alot greater then our plans for ourselves.
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TolstoyAndy Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:11 AM
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18. Lotta love, Will
Real sorry to hear your news, Will.

You've got a world to offer a lucky someone when you're ready to move on.

Don't let the hurt get you too far down.

BTW my local library stocked "The Greatest Sedition is Silence" and having finally read it - you rock, dog.

Hang in there. Feel the love here.

:hug:
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:31 AM
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20. Sound like you're meant to be on your own for awhile
Sometimes, no matter how much you work on it, things don't work out. Doesn't mean it's anyone's fault, just that it wasn't right. You'll pick yourself up, move on and eventually be just fine.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:58 AM
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21. More like DOUBLE O.T. ,Pal!
We talked about this at Doobies in June and in Delaware in July,compadre. You've got a finite amount of emotional energy to give another person.:eyes:

That blinking light you've been seeing in the corner of your eye was the "EMPTY" warning light.

When in doubt-come home to Philly but wait UNTIL AFTER the Super Bowl!:hangover:

Only the best,YOUR GUY, in the Faculty Lounge:donut:
G.G.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:50 AM
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22. I'm sorry honey
If you need anything - to talk about it , to holler about it, to be distracted from it - I'm here. :hug:
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 08:59 AM
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23. This, too, shall pass
Take some minor consolation in the fact that you DID give it your best shot. Then forgive yourself and all involved--be glad for what happiness and growth came out of it.

Try to land on your feet. :hug:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:00 AM
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24. Will, a great relationship ended for me at age 32 as well, 5 years investe
I thought: That's it, I'm not even gonna try anymore. I stopped trying to find happiness in a relationship. I dated, but had no intention of seriousness.

Then, at my absolute nadir (laid off, lonely), love snuck into my life. We have been married now for almost eight years, and were together for four before that.

I know how you are hurting, but hang in there. It can't get any MORE painful, if that's any consolation.

If I weren't married . . . (Course I have a few years on you, too).
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:37 AM
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25. I'm sorry for all your pain, Will
Seems like it's time to stop knocking your head against the wall.

And I DO believe that "when one door closes another opens"-- but it's hell in the hallway!!
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Colin Ex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 09:52 AM
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26. Spirit Shine, dude.
Throw on your favourite record, and take it easy for a day or two, man.

You're a good person; I hope you can find some solace.

Peace.

-C
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:12 AM
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27. condolences.. realizing that you love yourself more is no shame
when one realizes that the future with a person is going to be worse than without the person, there is not much for one to do but get out.

you will always have paris, or at least southie.

hard as it is to fathom the new found sense of freedom, the horizon of your life has once again expanded dramatically. just dont be a fool and screw anything that looks at you twice... three times, well, sure, but twice? hold out if you can for that third look.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:25 AM
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28. And that is why
I like to lose myself in a nice, violent rampage on Grand Theft Auto every now and then.....ahhhhh, so therapeutic....
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:31 AM
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29. Well, hell...no one can accuse you of not trying your damndest.
At least the Pats won. </silver lining>

Sorry things didn't work out for ya - but maybe this means there's something better for you.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:36 AM
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31. Very sorry about this. You will not always feel this much pain.
It will get a little better, and a little better, and so on.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:38 AM
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32. Life's ironies
suck.

Very sorry to hear this.

Though it sounds like you are making a decision (eg in control of the situation) - in terms of coming to terms and moving on... which is perhaps a little easier to cope with than not seeing ever having an inkling the point is coming and having the other person yank the rug. Then again maybe a little rug yanking helped facilitate the decision. Regardless the whys... it still sucks. Still hurts. And still is enough to spin the world around like a gyroscope.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:45 AM
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33. After the initial mourning and you get back on your feet,
You are going to have a lot of fun. A lot. There's tons of fun awaitin you. Really.........bearfan454
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:46 AM
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34. Hang in there Will
I don't know how much I can offer other than I know where you are at. I invested 8 years with the one I felt was made for me, I was ready and willing, she was not and we moved along.

I soon felt the sand dripping out of the hourglass and "settled" so I could marry before I was 30. That was two kids and 19 loooonnnggg years ago.

Two years ago I found my "one" again online. We are both in horrible marriages and both stayed in them for the kids who are now nearly old enough for be out of the house. We have become best friends through emails, IM and an occasional platonic meeting. It is nearly time, and this time she is ready.

Life's journey has many twists and turns and intertwining paths that may or may not be for a reason, who knows? Take it as it comes, enjoy the hell out of it where and when you can but please, NEVER settle. The time will come, and the someone will come and when it does, you will know it.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:52 AM
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35. I'm sorry to hear that, Will. I'm sure it doesn't help to know that in
years to come, she will regret losing a great guy like you. Hang in there, my friend; I'm thinking a big hug and a manly chuck on the shoulder for you.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 10:56 AM
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36. That sucks, Will.
Veteran of twelve years down the hole, here, so I know where you're coming from, sorta.

It's tough. Especially when you've told other people you think it's going well -- my first marriage was one that people used to envy. Of course, they weren't alone behind the closed door with us at night, especially when things started sucking. We put up a good front.

I was also 32 when I finally realized I could never go back to it -- it was two years separated before I could bring myself to even consider seeing anybody else, and at that I felt required to tell the guys I dated that things could change. I was lying, of course -- I really knew they couldn't change, because if I'd thought they could I wouldn't have moved out. Such is life.

Hang in there, though. Even if you don't find somebody else for a while, there are worse things in life than being attractive, successful and alone. But judging from your crisis back a couple of months ago, whether you want the advice or not, I'm going to give it to you -- PACE YOURSELF, DAMMIT! Even if the structure doesn't involve a relationship, Will, pace your life so you're not running yourself to death.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:15 AM
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37. my words are inadequate
so I'll let the greats do the talking;

A DRINKING SONG (Yeats)
Wine comes in at the mouth
And love comes in at the eye;
That's all we shall know for truth
Before we grow old and die.
I lift the glass to my mouth,
I look at you, and I sigh.

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:20 AM
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38. Oh, so sorry Will
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 11:32 AM by supernova
Well, that sucks. Here's a hug. :hug:

Sometimes, love sucks. So go wallow as much as you need to. Be patient with yourself, it might take longer than you or others think. Just don't go self-destructive on us. And you can always post your heart out here on DU.

edit: I got out of a nine-year marriage to a person I thought was "the one." God, was I stupid! I finally realized he's an emotionally abusive SOB. To call him a "Jerk" would be way too kind. What finally forced me to leave after "giving my all" was the sense that he was about to turn physically violent. That and the warriorwoman in me just wouldn't take it anymore. }( I had gotten to that extreme edge where it was stay and let us kill each other slowly; or leave and have the opportunity to build a different life. I chose the latter.

I found solace in the arts: music (J Geils "Love Stinks" got played a lot.), paintings (esp Picasso's "blue period"). And of course, the gothic and the dark. I felt quite comfortable there most days for a while.

Again, :hug: :hug:

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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 11:29 AM
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40. Ah. You need have no regrets then. You made the best effort.
:hug:

You're valued here. Come on home and spend some time with the good folks who think you hung the moon. Restore your spirit a bit.

There'll be other prizes in life. You're a very young man.
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:17 PM
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41. You did what you had to do, brother.
Now all you can do is bask in the world that is.

I'm sorry for what you have to go through; but although I don't know you well, I know enough that I can say with pritnear certainty that you'll come out the other side smelling like a rose.

You did what you had to do. That's about the most important thing any of us can say about our lives.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:20 PM
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42. Will, I am sorry to hear that
There's nothing else anyone can say.

Having been there, I empathize.

We're here for you, buddy.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:33 PM
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43. Alright Will! Let's go to the Peelers and get smashed!
OOOWWWW!!

Seriously though, you did the best you could. Move on.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:39 PM
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44. What makes WilliamPitt impossible to live with?
Situations such as this call for a little introspection.

Ouch, ouch, ouch...

I know that I myself am borderline "impossible-to-live-with" and that it is only by my wife's good graces, and maybe God's good graces too, that I don't find the locks changed and my stuff thrown out onto the street.

Most of the time I am the sand in the lubricant, the sticky valve, the short circuit, the stubborn ass, and yes, yes, my wife has on many occasions called me a JERK.

I'm betting that WilliamPitt scores pretty high on the "impossible-to-live-with" scale* too so I'm not going to send him a great many sympathies, especially since his very recent "ex" probably deserves a great many more.

So here, Mr. Pitt, I acknowledge that you are hurting. I'll buy you some beer to cry in, but not so much that you throw up in my car.

*or jerk scale

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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:45 PM
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45. I lived with him for 22 years and
he's fairly easy to live with. Anyway, I don't think that was the problem with the relationship. Actually, now that I think about it, Will was a dream to live with...but then, I'm biased! :-)
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:49 PM
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46. You are such a good momma
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 01:49 PM by VelmaD
:-)

I hope hunter was trying to be funny and not mean. :-(

And my original assessment still stands...that boy of yours is a doll-baby. :-)
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:13 PM
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47. My mom says the same thing about me!
If she says it here, I'm gonna die...

My wife knows me better than my mom, and if she posts here, I'm gonna wish I was dead.

Yes, Will is wonderful. In a prickly sort of way.





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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:23 PM
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48. It's a case of finding the right "fit"
We're all impossible to live with in one way or another. I know I am. It becomes a case of finding a mate who can deal with your particular brand of impossibletolivewithhimness. How otherwise could my habits drive my ex to distraction but be no bother to my current s/o?
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:38 PM
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51. Who are you to judge hunter...
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 02:41 PM by Crewleader
I'm betting that WilliamPitt scores pretty high on the "impossible-to-live-" scale ...

William posted his feelings of happiness a week ago to his friends and now he wanted them to know what has happened ....it isn't us to judge what happened or why between them but to give support to our friend, as so many have done in this thread.

William, don't let this guy upset ya, we've talked their are many out there like him but not nearly close to the amount of friends that love you.

Besides with a great post to your credit, from Mom, who everyone knows here, does speak her mind and let's the cards fall where they may... wouldn't say anything other then the truth.

Here's another truth, you are 32 and your life is just starting. It's the greatest age to be at...and you are smart and you got everything going for you and this hurt you feel now will go away.

William, you have family and friends that are there for you and thanks for reaching out to us.
And here's my hug of healing! :hug:



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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:34 PM
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65. Oh my...
I love Will, I really do...

I did read his "happy" post, and I may or may not have inside information. It doesn't matter, I try not to gossip.

Maybe it was Will's "EJECT" analogy that ticked me off. One hopes that both parties got off the plane safely. He didn't say so.

Myself, I have some very serious scars from crash and burn relationships...

A long time ago I hit the "EJECT" button on a relationship that exploded somewhere over Riverside, California. My parachute fouled and I fell quickly to earth, directly into the raging brushfire lit by the crashed plane. I remember my ex waving at me sweetly from above as she drifted gently away into the waiting arms of her One True Love.

I didn't find my own True Love until much later, after I'd hiked through many burnt wastelands, and picked all the shrapnel out of my butt.

I applaud everyone here who volunteers to pick shrapnel out of Will's butt. It is good to have such close friends.

I had to use a mirror. :evilgrin:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:54 PM
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53. It does call for introspection, just not the introspection you speculate
about.
I won't say more as that would violate Will's confidence, but he is a prize and needs to get underneath why he would grieve a situation in which he is being treated poorly.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:06 PM
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54. Heck, NSMA...
we all probably need to "get underneath" that. If you and I could figure out why people grieve (or stay in) situations where they are being treated poorly - we could write a book and go on Oprah then get our own talk show and make a fortune. :-)
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:31 PM
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55. I think I can tell you how this kind of thing works.
First, you fall in love with a very wonderful woman. Then you spend almost 8 years together (that's longer than my marriage!). As I observed the relationship over the years, I saw many things that I thought made the two a "perfect couple". I grew to love her as I would a daughter. Unfortunately, sometimes there is that one thing that is, or becomes broken, and no matter how wonderful everything else is, that one thing is a killer. You keep trying to fix it and it just won't get fixed. Ultimately, you make a decision, a heartbreaking one but probably the right one under the circumstances. Regardless, it's very, very sad.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:42 PM
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57. I know what you mean Raven.
I was with my ex for 10 years and things were "wonderful" sometimes. But we just couldn't get it together. We had some basic differences in personality and philosophy on life that brought us together and pulled us apart at the same time.

I know most everyone is focusing on Will and his loss and he deserves all the sympathy and hugs in the world. But here's one for you too :hug: on losing someone you loved like a daughter.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:46 PM
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59. Thanks Velma.
You are one very, very nice person. :-)
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:50 PM
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60. Shhh...don't tell anyone.
I have a reputation to uphold ya know. ;-)

Seriously. Thank you. Coming from you that's high praise. :-)
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:44 PM
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58. True,
You can't be anyone else's fixer upper. Pretty soon they want more and more and more and more.... *sigh* until you have nothing left to give.

Unfortunately it takes some of us several years to recognize the pattern. But luckily we do. And freedom and hope return. :D
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:31 PM
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49. So sorry sweetie!
I'll tell you, I went through a half dozen promising relationships, including one engagement that fizzled when the dude freaked out on me, before I found that person I could even fathom spending the long haul with. Didn't get married until 35. So hang in there, the right one will come along, when you least expect it.

You're a good man to give it your all after all that happened. You will be a gift to whoever you ultimate chose.

:loveya:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 05:37 PM
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67. I'LL KICK HIS ASS FOR YOU!
lemme at him! that BASTARD!!

i would NEVER do that to you baby!!

x*
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 06:18 PM
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68. If only you knew!
He cheated on me and then slugged me (one time and one time only), all because I didn't want to live in the same city that he did. I told him he better get his ass out my door or he'd have the police cuffing him up.

Years later he called me up and begged me to talk to him and at that point told me he always regretted "letting me go". What an ass!
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:37 PM
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50. Please accept my condolences and/or congratulations
I know very little of the story, but your post last week reeked of "Sure, she screwed me over before, but she's changed!" and I thought "Uh oh". Harmful people don't usually change. Sorry you couldn't beat the odds.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:42 PM
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52. If you hadn't tried, you'd never have known.
And now you know. Learn from the pain, but don't carry it any longer than need be.

Walk on. :toast:



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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:38 PM
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56. This may not help right now..
But at least now you know for sure and can truly move on with your life. I wasted too much time on someone and regret it now..

It'll still hurt but you know we're all here for you.

Here's hoping you find that right woman for you!! :hug:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:51 PM
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61. From what I heard, you got jerked around
Let it go. Usually this stuff hurts most if you have no prospects out there. Well, just let it go and it will come. The Tao of dating: he who does not compete has no competition. Eh? Ehhhhh?! Yes.

:)
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:52 PM
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62. I spent 7 years with my first really serious boyfriend
and the breakup of that relationship changed everything in my life. It was a cataclysmic upheaval of everything I did, was, thought...it even changed what I ate and what I wore. There will always be at least the vestigial memory of love; I don't think you throw away seven years of love with no residual effect unless things were really bad. For us, we just literally grew into different people, people who were no longer meant to be with one another.

With the hindsight of nearly 20 years now (!!! jebus, when did I get so freaking old!!!) I can say without qualification that both of us are better off. We're both very happily married to the right person now. Victor has three kids, last I heard (kids were very important to him), and I, thankfully, do not (not having kids was and is very important to me).

Will, it sounds like trite happy horseshit, but time does heal. Allow yourself to grieve - the death of a long-term relationship is, in a way, the death of a beloved person - the combined "us" that the two of you comprised.

...and sometimes life's curveballs come right back around and surprise the hell out of you when you least expect it...so rule out nothing.

Peace to you, brother Will.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:13 PM
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63. Will, it's more like "want to eat your words? Tell it to DU"
Damnation, I'm sorry. What is it about the age of 32 anyway? At that age I came *this* close to marrying my then-boyfriend, then had a wretched, messy breakup.

I can think of a few small positives:

Your DU groupies feel a new glimmer of hope.

You can move to New York and build a Harley from scratch in your room at the Chelsea Hotel. Be sure to take it down the elevator and ride it out.

There's only one direction the situation can go from here---up.

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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:22 PM
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64. It was 31 for me
I guess there's just something about the early 30s. It's make or break time for relationships. You've got a lot of time and energy invested inby that point and you either get it together or get out so you can meet someone else while there's still time.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 07:06 PM
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73. The early 30's thing
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 07:07 PM by populistmom
(I'm 31, turning 32 next month.)
So you mean I'm not a freak for re-evaluating my entire life? Sometimes it feels like it, but it does seem like so many people go through it (and it seems like it could be a tad worse for women). The best way I can figure it out is that you've finally gotten over most of the childhood garbage and insecurities which still haunts you in your 20's, but you're young enough to still make changes. I feel more at peace with myself than I ever have and in some ways things have never been more chaotic either. I do things I used to be too scared to do and think about doing things I never would have considered.
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cade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 05:34 PM
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66. if she's really nasty, you'd best cover your ass
things like bank accounts and financial matters, car ownership, and whose name the house is in and credit cards can turn a messy ordeal into an absolute horror story. I've known people who were breaking up and deliberately ran up bills on joint accounts, junked the titles of cars if it looked like the ex might get it, or just ran it into something. Also, sold things that the soon to be ex owned ( and didn't have the presence of mind to put somewhere where said items would be safeguarded ).
Some people can be exceptionally nasty when leaving, especially if they aren't real mature personalities to begin with. Just watch your back and be careful not to do anything legally punishable. Calling your parents to get you out of jail ( after you reach 20 something ) isn't a proud moment in most people's personal history.
Just be careful, read some old books and try not to think too much.
I'm 32, been in a relationship for 16 years, walked out once for about a year, but still saw each other damn near daily. Eventually gave up and moved back together. Some people need space - others just need therapy.

Some just can't hang with things that don't change. Stability isn't their thing, a couple of years in this town, a few years at a job and they meltdown. Self-destruct when shit seems too good. Self sabotaging behavior.
Love can make you blind, you don't see the train wreck coming and it's all you can do to find the exit door through the smoke.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 06:43 PM
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69. Will, you have been through alot of changes and she just couldn't
keep up..or handle all the changes. You have to grow and if someone is not willing to grow with you or tries to hold your growth back then they need to be shed...I know that sounds cruel but it is just a fact of life. Your old books, your old clothes, your old life, if she is not willing to move forward, unfortunately she needs to be included in the shedding of old ways.

Will you have come so far. I am sure you are having the same feelings you had when you went from teaching to writing, but as with those fears and trepidations...time will prove you correct in whatever you decide.

Good Luck Will. I do not post much, but I read all you write.. and purchase your books.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 06:44 PM
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70. Sorry, Will
I am recently single again too... just before the holidays. Hang in there. I haven't been here long, but you seem like a really good guy. Someone out there will be lucky to have you.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 06:48 PM
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71. You're better off to know now
that this relationship won't work. I know it's cold comfort right now, but in the future you will look back and see that you were saved a lot of anquish in the long run.

My first broken heart happened in my early twenties, but my heart throb was a jerk and I truly feel sorry for the woman he married and what he has put her and their children through.

Blessings come in strange ways sometimes.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 06:54 PM
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72. I ended a 20-year on-and-off relationship two weeks ago.
We met when I was 21; I'm 41 now and for the first time ever I feel that not only can I live without him, I actually live better without him.

Best wishes to you, Will.
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