Pick any 19 Star Trek episodes, from whatever series you want...they suck compared to Firefly

[MrCoffee]

No flames, please.

[Marrah_G]

1. I'm sorry I have to ignore you now.....

BLASPHEMER!

[MrCoffee]

7. Mal Reynolds could whoop the ass of any Trek captain

and you know it, in your heart of hearts, to be true.

[DS1]

2. And just like Firefly, the first movie SUCKED

:D

[Deep13]

23. I aim to misbehave. nt

[sarge43]

24. May have been the losing side,

still not convinced it was the wrong one.

[Deep13]

25. Now, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with. nt

[sarge43]

26. No. They're not going to see this coming. n/t

[Deep13]

35. Yep, that went well. nt

[sarge43]

37. I can't top that one.

That has to be one of the greatest openings for a story - ever. :rofl:

[DarkTirade]

41. Not to mention a fairly nice rear view. :P

[Captain Hilts]

60. They chose the same title as a garment for the incontinent. nt

[flvegan]

3. What's Firefly?

[MissMillie]

8. exactly!

:thumbsup:

[NewJeffCT]

10. zing

good one.

[quip]

12. Alias Smith & Jones meets Star Trek

Or something like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series)

Very funny, and touching at times.

[Captain Hilts]

61. BRILLIANT analogy! nt

[Dr. Strange]

4. Sadly, I still haven't seen Firefly.

Or Torchwood for that matter. So much tv to catch up on.

[Swede]

5. Apples and oranges,Mr.Coffee.

They both are tasty.

[TZ]

6. Hmm I would debate you

But I have nothing to compare all the Trek episodes to (seen everything but Enterprise) never having watched firefly..
However..:popcorn:
For the brewing geek war....

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Pfft!

[hunter]

11. Firefly was great.

But they really lost the flavor of it in the movie.

[MrCoffee]

18. yeah...Serenity wasn't all that

Wrath of Khan might be slightly better...but just slightly.

[Mythsaje]

52. Serenity was great.

"I don't WANT to explode."

Didn't miss a beat.

[racaulk]

13. And yet, Firefly was cancelled after only one season.

But all *five* of the Star Trek series lasted for a minimum of three seasons each.

Hmmm...

[DarkTirade]

15. And yet, for several years straight Fox kept cancelling good shows left and right

because they didn't know how to advertise the interesting ones properly, and they kept moving their time slots around so the few people who'd managed to catch an episode and decide that they liked it weren't able to FIND the show again.

[racaulk]

16. OK, I'll agree with you on that.

Fox also had gold with Family Guy and Futurama, but did the exact same thing to those shows. They kept moving Family Guy's night and time slot, and Futurama seemed to always be preempted by Sunday night football. Fox does have a history of not recognizing good shows when they have them, while dumping tons of advertising dollars on the crappy shows.

However, I still don't think Firefly holds a candle to Star Trek. I'm not conceding on that. :)

[DarkTirade]

22. They're apples and oranges.

It's like comparing Star Wars and Star Trek. All three involve technology and space travel... but they're all in different genres. Trek is sci-fi, Wars is fantasy, and Firefly is a western.

And there were several other shows Fox did that too at the time too, but since I didn't get a chance to catch hardly any of them, I don't know which ones were good... :P The only one I know of offhand other than those that I thought had potential was Greg the Bunny.

[MrCoffee]

17. thank you! don't blame Firefly for Fox's sins.

look at what the Browncoat's did to keep it on the air. Fox screwed the pooch on that one, just like ABC did when they cancelled My So-Called Life after 1 season.

[sarge43]

27. Yup. Faux could have had another Trek had it let Firefly live. n/t

[quip]

14. Doood. Firefly rawked, but comparing it to the Franchise™.... is it wise?

:shrug:

[IndianaJones]

19. is that a BBC show? nt.

[MrCoffee]

20. i wish...the BBC would have recognized a good thing when they saw it.

then maybe we'd have more than 19 eps

[IndianaJones]

21. I have every episode DVR'd and the movie is the best sci-fi since 5th Element. nt.

[laconicsax]

28. Firefly was entertaining, but has premise holes.

They use Mandarin and talk about a Sino-American alliance, but there are no Asian characters in the entire series.
It's set in the 26th century, but is an actual western, complete with slang, culture, and weapons from 700 years in the past.
It's a single solar-system, but with hundreds of planets what should be a very narrow habitable zone.
There is no reason given for the Browncoats' opposition to the Alliance, they're just opposed to it. Even George Lucas was smart enough to label the bad guys 'evil' in the first minute of Star Wars.

Star Trek was actual sci-fi--it told stories and discussed current issues through the lens of future and alien societies.
Firefly wasn't really sci-fi--it was a western that was set in space.

[sarge43]

29. The Alliance was shown to be evil

If River were typical, it took children and turned them into empathic killing machines, War Stories. The episode Ariel made it very clear that it was fundamentally ruthless and amoral. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any indication that it was set in a single solar system. My impression was humanity inhabited a section of the galactic arm. There were Asians, but only in the background. That was a major flaw. As for Firefly basic theme, I believe it was about power, uses and misuses.

I believe Whedon wanted the series to be the anti-Trek. If humanity did move into interstellar space, it wasn't going to be a brave new universe filled with magic machines and techno-babble, but what human frontiers have usually been - low tech and hard scrabble.

FWIW

[Deja Q]

30. And Whedon saw "Blake's 7" as a big source of inspiration...

B7, in 1980,was heralded as an "anti-Trek" too. :)

[sarge43]

33. For reasons too sordid to go into, I missed it completely.

However, it should be out on DVD soon, so another one for the netflix queue.

I see what you mean about Whedon being inspired by it. Thanks for the heads up.

[laconicsax]

39. You have a point

The issue I took with the whole Alliance vs Browncoats war was that there's no reason given for it--the most they say is that the central planets formed the Alliance and tried to get the rest of the system to join. Those who didn't want to fought against it, but there's never any reason given for why they were against it or even what made them oppose the Alliance in the first place.

They were most certainly within a single system. There was no faster-than-light travel, just fast sub-light propulsion, which limits how far you can go. To top that off, it was explicitly stated in the opening narration that after leaving Earth, 'they' found a solar system and "hundreds of new earths were terraformed..." That got changed to "terraformed a whole new galaxy of earths" in later episodes, but the fact remains, they didn't use any kind of faster-than-light propulsion and even if they could travel at the speed of light, a trip between systems would take years.

Whedon's intention aside, I find it remarkably difficult to believe that a society advanced enough to construct large generational ships designed to set out to find new habitable worlds, advanced enough to terraform a planet or moon, and 500 years in the future would somehow revert to 19th century culture and language, and only some technology--a bar can have holographic windows, no other similarly advanced technology exists anywhere else on that planet.

[DarkTirade]

42. They were defending their right to be free.

Wars have been fought over that many a time in the past. And in this case, Whedon drew a lot of inspiration from our own civil war.

The single solar system thing WAS a bit silly IMO. Although from what I gathered there were only 50 or so planets. :)

[laconicsax]

46. Free from what?

Free from a central government? Free from plaque and the condition known as {gingivitis}? They keep whining about how the Alliance doesn't help the outer planets, in essence leaving them to fend for themselves. How is their predicament any different then how the outer planets were left to fend for themselves without Alliance rule? Seems to me that they're no worse off under the Alliance than they would be without it, meaning that a war was fought and people died for essentially nothing. Furthermore, how did their basic 'freedom' change after unification? Please tell me I'm missing something!

Whedon's concept was a good one--'what happens to the people who lose the war?' The execution, however entertaining, ended up missing the cohesion train on several occasions.

[DarkTirade]

47. Free from a rule that they didn't choose.

Same thing that's been done twice in our country's history so far.

[Deep13]

57. "Firefly wasn't really sci-fi--it was a western that was set in space."

Bingo. That was the premise.

[Orsino]

31. I'll have to take your word for it.

Not gonna see it unless I find a good used copy someday.

Fox can't have my money.

[TreasonousBastard]

32. Only because I can't find 19 Treks with a hooker as..

a lead character.

[MrCoffee]

34. no, no you can't

score one for Firefly

[Yavin4]

36. May Be The Most Underrated Hot Chick In Hollywood

Kaylee was smoking hot.

[DarkTirade]

43. I was always more of a River fan.

But then again I tend to go for the crazy ones. :)

[quip]

49. Then you will be pleased to learn of her role in The Sara Connor Chronicles

She plays a quirky character in it as well (Quirky? Okay, a terminator) :P

[DarkTirade]

56. Yeah, I saw the pilot

and I found the second and third episodes. Gonna watch 'em when I get a chance.

[Frank Cannon]

54. ALL the women on Firefly were hawt

My wife thinks all the guys were, too.

[DarkTirade]

55. Yes, most of them were in their own way.

Hell, even some of the single-episode characters were hot... the scenes between Mal and Nandi were amazing.

[MrCoffee]

62. ...I'll be in my bunk.

[nemo137]

67. Fact!

True story, end of discussion, etc.

[tigereye]

38. I liked what I saw of Firefly, but I didn't see the same complexity

now Babylon 5, that's another matter.

[DarkTirade]

44. Unfortunately the aforementioned complexity of B5 was probably one of the main reasons

it never got as popular as it could have. You had to be able to keep track of a dozen things at once to be able to follow that show. And for those of us who came in halfway through it was a bit hard to catch up. If I hadn't had a friend who'd watched it from the beginning to explain the bits that I missed, I never would have been able to keep up with it.

[kentauros]

58. Go rent/buy the DVD sets

It's worth taking a few weeks to watch them all back-to-back. Then watch the movies. Then watch Crusade :D
(Unlike most fans of the series, I loved the soundtrack to Crusade.) Oh, and now there's the "Lost Tales" :)

I tried to watch, even like, Firefly. I was turned off by all the one-liners. But that's fine if y'all like it. I only watch Stargate: Atlantis, Torchwood, Doctor Who and Battlestar Galactica for sci-fi. (Pretty much for any TV anymore.)

[DarkTirade]

59. I didn't get into Battlestar Galactica

because it kept coming on at times when I couldn't see it. :P

Same with the last few seasons of Stargate and the first season or two of Stargate: Atlantis.

[tigereye]

63. it's worth getting hold of all the episodes and watching them

straight through. There were a few we had missed when we first saw it, and seeing all of it made it make more sense.

Great story lines.

[mainegreen]

40. This is true. Firefly was genius.

Those who chose to cancel it are dicks.

[stuntcat]

45. but but

I only like Star Trek for the sheer camp of it, the ridiculous sets and every episode Kirk making out with an alien hottie!

[Cabcere]

48. Hahahaha...that picture cracks me up every time

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

My dad has an entire floor-to-ceiling bookcase containing Star Trek books from just about every series, spinoff, etc., so while I didn't see many episodes of the original series, I've read some of the books. :shrug: Yeah, I'm a nerd. :P

[dorkulon]

50. Battlestar Galactica, mofos

Best sci-fi series EVAH.

[Mythsaje]

51. Firefly was the best sci-fi series ever.

Hmm. I think it's about time I broke out my DVDs and watched it again.

[The Animator]

53. If I had to choose between The Enterprise and Serenity...

Yup I'd still vote for the Millennium Falcon.

[DarkTirade]

64. Now that's a transport ship with some GUNS on it. :)

[Robeson]

65. Hell has a special corner for you.....

...:P

[yandorboy]

66. mmm n/t