What the heck is up with the Grammys?

[anti-NAFTA]

Does anyone take this awards show seriously? How can you when they give best metal performance to Metallica for St. Anger, universally recognized as a new low in their career? Or how about Christina Aguilera and Justin Timberlake winning awards when they're nothing but good looking kids with good production on their side? Even Album of the Year is a joke because no one even ****ing listens to Outkast to begin with.

The Grammys seriously suck.

[KissMyAsscroft]

1. No one listens to Outkast?

You cant be serious...

I agree about Metallica, that is just sad...

But its an award show which is just a happy, ass grabbing, circle jerk of professional industry jerk offs....it isnt indicative of anything...

[b-ballgurl]

32. oh ya

outkast rocks :yourock: :hippie:
do u listen to hip-hop?

[SeveneightyWhoa]

2. No one even listens to Outkast?

What the hell are you talking about?
Your rant seriously sucks.

[anti-NAFTA]

3. No. No one listens to that annoying group.

I am a senior in a high school that is mostly black, which means that I hear all sorts of rap music being played from loud headphones and from cars with amazing bass systems. I have never heard nor know of anyone there who listens to Outkast. It must be some upper-class, Republican-pushed thing to get kids to stop listening to "that hip hop stuff" as Bill O'Reilly puts it.

[kitkatrose]

6. Well, I go to an HBCU, and plenty of people listen to Outkast.

Plus, Christina may have an image problem, but she has an incredible voice.

[no_arbusto]

31. That's like that new restaurant down the street from me.

NO ONE goes there anymore. It's too crowded.

[mitchum]

34. I teach in a high school that is mostly black and those kids...

CERTAINLY listen to Outkast. And so do I. "The Love Below" and some relaxant are on the agenda for tonight.

8 million copies and no one listens to them...

[b-ballgurl]

33. excuse me?

i guess u don't like suspenders!!!!! :spank:

[DenverDem]

4. NARAS totally sucks.

The recording industry's war against its customers over digital music transfer is so counterproductive they deserve to sink into the economic tar pits, as they will unless they move toward the iTunes business model quickly.

BTW, have you checked Outcast's sales numbers? Somebody is listening.

Justin winning Male Vocal over George Harrison and Warren Zevon is pretty much the defining indictment of the validity of the awards.

I just watch for the performances. The Prince/Beyonce duo was pretty spectacular to me, but I'm an old school Price fan since "Soft and Wet".

[anti-NAFTA]

7. Outkast is crap.

Once upon a time rap music conveyed a political message (e.g. Public Enemy), but now it's just commercial trash because the repukelican record labels wouldn't have any of it.

[DenverDem]

11. Did you see the Black Eyed Peas' performance?

They have a message AND a song with a killer hook.

[anti-NAFTA]

17. 'Where is the Love' is annoying though

With Justin Timberlake on chorus. It sounds sickeningly poppy and cloying. I can't say I appreciate them too much.

[DenverDem]

42. How about Rage Against the Machine?

Too bad they broke up, I really liked them.

Are they issue oriented enough for you? I'm just trying to find your acceptability threshold.

[elfwitch]

14. and LONG long before that...

People made rap just for fun.
It was just another way of expressing music.
Gangsta rap and other sorts that shove the message down your throat runied it for most people.
For a while it was something that just about anyone could enjoy if they were so inclined.
The "message" rap made it less possible to enjoy.

[no_arbusto]

29. Outkast has been around for 10+ years.

If you honestly believe that none of their songs convey a social or political message, you're a fool.

[DrWeird]

38. Yeah, Outkast isn't political at all.

"War"
Now get the fuck up off me nigga..


As I, struggle to keep my balance and composure
I'm 'posed ta, propose a toast to players on every coast-a
The lyrical roller coaster, mind-bender
'Stead of watchin these sucker MC's
I'm seein just how they lyin to the general population
Don't be patient, get up and stand up for your life
Don't you agree or understand we lost some rights at 1-1-9?
Come dumb, come young, come blind unwind confined
to the situation, we facin, cause in time, tick tick boom


Tick, boom.. tick, tick-boom
Tick, boom.. tick, tick-boom
Tick, boom.. tick, tick-boom
Tick, boom.. tick, tick-boom





When will we all, awake up out this dream
Come here and smell the Folgers, the soldiers are human beings
Man actin as if he was the supreme bein
Clockin the souls of men out like he was G-O-D and
W-A-Rrah, there'll be no tomorrow but sorrow
and horror will follow the hollow hearts battle for dollars
Politicians, modern day magicians
Physicians of death, more health care for poor health
Who makin us ill, they makin us kill
That's makin me spill my guts (chill Big, lay in the cut)
For what? I refuse to sit in the backseat and get handled
Like I do nuttin all day but sit around watch the Cartoon Channel
I rap about, the Presidential election and the scandal
that followed, and we all watched the nation, as it swallowed
and chalked it up, basically America you got FUCKED
The media shucked and jived now we stuck - damn!





Operation Anaconda - ask yourself
was it full of bleeps and blunders, did they ever find Osama?
And why in the fuck did Daniel Pearl have to pay the price
for his life and his wife plead twice?
See Al-Amin got life and Fred got dead, Hampton
To dampen the dream of all the Panthers
They got they answer for ransom
As we read together, as we dream together
Count your blessings whenever you feel that things won't be no better
But it got to, you gave me this microphone so I must rock you
Your brainwaves, airwaves, energized and SHOCKED you
Y'all got me, well I got y'all, long as I know y'all listenin
I'ma always bring food for thought to the table in the kitchen
Now eat nigga!


Maybe if you had listened to any rap since Public Enemy you'd know better.

[Terwilliger]

41. I disagree almost totally

There is a LOT of activist hip-hop, and Outkast are the vanguard of a new era in rap history.

[Alenne]

5. The Grammys is for people who like popular music.

If you don't like pop music it probably isn't the show for you.

[HFishbine]

8. Christina Aguilera

Nothing but good looking with good production? I might have agreed with you a year or two ago, but that girl is really coming into her own. Her vocal technique just gets better and better.

[KT2000]

9. Celebrities - Sick of them all!

I was just pondering this morning the possible collective IQ of Grammy winners. The only shocking thing to come out of this bunch is their obsession with breasts.

I am old - music had a golden era when people rallied around political lyrics and good musicians. We took a stand on things and wouldn't you know - things did change. An unpopular war was stopped and Civil Rights were enshrined in law.

[anti-NAFTA]

10. Amen.

I couldn't agree more.

[BlueJazz]

23. I agree also

There was a time in our musical history when Popular music was great and Great music was popular.
Now it seems to be "All Show and No Go"

[beyurslf]

12. I agree the grammy's suck but for reasons other than your own

Christina may have an odd image (to be nice) but she has a killer voice. She's no Brittany (all looks and no talent).

The kicker for me was the life time achievement awards. How many did they give? 10? 15? We kept joking around that soon they would be giving those out to last year's new artist winner. Release 2 cds? Get a life time achievement award. Have a top 10 hit? Lifetime achievement award. Show a tit? Sorry, we can't even say your name. Sad sad sad, indeed.

[CanuckAmok]

13. Hey, the only reason Metallica won is because Jethro Tull weren't eligible

n/t

[amazona]

15. the grammies were never of any significance

Think about it. It took like, 30 years, for Dylan to get a Grammy? I think we can hazard a guess that Dylan made more of a contribution to popular music and how it is performed than, say, Justin Timberlake?

People like Christopher Cross or Beyonce getting the Grammy is par for the course. It is not an award for "best" music. It is an award for most commercial trash and is best ignored if you actually like music because it is guaranteed to disgust the thinking person.

[holeinboatoutatsea]

28. here here

or hear hear

I think you have it in a nutshell. I like to think I'm a thinking person, but may have to think about it some more to be certain.
:)

[Deja Q]

16. Timberlake has a really odd singing voice...

I don't know how quite to describe his voice. But it's got a very puny, prissy, wussy, "I'm an unweaned baby" sound to it. No wonder he ripped off Janet Jackson's shirt at the Super Bowl... :eyes: Sheesh, even the Americal Idol singers, who all sing in the same trite tone, sound better... I can't believe he won an award at all.

[Kamika]

18. well all music sucks..

They just took the least suckiest music I guess

[brainwashed_youth]

19. what the hell

Hey Ya was the most played song of 2003, Speakerboxx/Love Below has sold over 3 million copies, and Outkast is one of the most critically praised bands in a long time. No offense, but I seriously think u've been watching O'Reilly 2 much.


p.s. I still can't believe you said no one listens to Outkast. Do you live under a rock or something

[anti-NAFTA]

20. Jesus, slow down a bit there

I didn't mean literally no one listens to it. I meant that they deserve to have no one listen to it. It was a subjective statement masquerading as an objective hyperbolic fact.

Outkast sucks. O'Reilly is promoting their type of rap because it's politically correct for WASP ears. There is no controversial image or message in it. Hell give me 2Pac's "bitches, drugs, and hos" over this new PC crap. At least "gangsta" rap is socially relevant, not fucking bar-mitzvah music.

[Kamika]

21. gangsta rap..

There is alot of political and good rap but it doesn't have hoes and bitches.. mtv rap that has that

[b-ballgurl]

35. huh

MTV doesn't play rap
u have to watch BET for that

[brainwashed_youth]

22. what?

When the hell have you ever heard O'Reilly promote Outkast, much less rap in general? I watch O'Reilly just about every night and I have never heard him say anything good about rap.

[anti-NAFTA]

24. he wants rap to be clean

look i'm not a rap listener. You probably know more about this than I do. I'm a guitarist and more into rock 'n roll than rap. I surrender. You win.

[BlueJazz]

26. What !!...How dare.....

you learn more than one chord!
As a musician, I've had people tell me "Well, Rap is hard to play"
I usually just look at them like they crawled out from under a rock. :)

[Shakespeare]

27. Do you have even the remotest clue what you're talking about?

Outkast has a parental advisory sticker on their CD....it ain't clean, anti-nafta. And O'Reilly has never, and will never, promote them or any band like them.

And your lame attempt to back off of your Outkast comment is contradicted by your own words:

"no one even ****ing listens to Outkast to begin with."

That's hardly the same as saying nobody should listen to Outkast.

I really don't understand your vitriol over the group--they're quite good, and the album is intelligently done (bordering on being a "concept" album). Hell, they even have a few politically oriented tunes where they take shots at Bush.

[DrWeird]

36. What the fuck? What kind of bull shit is this?

Apparently the only person not listening the Outkast is you. If Rosa fucking Parks is going to infringe on your Constitutional rights you know you're pushing the god damn envelope.

"Da Art of Storytellin' (Part 2)"


Yea yea yea yeah yah yo
Baby did you hear that yea baby I heard it too
Look out the window golly the sky is electric blue
Mamma Earth is dyin and cryin because of you
Rainin cats and jackles all shackles disintegrate, to residue
Silly mortals haven't a clue
as to what the fuck is goin on
I'm on the telephone, dialin the Dungeon
"Hello?" This Dre, bring the MP and the SP
Meet me at the center of the earth and travel carefully
Baby grab the baby cause baby it ain't much time
Mamma Earth is tossin and turnin and that's our sign
Omega Nigga IFO's are landin in Decatur
Hope I'm not over your head but if so you will catch on later
Play the track, guess she could not take it anymo'
Rapin her heavenly body like a hoe, coochie so'
from niggaz constantly fuckin her never lovin her never showin
appreciation bustin nuts in her face when they done


The sky is fallin nobody ballin they done gave back they guns
for some tickets to the playoffs but the Hornets they won
Nigga we SLUM, kept all the guns, I gotta protect my family
I drove the biggest thing at the house
cause I knew they'd try to ram me, but I'm stabbing
Makin a path on expressways, the best way I know how
Up in the sky, East-West, no clouds
Him comin now, fuck that money now, I ask my honey how
she feeling and is Jordan okay, yeah yeah she's chillin
We should be in the Dungeon shortly
Ain't nobody on they porch see
Approachin the final exit
I'm thinkin I see four horsies but I don't though
Nigga you WON'T know, until it's on ya
I put that on my dope boys from A-Town to California
All the weed smell like ammonia
but at the Dungeon I know they smokin
Writin the raps and doin the beats to make this last recording
Fuck abortion, I got in the booth to run the final portion
The beat was very dirty and the vocals had distor-TION


All's well, nothing's well

[anti-NAFTA]

37. Yeah pure poetry. The next Byron.

*sigh*

[DrWeird]

39. "bitches, drugs, and hos"

That's what you wanted, isn't it?

Now can you tell me what that song is about?

[DrWeird]

40. Meanwhile...

here's the best that heavy metal had to offer us this year:

"St. Anger"
St. Anger 'round my neck
St. Anger 'round my neck
He never gets respect
St. Anger 'round my neck

You flush it out, you flush it out
St. Anger 'round my neck
St. Anger 'round my neck
You flush it out, you flush it out
He never gets respect

Fuck it all and no regrets
I hit the lights on these dark sets
I need a voice to let myself
To let myself go free
Fuck it all and fuckin' no regrets
I hit the lights on these dark sets
Medallion noose, I hang myself
St. Anger 'round my neck

I feel my world shake
Like an earth quake
It's hard to see clear
Is it me? Is it fear?

I'm madly in anger with you

And I want my anger to be healthy
And I want my anger just for me
And I need my anger not to control
And I want my anger to be me

And I need to set my anger free

Set it free


Compare and contrast.

[proud patriot]

25. Yep that pissed me off too

Much better metal came out this last year ...

"St Anger" SUCKED

[Edge]

30. All star-studded awards shows sucks.

When one of them wins a Nobel or Pulitzer, give me a call.