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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:08 PM
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So, Lounge. What would you do? (Long story...gotta get this outta my system)
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 05:24 PM by Whoa_Nelly
OK...The basics of this story...

Sharing a motel room with a friend,(am calling her S. here), her daughter, daughter's 6-month old baby (S.'s grandson.) We're at a motel for an extended family wedding...too complex to explain, but we're all related to the bride by time, experience, and circumstances that go back over 30 years.

The wedding took place up in the mountains up a very winding road, no crash barriers, all along a beautiful dammed lake.

Anyway, daughter is the Maid of Honor. Bride invited her biological dad to the wedding, even though she had only seen him a couple of times in the past two years after he was released from a long stint in prison. The bio dad is also a raging alcoholic. Manages to show up at the wedding even after being dumped by family members who were supposed to bring him because he wanted to stay at a bar he made them stop at for a few more drinks, and had been rather ugly toward them: He was already super-drunk and being a nasty and foul-mouthed asshole. At the outdoor wedding reception, he takes time to rage at anyone he happens upon...I was personally verbally assaulted by the creep simply by being in proximity to the cousins who had tried to leave him behind before the wedding. This was the first time I had ever seen the guy..I didn't bother to get introduced...definitely something I wanted to stay away from.

All during the day before the early evening wedding, S. and I babysat her grandson since her daughter was with the bride-to-be prior to the weding...no problem...he's a cutie.

S.'s daughter gets roaring drunk after the wedding. S. gets pretty tipsy, too...open bar free-for all. I don't get drunk since someone had to look after the baby. However, I do have another member of the bride's family who was not drinking watch him for a few while I go get S.'s daughter out from under a park bench where she has pretty much turned to liquid booze. With help pf some other friends there, we get her into a bed at the inn where the wedding had taken place. I even help her into the bathroom to toss her cookies...she's totally blasted.

The wedding party had provided transportation to and from the motel with a hired shuttle bus. S., baby and I had taken the shuttle to the inn, so we took it back to the motel about 11 PM. We assumed that her drunk daughter would be staying at the inn up the road, but shortly after we returned to the motel, someone had brought her on down the road, and literally poured her into the motel room. The baby was asleep, but she grabbed him up anyway, had him screaming and crying because she wanted to let him know his mommy had missed him, she loved him so much, and more just drunk gushing. She almost dropped him as she was tossing him around. I took the baby from her, her mom talked her into getting out of her clothes and into bed, and I got him a bottle that was already made. Pretty quickly everything settled down.

S. and I go outside for a few minutes for a smoke. She says she's going to go party with the other wedding party members staying at the motel, and I said I was going to go to bed. I went inside, was tired, and fell asleep pretty quickly. Next thing I know, the baby is screaming like it's being hurt--he had woken up and wanted another bottle. I look at the clock...it's just after 1 AM. The daughter is not waking up...she's totally passed out and oblivious. She's lying on top of the bed in just her underwear and bra. I go get the baby, and, in a sleepy stupor (and myopic, too...am near-sighted) am trying to think if there's another bottle somewhere.

All of a sudden, from the partition side of the room, some guy steps out wearing nothing but a pair of half-zipped jeans. He's telling me to make the baby shut up. I am pissed, all the while alarm bells and sirens are screaming inside my head.
(I always get mad before I get scared..life-long reflex with me.)

"Who the hell are you?!??", I yell at him. He then says, "Give me the baby." I tell him to shut the fuck up. At first I think it's the daughter's (baby's dad) meth-head boyfriend. Then I realize it's the bride's bio dad. I shake the daughter for about two minutes..baby is still screaming...I want to know how many scoops of formula to make a bottle...she cracks her eye open, says, "Four scoops," and passes out again. Meanwhile, the asshole bio dad, is on the room's couch lying down...he's also obviously wasted, but also just as clearly a fucking asshole for having yelled at me. I am now very pissed off.

I make a bottle, zap it in the wave, get the baby settled down by his mother, then turn on the asswipe. He looks at me, then gets up to walk by me to use the bathroom. I say, "What room is S. in?" (I'm being tough..I don't know this guy from shit, had only first ever encountered him at the wedding.) He replies, "This is S.'s room", like I am stupid. I say, "You goddam fucking idiot! I know what room this is. What room is S. in right now?" "Oh," he says, "It's on the other side of the motel."

I wait until he gets out of the bathroom, and gets back on the couch. I grab my jeans and a top, change quickly in the bathroom, and then go looking for S. I find her outside another room. I ask her what the fuck is that creep doing in our room. She says, "No other family members would even give him floor space to sleep on, so I said he could stay in our room." When I asked her why she didn't ask me if that was okay, she replied, "You were sleeping, and besides I already made a bottle for the baby in case he woke up. It's in the fridge.", all the while acting like it was 1) my responsibility to look after her drunk daughter, and her grandson, 2) I was pretty stupid to not agree with her, and 3) what was the big deal of having a drunk ex-felon STRANGER sleeping in our room, even though no one else would even talk to the guy, much less allow him space in which to sleep in any of their rooms. Even S. didn't know him, and had only met him that evening at the wedding, too.

By now I'm thoroughly pissed off. I go back to the room, make coffee, eat a banana, start packing my stuff up. The drunk daughter comes out of her blitzed coma, and gets up and off the bed. She's falling out of her bra, is wearing thong underwear, and begins stumbling by the bio dad lying on the couch watching her. I could tell she wanted the bathroom, but she was headed the wrong direction. I turn her around, lift up the bra cups to cover her up, and steer her the toward the toilet area. She uses the toilet, then stumbles back to bed and promptly passes out again..hell, she probably wasn't even aware she had gotten up at all.

So, about 15 minutes have gone by since I confronted S. at the room on the other side of the motel. I'm packed, have had two cups of coffee...it's now almost 2 AM. S. comes from where she had been partying, catching up with me as I was returning from taking my suitcase to my car. She follows me into our motel room. The first thing she does is open the little fridge there and says, "See? I told you there was a bottle ready." I have no reply to that, and walk on by her. I gather up the rest of my loose items into a small box I had brought. S. asks me what I'm doing. I tell her I'm leaving. She asks me why. I tell her I am very upset about all this. She then picks up my pillows that I'd brought, and follows me out to my car as I carry the box. She then proceeds to tell me that everyone is out looking for M., the brother of the bride's stepfather, because he said he was going back to his room, and his mom said he hadn't returned, and everyone was very worried...M. is about 38 years old, and I'm thinking, this is ludicrous...not one word to me, not one apology from S. about what had happened in our room with the baby, daughter, and the bio dad. I just say, "Then, I hope he is found." S. doesn't seem overly concerned that I am about to drive down a twisiting mountain road, middle of the night in pouring rain, and it being Memorial Day weekend to boot.

I drive out of the motel parking lot, get about 1/8 of a mile down the very dark road, all the while thinking there could be a drunk on this road, I am completely unfamiliar with this road, I could hit a deer, it's pouring rain, and I would have to drive around the winding lake edge, and am still pretty shaken up about all that had happened in the past hour. So, I turn around, go back to the motel, and park near the forest edge far away from the rooms. I decided I would wait it out until the rain stopped enough...and it finally did...around 5:30 Am just when the sky was lightening with dawn. I drove home, still freaked out about all that had happened, upset and dismayed that someone I considered a friend for over 30 years would be so careless and callous not only with me, but with her daughter and her grandson.


I decided that I would wait until S. called to see what she had to say for herself about all this. She finally called two days later, left no message, and I wasn't home when she called. She called again about three weeks later, left a message about her other daughter, talked about some inane stuff, and hung up. She called again last week, two months after all this happened, stating she had no idea why I stopped talking to her because I never answer my phone for her (this last time she called, I was having a Bunco party, and was letting all phone calls go to message.)

She has NO IDEA??????

A couple of friends think I should write her a letter or email, and tell her why I have been waiting for some sort of acknowledgment that she chose to be so careless to the point that it freaked me out completely, and stunned me that she could be that callous and loose about not only my personal safety, but also her daughter and grandson's welfare. But, I have to admit, I have not really missed this friendship, even though it's been a long one. S. can be obnoxious, has said mean and petty things to me, about me, about my son in the past. It really takes a lot to make me feel angry toward anyone, and for the most part have chosen to let most of what she says roll off shoulders like water on a duck's back. I have been involved with her ever since she was five months pregnant with her first child, took in that child to live with me for several months when I caught her beating her with a wooden spoon, helped her out with her kids over many years in many ways, and been there for her through her marriage to (now ex) husband who's an addict, and more. Surprisingly, she's a government employee, and supervisor of her customer service department at a local Navy base...has had the job for over twenty years.

But, even though I haven't really missed her, it obviously does bother me that she has no idea why I haven't talked to her since the wedding in May. (I think she's being passive-aggressive, and using denial of some kind about all this.)


I am tempted to write her, and tell her, but I also know that whether I do this or not, I am done with her...friends do not treat each other the way she has treated me, and this last event, albeit, a major one, pretty much has set my mind that I can do just fine with the real friends I know I can trust.

So, Lounge.
What would you do?

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:16 PM
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1. I am with you, my dear Whoa_Nelly...
I would tell her these things...

I am aghast.

I would quickly disassociate myself from anyone who treated me like that...

That poor little baby should be removed!

Friends don't treat their friends like that...

Hugs for you... :hug: :hug:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:18 PM
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2. Thanks, CP
I agree with you...not the way to treat those who would call you friend. :hug:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:32 PM
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3. My advice: Write it out. Everything. Don't hold back.


Then put it away. Revisit it in a week or so. Edit as needed. Put it away again. Revisit. Re-edit. Continue until your heart tells you clearly whether or not to send it. Then follow your heart.


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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:40 PM
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5. I agree with DA
you went through hell for S and her family. I'd hold nothing back...
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:47 PM
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10. Thanks, lizziegrace
I have gone through a lot for her with her family...more than I would take the time to write down because it goes over so many years, and much of what I did was because of the kids and the other grandkids she has.
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:53 PM
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12. I would have done the same thing
for the sake of the baby. :hug:

I'm sorry you were treated so badly...

:(
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:01 PM
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15. I almost stayed in that motel room that night, just for the baby
but, I felt totally threatened, too, and was angry that it was NOT my job to be there to watch over drunk daughter and control the situation of that drunk ex-felon being there.
I didn't volunteer for the job, and had I been asked if he could stay, would have said, "NO!"

At that point in time, all I wanted to do was to get away from all of that as quickly as possible.
I was physically and emotionally very shaken up.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:44 PM
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9. Thanks, DA
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 06:26 PM by Whoa_Nelly
This is the first time I've actually written it all out.

We both live in a very small town, and at some point, will eventually run into S.

I think I will probably wait until that moment to choose to dump it all on her or just turn away.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:26 PM
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55. Good advice...
It's a good idea to revisit the anger (by writing about it) and view it from an outside perspective (reading, re-reading, and editing the letter). You'll probably find this is far more therapeutic than wasting your time and effort on these ridiculous people.

I feel very sorry for that poor baby. :cry:
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:34 PM
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4. Make it look like an accident.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:42 PM
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7. Care to let me borrow some fireworks?
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 06:06 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Just as cover, ya know... :hide:
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:20 PM
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21. Wow, you have a good memory.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:42 PM
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6. Wow. Just wow.
I don't know, I think I would have to write it out and tell her. I think otherwise it would just fester inside me.

What a fucked up story. :hug:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:50 PM
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11. It's actually not festering in me
I had pretty much not given her much thought until she called during my Bunco party last week.

When I listened to messages after the party, and hers was among them, I WAS taken a bit aback that she stated she has no idea why I haven't called her.

I just can't believe she is that clueless...in fact, am sure she isn't, but doesn't want to own up that she royally screwed up this last time.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:43 PM
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8. I have *no* idea what I'd say to this woman
But reading this makes me damned glad I quit drinking! A not so wild guess is that this whole family has a serious alcohol problem, and are incapable of being rational when in their cups. This isn't just getting tipsy and jolly: this is seriously risking the well being of others, particularly that poor baby.

It may sound harsh, but I'd cut them loose. It's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt, and I wouldn't want to be in the cross-fire.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:54 PM
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13. Would agree re: alcoholic
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 06:27 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Daughter was a 5-year meth-head before she got pregnant...will probably return to it, especially since she's still allowing the baby's father in her life. He's also physically abusive, but S. won't interfere until her daughter decides to admit it to herself. :eyes:

Daughter and baby are living with S.
S. allows her front door to be left unlocked at night so meth-head daddy can come in in the middle of the night when he wants to while he's hopped up and high.

Needless to say, it's been many months that I've spent any time at S.'s house...the whole thing is too screwed up for me, and I hate being around such an out-of-control situation.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:41 PM
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26. Seriously, with a baby in the house, does this need to be reported to Child Protection Services?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:49 PM
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48. I agree with all that CPS should be alerted
and I think I have a way to get that done without it leading back to me.

I have very serious and real concerns for any backlash that could occur for my family and myself since the baby's daddy is a meth addict, (not to mention that the baby's mom was up until she found she was pregnant...have no idea if she's back on the crap, but it wouldn't surprise me.)

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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:58 PM
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14. I am so sorry
you were treated this way.
I would let her know why you don't talk anymore...

:hug:

your a good person
WN

lost
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:02 PM
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17. Thank you, lost
Am glad you had such a wonderful time on your cruise! :woohoo:

YOU deserve some happy times! :hug:
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:01 PM
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16. I would write her, tell her what is the deal and tell her you are finished
with the friendship

She sounds like not much of a friend anyway and that she certainly took advantage of your kindness and has no clue that she did anything to offend you. If she does know what she did, that is perhaps even worse.

At any rate :thumbsdown: unless she has some phenomenal breakthrough of insight and behavioral change.

:hi:

:hug:

:loveya:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:06 PM
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18. I appreciate your advice and insight, SPK
I may write it out to her (spell it all out for her?)

Perhaps, there may be an epiphany for her of some sort should I do this, but I feel strongly that it's too late to return to anything that would even hint at friendship here.

Thanks, pawpicker :hug:

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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:08 PM
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20. Well that would be my take
epiphany or no epiphany!

:hug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:06 PM
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19. Good God Almighty, Nelly!
What a horrible experience you had! I would have done the same thing you did -- get out! I hate that kind of behavior; my father was an alcoholic and I have plenty of bad memories from that.

As far as telling your friend, I like DA's suggestion; I've often done that myself. That way, I can get things out, but have time to think and revise before I send anything out, if I do at all.

Besides what you were subjected to, I have to say I worry about that baby. Have you thought of calling CPS? You could even make an anonymous call, I believe. Used to be able to anyway; I did that once. That poor child, being brought up in that kind of atmosphere! :cry:

Sounds like you're doing okay overall, but again, I'm sorry you had to go through it at all. :hug: :loveya:

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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:25 PM
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22. Thanks, SG
The daughter is already on welfare, food stamps, even while living with her mom. She hasn't had a job in over 3 years.

She has to report to welfare every week. S.'s other four grandchildren from her older daughter went through the CPS system for almost four years before that daughter had her parental rights revoked. Fortunately, all four of them were adopted by the family that had served as foster throughout it all. I was involved in all that in trying to get CPS to act on those kids' behalf.

I think that it won't be long before this latest grandchild is in the system, with or without my input. And, to be honest, I don't want to get involved in this latest dysfunction as the meth-head twice-felon dad is involved with the daughter, baby, and still allowed into S.'s home. I want to stay away from having any fallout from any involvement...and it makes me feel selfish and horrible because of the baby, but I can't and won't have my life threatened or compromised in any way. I have my family to think of first. I want the whole lot of them to stay away as far as possible from me and mine.

As I said, am sure CPS will be involved with this family again for the sake of this baby, if they're not already.
I just can't do it again for them. :(
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:50 PM
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30. From what you say, I'm sure CPS probably does have their eye
on them.

And forgive me; I hadn't thought of the possibility that the family could come after you. Of course you can't put your own family in danger.

What a sad situation, though it's good that the other 4 kids were adopted!

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wain Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:26 PM
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23. Wonderful writing. All you did was right. You went the extra mile.
I would have left just as you did. Life is full of bumps and disappointments. So you found out the real "person" of your 30 year friend. Keep the good memories and walk away with your head held high. You have no reason to crawl back and beg for her apology. Leave it alone. The responsibility to respond and explain belongs to your once friend.

I feel bad for you. A friendship such as yours should be treasured, cherished and carefully guarded, not ignorantly discarded.

:hug:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:32 PM
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24. Thank you, wain!
That's pretty much how I see it, too.

And, have to say, there is no way anything even close to what I went through would even have had an off chance of occuring with any of my friends.

Have been disgruntled wtih S. in the past, but let it go.
What she allowed to happen was so over the top, I was stunned, but still rational enough to know that when alarm bells go off in my head, it's time to get the hell out of there.

It was pretty scary, and left me shaky for days afterward.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:34 PM
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25. You have a seriously loser friend and she has a loser family.
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 06:35 PM by Rabrrrrrr
You are a real winner in this one - you took care of a baby that wasn't yours and you had no responsibility for. Good for you!!

As to the situation, you should actually talk to her, not write a letter. But wait until she calls you.

You will tell her the story and make known how unacceptable it was; she will be utterly unable to see anything wrong in her behavior and will blame you either for not being a good friend, or being insensitive and overly needy; and she will dump you as a friend, and tell her family what a fucking loser you are because, for the sake of Jesus with a sockpuppet barbeque, she left an extra bottle in the fridge.

But you will be in the right, and will have a clear conscience.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:44 PM
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27. I agree with Rabrrrr - by now S and daughter have talked it out and
determined that YOU are the villain in the piece and any attempt to contact them will blow up in your face.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:46 PM
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29. Always good at getting right down to the real meat of things, Rabrrrrrr!
"...for the sake of Jesus with a sockpuppet barbeque, she left an extra bottle in the fridge."

:spray: :rofl: :spray:


And, I agree with you completely.
Am thinking it will take answering a phone call from her, or running into her here in town, to tell her just how it all went down from my end of things, and then just walk away.

Thanks! :hi: :loveya:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:19 PM
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34. I'm glad you appreciate it!
:yourock:

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:45 PM
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28. Nelly, you did the right thing.
I'm SERIOUSLY worried about the baby.
he's not safe with S's daughter.

Damn- I wish I had some good advice-
Peggy nailed it- the baby should be removed
before he is injured or worse.

:(
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:38 PM
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44. I think I've come up with a way to at least initiate CPS to make a home call
without things leading back to me...and I do have serious concerns regarding trouble being made toward me and my family simply becasue meth addiction is involved.

Haven't been around them, (S., her daughter, baby or any of the extended family), since that night, and not much for quite a while before that. So, I don't know all that may or may not be happening at this point in time.
However, have to agree with all here that CPS should at least be alerted and have a look-see on their own.

Thanks, trogl :hug:
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:25 PM
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54. I'm going to differ with others
I definitely think CPS should be involved, but if you tell them your story they are going to think/know you were somehow a factor. I'd probably just keep my distance, not say anything and if she ever tracks you down and asks you outright you can just say "things just got too crazy for me" and don't elaborate. If it were not for the baby I think I would not be able to resist having my say, but it the end I think it is best just to let it, and them, go. They will not be moved to remorse and reform...that never happens. It is likely that no one but you has any clear memory of what went down.

Don't seek her out, but if you run into her at other events don't pointedly ignore her either. Any of that just gives them ammo and I think you want to stay out of the line of fire. And, who knows, something may change them someday somehow and if that happens you will not have burnt any bridges irreparably. Alcohol makes people oblivious, slow to notice the effect of what they do on others and quick to forget, or minimize, the inevitable messes. If you really want some understanding you could contact Al Anon. They know this territory very well.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:09 AM
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62. Good plan, Nelly.
I agree with Trogl's post, there are a number of us
suggesting CPS be alerted.

Good luck and stay safe, OK?

:hug:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:06 PM
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31. Call social services, get the baby out of that environment
...and never have ANY dealings with anybody involved again.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:13 PM
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32. Bunco? Are you covering for Midlo?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. No wine, boxed or otherwise, was served at my Bunco party
However, Bunco Fight Club rules still apply :P

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:05 PM
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64. Nice post, Hitler.
:eyes:
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:17 PM
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33. Holy crap.
Your "friend" was completely irresponsible and STUPID, and I'm REALLY GLAD YOU ARE OK!! I shudder to think what might have happened to you or that daughter. Geez....

I'd go the letter route. Think of everything you want to say, and you'll have plenty of time to get everything down just right. Since you don't really plan on continuing the relationship, say all the stuff that she did, and why it's a problem!

Not only is she an irresponsible grandmother, she's being a terrible role model for her daughter. I mean...Christ! What if that guy had been Charlie Manson or something!

You are a brave lady, and a gutsy one. Good luck with everything.
fsc
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:44 PM
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46. Irresponsible
yes...but, am sure she doesn't see herself that way.
Since she can't understand why I haven't been in touch with her since May and all that happened, have to say she probably doesn't understand that she was being so careless and callous at the time.

And, truly, it seems to be the way things have been with her for a very long time.
The daughter is 24 years old...way too late to begin being a role model, eh?
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:50 PM
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35. Oh my god, Nelly
That's horrific.









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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:09 PM
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50. Thanks, dear friend


:hi:

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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:51 PM
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36. Life comes with a "dead to me" button. Use it.
:eyes: :wow: :wtf: :wow: :eyes:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:30 PM
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41. Good call
And I think I may have a way to report on the baby and initiate a home visit without it looking like it came from me.

I have serious concerns that if I make an initial report that there could be serious repercussions on my life and my family's life.
Where meth-heads are involved, anything could happen.
They are nucking futs.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:41 PM
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45. Seriously....
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 08:41 PM by Tuesday Afternoon
Report the baby anonymously and be done with them.
I feel very sorry for that baby but, that whole story is just bizarre.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:01 PM
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37. Now, see...
I haven't had a night like that since I was in my 20's and hung around with a bunch of raging idiots. It's really nice to be looking at 50 and know that I've not had to deal with that kind of crap in so long. Sitting here looking at 50 and glad I escaped with all my wits, and body parts, intact.

If the relationship doesn't mean that much to you anymore and you're cool with letting it go, I say let her go.

Sorry you had such an awful and scary time. :hug:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:46 PM
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47. And here I am in my mid-50s
thinking that crap should have stopped a long time ago, too.

Thought it had...apparently, I can still be blind-sided.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:03 PM
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38. I probably would have done exactly what you did...
However, I never would have left the baby alone with those people.
Duckie
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:26 PM
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40. S. was in the room when I left
So, the baby wasn't left alone as far as I know.
I had no control over anything or any actions she may or may not have taken after that.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:09 PM
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39. Wow, I have so many thoughts going through my mind about that story...
A friendship of mine broke up, once, during a wedding because I made the mistake of taking a childhood friend of mine who always acts up. Well, to be fair, we both act up whenever we are together. I won't get into the details, but I never did clear the air with that friend and we haven't spoken since-- and that was 1986. So, my advice? For whatever it's worth, if you feel like writing to her then write to her.

My other thoughts: 1. Weddings and babies don't mix well (we have lovely rattling paper sound effects, in place of our vows, on our wedding vid to prove that!). 2. Isn't it a horrible feeling to be the only one, with a room full of drunks, who is stone cold sober?

Good luck... I hope you can patch things up (if you want to, that is).

:hug:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:33 PM
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42. Thanks, KC2
The baby was there because he is part and parcel of the extended family, and his mom was the maid of honor for the bride.

As for patching things up...I don't want to go there. I want to just leave this behind me, and move on.
This person is not someone I could ever trust again.
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ZenKitty Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:01 PM
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49. I hope it's okay if a perpetual lurker chimes in....
Wholly molly!! I actually started sweating while I was reading your post.

IMHO, it's time for the engineer to cut loose the crazy train. That poor baby....poor you!! :-( FWIW, you lasted much longer than I would have in that situation.



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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:12 PM
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51. Hey! I resemble that remark!
Was a lurker for the first three years of DU :hi:

And, thanks for posting. I appreciate your kindness :hi: :hug:

(With the name ZenKitty, would think you'd be posting more in this Lounge with all it's kitty lovers! ;) )
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ZenKitty Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:22 PM
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53. I'm kind of shy :-) n/t
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:13 PM
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52. Holy CRAP
that Family sounds crazy.

I would write out all my thoughts, and send the letter, and add that I wanted nothing to do with them anymore.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:28 PM
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56. After you write the letter that Dangerously Amused has suggested...
You might consider publishing your experience...
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:37 PM
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58. having it here is plenty for me
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 09:37 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Why publish...am curious?

And, have pretty much decided to just wait until I run into S. in public...and this being such a small town, it's bound to happen eventually. :hi:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:56 PM
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61. It seems worthy of inclusion in a book of
"weird wedding" stories.

It might even make people think a little before letting themselves get trashed in similar situations.

Relaxing with friends and having a few drinks is one thing; but getting rip-snorting drunk is another...especially when you've got a baby to take care of.
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RedShoes Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:36 PM
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57. Brava!!! I am in the same boat right about now...and I don't miss the friendship...it's weird.
I have so much more money now too, which is strange because mostly we hung out at each other's houses. But anyhoo, my advice would be for you to c & p this post to her as an e-mail and see what she has to say. Or write everything out. But I wouldn't hold back if I were you. Being true to yourself is liberating.

Be your own advocate!
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. Thanks, RedShoes
Guess I was pretty much my own advocate when I chose to get the hell out of there... ;)


I like your name!

RedShoes from David Bowie's Let's Dance?

or...

RedShoes from The Red Shoes ballet musical?
(one of my favorite movies from when I was a young dancer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Shoes_(musical)


:hi:
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:57 PM
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59. You did what you could.
It sounds like S is trying to displace responsibility for her actions onto you. She's not the one that abused your friendship by not consulting you before dumping her questionable family on you. She's not the one that's oblivious to her problems. No. You're the one not returning her calls.

I feel bad for that family, but it's not your job to fix them or to make S feel better about what she did.

I can't imagine being struck in a hotel room with a baby, a drunk, and a stranger no one else feels comfortable around.

If it weren't kidnapping, I'd have taken the baby, as neither one of you deserves to be around a crowd of alcohol, neglect, and skeevy relatives. You can make an anonymous report to CPS, even about that incident. Or you could say you have concerns about the baby being around drugs (if you do have concerns). Just don't give them your name.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:11 AM
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63. nothing
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