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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:25 PM
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Was Jesus gay?
I got into a real row, I said Jesus was gay, since he did nothing but hang around with 12 guys.

The guy the two of us were were screaming at, said "Jesus hated gays."
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:27 PM
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1. Well he had something going on with Mary Magdalene.
Bi maybe?
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:30 PM
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2. There is no historical proof that there was a Jesus. So everything becomes...
...a conjecture.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:10 AM
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21. Right.
It's amazing how much effort people put into defining the personality of their favorite fairy tale. :shrug:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:45 PM
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45. Wrong
Most scholars in the fields of biblical studies and history agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher from Galilee who was regarded as a healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire, and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was sentenced to death by crucifixion. On the other hand, mythologists, and a minority of biblical and historical scholars argue that Jesus never existed as a historical figure, but was a purely symbolic or mythical figure synthesized from various non-Abrahamic deities and heroes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

You cannot say there is no historical proof that there was a Jesus.

We may argue about his divinity, but not his existence.


As to his sexual orientation, God only knows.



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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:51 PM
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46. hehe
Most scholars in the fields of biblical studies and history agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher from Galilee who was regarded as a healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire, and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was sentenced to death by crucifixion


Sounds like one of us :D
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:36 PM
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3. I couldn't say whether he was or not; but I'm certain Jesus
didn't hate anybody...even those who persecuted him. It reminds me of many gay friends I have, who don't hate the people who persecute them.

There are no passages in the Bible in which Jesus condemns homosexuals or homosexuality.

Paul seemed to feel that was his job.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:47 PM
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4. Truth.
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 11:50 PM by elshiva
We don't know much about Jesus' sexuality. If Jesus existed... :shrug:

Also the whole Mary Magdalene and Jesus being together is without much evidence either.

buffy
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:29 AM
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25. we do know he was into liza minelli music
and showtunes. i think it was in matthews account of his life.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:51 PM
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5. or polygamous.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:01 AM
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6. The apostle/follower whom He kissed was likely Mary Magdalene. He appeared first to her post-
Resurrection. The Wedding at Cana might have been His, to her.

Now, I'm not asserting His existence. Just saying that what is written can be interpreted as Christ's having a relationship with Mary M., while there is nothing written to indicate any gay relationship.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:11 AM
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7. well Jesus is a fabrication by the Roman Catholic Church
so I'd say No.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:24 AM
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9. Wrong... Jesus was JEWISH and lauded by Catholics for his humanitarianism.
:eyes:
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Morrisons Ghost Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:36 AM
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16. Huh?
You do realize Christianity existed long before there was a Roman Catholic Church?
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 11:40 AM
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33. The record does not coincide and there is no evidence Jesus existed
believing a book written hundreds of years after he supposedly lived doesn't count as evidence, either. Be serious people. It is impossible for somebody be be ressurrected. It is impossible to walk on water. Open you fucking minds and realize the bullshit the church has told you over the years.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 12:04 PM
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35. Or you could be open to the fact that we all have differing opinions
on this. And it isn't really fair for you to tell people to realize that their belief is bullshit. It is fine for you to think that.
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 01:37 PM
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40. And that Jesus existed long before Christianity.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:05 AM
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20. If there was not a man named Jesus, how did that church start?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:11 AM
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22. My personal belief
is that the appostles needed an ideal man for the same reason commercials use spokespersons, so they made one up. They all agreed to talk about this one perfect man, and people believed the public relations.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:25 AM
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23. But why would they suffer and even die
for a fake idea?
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:13 AM
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29. Iraq
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:21 AM
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30. hmmm.... well I notice the ones selling the fake ideas
are not the same ones that are dying for them.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 11:38 AM
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32. substitute the Vatican for our Government
and you get the idea.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:55 AM
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27. Because Catholics wrote the New Testament?
Edited on Thu Aug-28-08 08:56 AM by WinkyDink
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:22 AM
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8. Is that all you have to think about and who the F cares?
:shrug:

:eyes:
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:27 AM
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10. I say he was melancholy, not gay
Though my melancholy-dar has been know to be off...
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:27 AM
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11. Thanks for your concern. *yawn*
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Louis Cyphre Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 02:37 AM
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12. Why are you mortals obsessing about the sex life of God's kid?
You should be obsessed with your own sex lives, and sinning like you're supposed to :evilgrin:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:48 AM
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18. How many spellings have you used of the same username?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:57 AM
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13. For the 10,000th time, there was no mention whatsoever of homosexuality in the New Testament
Jesus never uttered one word about homosexuality. On the contrary, his teaches suggests that Jesus would have been accepting of homosexuality.

There are some people so steeped in their ignorance that they can't be helped.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:02 AM
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14. "They're not disciples they're LOSERS!"
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:28 AM
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15. Jesus was a dope dealer and the twelve 'apostles' were his drug runners.
His bud was so kind all his customers started seeing shit and following him around. Hell, they all got so high they started some kind of (shudder) damned peace and love flower child hippie religion.

Damned hippies.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:40 AM
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17. 'The Stable' was a gay bar in Bethlehem, and 'Mary' was a drag queen (Fabulous 2:18)

Making fundies' heads explode never gets old.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 09:04 AM
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28. Don't forget Connie Casserole! Oh, Mary, don't ask!
"The Boys in the Band".
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 07:56 AM
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19. Jesus was a homeless couch surfer
who liked to harass those poor, innocent, hard working money changers in the temple. ;)
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:28 AM
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24. He was a buddy...
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:31 AM
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26. I once told some friends that Buddha was "fat-ass child molester".
Yeah, I hear ya. I once told some friends that Buddha was "fat-ass child molester who should really try the Jenny Craig plan". They didn't like that too much and I couldn't figure out why.

Some time later, I finally realized why-- I said something to a group of people which they would most likely find inherently offensive to their own world view about a religion that has nothing to do with me.

Thank God I grew up and out of that phase where I thought it was cool just to piss people off-- it seemed to advertise more about how ineffectual of a person I could be if I really tried...
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 12:07 PM
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37. Exactly.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:39 PM
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44. On the other hand
Long ago I got over the idea that I Must respect other people's fantasies.

As long as it stays in their own heads and in their own homes I can happily ignore their fantasies and it doesn't effect me.

But as soon as people start trying to run my life according to their fantasies then it's time to start point out that their fantasies are insane. Religion is inherently insane. It's magical thinking that people use to make themselves feel good, and usually use to make themselves feel superior to others.

As long as people are only mildly insane and keep it to themselves I'm cool with it. Just don't inject that insanity into our laws and government agencies. That's pretty simple.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 11:16 AM
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31. Never argue with Idiots
People might not be able to tell you apart.


Only in Fundy Land did Jesus hate anybody.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 11:58 AM
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34. hmm, never really thought much about jesus having a sex life
not sure what the point of this is.... :shrug:
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 12:07 PM
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36. as inheritors of the graeco-roman tradition
the disciple relationship might have involved homosexuality.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 12:55 PM
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38. I'm starting to think that may be the case.
John being the beloved disciple and all, plus Jesus got on so well with women! It might also explain the overwhelming anger that led him to being condemned to the cross.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 01:19 PM
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39. Your friends were right. The Bible depicts Jesus beating up people with aluminum bats several times
No, wait, that was some teenagers in the local news. Never mind, my bad.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 01:41 PM
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41. The threee lines of thought about him I have heard: 1) he was absitinent and asexual (most common
portrayal) 2) he and Mary Magdalene were secretly married, and 3) he was gay and in a relationship with "Simon Peter, whom he loved"

I can't say for sure, I wasn't there; but I prefer options 2 and 3.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 01:43 PM
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42. well there was someone he called Beloved -- and he was a guy. nt
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 04:06 PM
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43. More important...if there was a Jesus... did he have....
lips?

Tikki
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