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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 11:55 PM
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Do the Amish really make
Miracle Amish Heaters? Whats with that?

plus, i just read in another thread where they refered to an Amish puppy mill. Whats up with the Amish lately?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 12:42 AM
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1. miracle heater?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 12:44 AM
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2. I think they make the wooden shell that surrounds the heater.
Not sure they make the actual heater.

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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 12:54 AM
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5. Heater made in China.
Not really any more efficient than a regular 1500 watt portable heater, and you can get one of those for far less than the HeatSurge that's advertised on TV.

Looks OK though.

Mark.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 01:03 AM
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6. Yup. They make a $45 wooden box, and some middleman sticks a $15 Chinese heater in it...
...and then a shell company sells it for $249 on late night TV.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 12:48 AM
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3. I went to school with an Amish
Amish Lashkari. He spoke English, Urdu, and Punjabi, the showoff.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 12:52 AM
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4. Nothing new-- thar's Amish, and thar's Amish...
all Amish are Mennonites, but not all Mennonites are Amish, and not all Amish are terribly strict about Mennonite business ethics when it comes to selling to outsiders. Nor are all Amish afeared of electricity and other moderns goodies.

The Miracle Heater is just another 1500 watt electical heater with a mantle made in some Amish community. You buy a $350 mantle and they throw in a $50 heater. I have no idea what marketing genius came up with this thing, but it is the sort of advertising that wuld horrify most Amish.

Yes, there are a bunch of puppy mills run by groups of Amish in Pennsylvania. Been there a long time and the county and state aren't doing much about it. do not buy dogs from "puppy stores."

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 01:42 AM
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7. They consider the puppies a commodity. The Amish are very big puppy mill owners.
Never buy a puppy from a pet shop or over the internet. Only when you can go to the place where it is being cared for, and see the conditions, should you get a puppy or kitten. This applies to rescues as well.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 01:45 AM
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8. I hear the women are experts at making wood out of wood...
:P
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 01:50 AM
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9. The Amish are big in puppy mills.
They're more profitable than actual farming, and less work. Plus they're not very well regulated in PA and OH, where most of the Amish live.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 02:40 AM
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10. Rumor has it that they are cruel to horses as well
(Hope my brush is not too broad)

from the link:

http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/spirituality-faith/52974-reality-animal-abuse-amish.html

Let me preface my remarks by noting that while I have not lived in this area for nearly thirty years, I grew up in Southern Lancaster County, where I lived and worked on my family’s dairy farm from the time I could help until I left for college in 1980. I also rode and showed horses during my junior high and high school years. I know the challenges of farming and that sometimes animals can be contrary and uncooperative, requiring humane correction. Let me also emphasize that I am not a member of PETA. I am not a vegetarian. In short, I am not what many Lancaster Countians would label an “animal rights’ wacko.”

That being said, I was appalled and sickened, as I believe anyone with an ounce of compassion would have been, at the scene that greeted me in the early afternoon of July 12 as I turned onto Pumping Station Road, en route back to my brother’s home near Kirkwood. I saw an Amish buggy stopped alongside the road, the horse drawing it fallen on the ground and clearly in distress, and a team of draft horses with some sort of conveyance behind them in front of the stricken horse. A rope attached to the conveyance was also attached to the fallen horse’s bridle. I assumed that the injured horse had been struck by a vehicle, but no, the young Amishman and the pre-teen Amish boy who were there casually informed me, the horse was a “balker” and had fallen to the ground after their attempts to yank him forcefully along behind the draft animals. This horse was clearly injured and in distress; he was bleeding from both his front and rear legs and from his mouth. He was also terrified; his neck was twisted at an awkward and painful angle, and he was still attached to the buggy, finding it very difficult to move. When I asked if he had broken a leg, the Amishman nonchalantly replied, “No, just a stubborn horse,” and proceeded to viciously kick this horse in the head to try to get him to stand up. They finally got the buggy removed from him, at which point more brutal kicking was delivered to both his head and hindquarters. Though the horse tried to get up, he had fallen on the road and thus had no means of traction and fell to the ground again. At this point, the Amishman suggested that I could be on my way. With my hands bloodied from where I had touched the horse’s head to try to calm him, I managed to utter in my disgust that I seriously doubted that beating the horse was going to accomplish their goal. I seemed to have little choice but to drive away, though I was tempted to call the police. As I looked in the rear-view mirror I saw another round of blows delivered to the horse’s head. It was one of the most brutal cases of animal abuse I have ever witnessed. Perhaps I should have tried to do more; perhaps making this incident public is the best I can do.

This is not the first time in my years living here and then visiting at least twice a year since I left that I have observed Amish cruelty to animals. Workhorses and mules can be seen even from the road as they are grazing with open, untreated collar sores. I’ve seen Amish families driving lame horses at a fast trot, and who hasn’t seen horses and buggies tied for hours in the hot summer sun? And we all know that some inhumane Amish breeders are key players in Lancaster County’s dubious distinction of being the puppy mill capital of the United States. Now granted, the Amish have no corner on the market of cruelty to animals. Recent stories during my visit about dog and cock fighting and alleged guinea pig abuse are testament to that. There are horrible cases of animal cruelty throughout this country. Nor, I imagine, are all Amish abusive to their stock. However, here’s the rub. The myth of the Amish is that they are a deeply religious, Christian, meek, gentle, pacifist people. As I watched that Amishman brutally abuse that injured and terrified horse, I could not help but think how such behavior flies in the face of all they profess with their faith. Yes, their Biblical injunction gives them dominion over the animals, but somehow I just can’t see the God nor the Christ they claim to worship looking down on this scene with approval. It is sheer hypocrisy. Certainly most reasonable people would agree that this brutality was a much greater sin, according to Christian theology, than having a telephone in your house.

Few in Lancaster County want to criticize the Amish because, of course, they are economic bread and butter to the region. The money depends on the mythology. I have plenty of opportunities where I now live and where I travel to answer questions about the Amish, which are always forthcoming once people find out where I’m from. They are curious about this group of people and their traditional ways. One thing you can be sure of: when asked, I will be offering the straight story – a fair one, but one that is not marked by some romanticized, false view of a gentle, consistently nonviolent people.

more can be found:
http://www.peta.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2035&whichpage=3
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 09:30 AM
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11. I read an article about those heaters
They're a big ripoff. Apparently the only way they heat the whole house is if you haul the thing from room to room with you. Not very efficient. I was at UPS the other day and some guy was shipping his back.

I hadn't heard about the puppy mills. That's disturbing.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 09:40 AM
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12. i had a dog raised by amish, and my kid drove amish horses.
there are bad apples everywhere. the dog was a great dog, tho i admit that i did not visit the place where it was raised. bought it from a farmer who was a partner.
daughter used to drive a carriage in downtown chicago. all the horses were from amish breeders. they were the ones that were too slow and lazy to be amish horses. never had anything buy good horses, never saw any sign of abuse. the drivers all went over to an amish town in indiana to buy their tack. all beautifully made, good quality stuff.


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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 12:36 PM
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13. The Amish also make the frames for Original Mattress Factory products
and as I've pointed out before, the Amish are also well-known as top-notch bird watchers as well.

The puppy mill stuff is problematic, but does hold a mirror up to our own society. The Amish are meeting a demand, and how they meet that demand is perfectly legal within the rules and laws of mainstream society. If we want them to eliminate puppy mills, we need to change our animal treatment laws to no longer make puppy mills profitable.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 12:37 PM
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14. They make butter around here and sell it to some stores!
:9

That is all I know!
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