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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 03:16 PM
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I'm as mad as any DUer about the Prop 8 decision, but there's a silver lining here....
All the Cali Supremes said was that they were upholding the right of the California electorate to amend the state's constitution. They made no decision at all about whether this particular law itself is valid. They wiggled out of that one, and left room for it to go to the SCOTUS.

Yes, it should've been struck down NOW. But it's going to happen. And soon. Just not today.

So, convert the anger into determination and let's get back to work. It ain't over yet.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 03:22 PM
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1. So I did read it correctly.
Although I did not read the whole thing.

Tell me: could the CSSC have struck down the proposition method of lawmaking? Because that is really fucked.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 03:26 PM
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2. They could have, but no way in hell that would've happened.
Actually, as a Californian, the referendum process has put us in the sorry shape we're in today. The process has been hijacked by the same special interests that buy our state reps, and they deliberately put deceptive measures on the ballot.

Besides that, if Prop 13 were struck down today, the state's budget problems would disappear almost entirely tomorrow.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 03:42 PM
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3. I'm a native Californian and I've always thought it was bogus.
I'll be moving back there in a few years and I'll still think it's bogus. ;)

Agreed re: Prop. 13. What a nightmare that created. Wiped out the arts in public schools, especially at the elementary level.

Although I thought Howard Jarvis's role in "Airplane!" was pretty funny.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:18 PM
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4. ...
:)
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:24 PM
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5. This point was made in another post, and I concede you may be right.
It may well be true. But if so, it was irresponsible of individuals who know better--such at Attorney General Brown or the Governor, or other media "legal experts"--to portray this decision as a decision regarding the legitimacy of the rights of Gays to marry in the first place.

But I appreciate your post.

Clarification on this key issue would help. Nevertheless, this issue has been solved in other states; why the difficulty in California?

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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:59 PM
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6. Why on earth California has the proposition system is beyond me.
Seems to be complete nutbaggery.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 06:00 PM
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7. It's why our state constitution is longer than War and Peace.
The only ones who really love it are the lawyers.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 06:04 PM
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8. Oh, California.
Never thought I'd see the day when my state would accept gay marriage before California would.

Well, accept it starting September 14th, 2009. Assuming those 55-some-odd-thousand signatures aren't collected. But they will be. And this will go to ballot.

Thank god it's a referendum/people's veto (whatever that is) and not a "proposition."
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