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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:56 PM
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Did our American hard "R" come from Irish and Scot Immigrants?
Just wondering - since those seem to be the only other English dialects to share (or at least have a similar) hard "R" (like we use in "car" and "bar")
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velvet Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:42 PM
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1. I've always thought so, but ...
But come to think of it, there are hard Rs in Cornish and Somerset accents too.

Not an American-speaker myself, am Australian and soft R all the way.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:44 PM
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2. No, it's a retained archaism.
Edited on Wed Jul-22-09 11:45 PM by Odin2005
The Brits and many Americans living on the coast started dropping Rs at the end of syllables during the 1700s. Americans living farther inland were insulated from that sound shift and that is why most Americans don't drop our Rs.

However, many American English dialects, my own included, have a tendency towards pronouncing the R farther and farther back in the mouth so that, for example, after back vowels my R is pronounced similar to the French R.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 02:15 AM
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3. Dunno I grew up in New England form Irish and Scotch stock and we don't have any R's
and we don't need them.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:42 AM
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9. wicked good! nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 12:01 PM
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10. Well, no "ahs" except at the beginning of a word. I eat rice, not ahice :^P Oddly enough, though,
Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 12:03 PM by GreenPartyVoter
our words that end in "a" sound like they end in "r." Go figger!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 02:23 AM
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4. I think it comes from pirates. nt
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 02:29 AM
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5. Not at all...
This is something for which we should blame Pirates.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 02:40 AM
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6. Indeed, matey.
Aaarrrr. (Now THAT'S a hard R.)
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 02:54 AM
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7. Ha! I thought this thread was about America's strong right turn.
And I was going to say, most Irish identified with the left and Democrats and that's still the case today, though not nearly at the level it was during FDR and Kennedy.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:53 AM
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8. No, it came from the bluenoses at the MPAA. n/t
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