#walkingdead better freaking find Sophia tonight.

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They invented this "mid-season finale" thing, so at least wrap up some loose ends.

[Flaxbee]

1. I agree! Can anyone give me a play-by-play? Stuck at the office..

though at least I now have cable at home -- but I'd love to know what is happening!

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2. Typing on touch screen,but I'll try mm

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3. glen told the group about the walkers in the barn

[Flaxbee]

4. Oooh!

Was there a freak-out?

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7. not really

but they were surprised. Dale was there, and explained the reasons. But they don't feel safe.

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6. news about Lori's pregnancy is out

Rick used the pregnancy to plead with Herschel to let them stay on the farm. Otherwise,he insisted, they had to be out by the end of the week.

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8. but Herschel still wants them out

his daughter is making the case for them now.

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9. Carl said 'bullshit'

he talked tough with Shane. Insisted they were staying until Sophia was found.

Dale hid the guns so Shane wouldn't kill the walkers. Dale and Shane really hate each other now.

Herschel took Rick to rescue two stranded walkers. They brought those loops that dog catchers use.

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11. I think Carol and Daryl will be a couple soon nm

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14. the situation has come to a head

Shane went ballistic. Let the walkers out of the barn. They all had to shoot whether they wanted to or not.

then Sophia came out . She's a walker

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15. ^ major spoiler above!

[Flaxbee]

24. that was one hell of an intense scene.

I got home about 9:45 and turned it on - sat there stunned. I know Shane is borderline (?) nuts, but his point that someone who was simply 'ill' couldn't take bullets to the chest and still live hopefully got through to a (no doubt) shell-shocked Hershel.

[Brigid]

5. I think our little group is falling apart.

I agree, they are going to have to do something about Sophia. They can't leave this until February.

[Brigid]

10. Herschel still doesn't get it.

Not even now. Glenn is right -- they're just plain dangerous, and that's the bottom line. Herschel can't lock all the walkers in his barn.

[Flaxbee]

12. Just found Sophia

:(

[NewJeffCT]

21. wow

what an ending for her

[krispos42]

30. Yeah, they certainly did.

Yikes.

Although in hindsight, that was always a possibility.

However, Hershel never mentioned finding her, even after the secret of the barn was found out, so I just assumed she was still lost in the woods.

Of course now Hershel and Sophia's mom are now devastated.

[MrScorpio]

13. Now we know...

[Liberal Veteran]

16. Damn it.

That sucked.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

17. wow!!

that was intense.

Title should include "spoiler". :)

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22. sorry

When I started the thread I didn't know I'd be giving a play by play.

[krispos42]

31. You did a good job with the play-by-play

It is a live discussion thread, after all.

[Brigid]

18. Sophia!

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[charlie and algernon]

19. Holy shit!

That was a hell of an ending! :wow:

[Recovered Repug]

20. My first reaction was "I didn't see that coming".

Then again, on this show anything is bound to happen.

[NewJeffCT]

23. I was rooting for Dale

spoiler text below:
to pull the trigger on Shane.


In the comics (more spoiler text below):
in the comics, one of Hershel's family gets killed by walkers when they open up the barn (Otis maybe?)

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42. Otis had to die early because he was the one who put Sophia in the barn.

[fishwax]

25. found her

:nuke:

[Duer 157099]

26. Well Rick finally proved his manhood (spoiler)

when he finally pulled his gun on a little girl walker! Was that intended irony or what?

I don't recall seeing any children walkers earlier in the season, were there? I began to think that maybe child walkers were different, that they could somehow be saved.

Guess not.

Intense episode, and glad Darrell finally said what I was thinking about how they weren't really looking for Sophia too seriously.

Also: I'm convinced that the CDC guy told Rick that Lori was pregnant, which is why he seemed to know before she told him, and he took it in stride. And the baby IS Shane's.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. I'm re-watching the first episodes on Netflix - the first walker Rick shoots ...

... is a child. Very similar to the Sophia shot.

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38. Rick felt responsible for losing her to begin with.

So the only thing for him to do was end it rather than leaving it for someone else.

There was a child walker right out of the gate - first episode of season one.

[aikoaiko]

52. Rick killed another little girl walker early on -- maybe in the 1st season.

[NewJeffCT]

54. it was actually the open sequence of episode 1

then, they had the flashback to Rick getting shot and then waking up in the hospital...

[aikoaiko]

55. Ahh, right. Thank you.

[texanwitch]

27. I am in Austin visting friends who are watching Lord of the Rings.

I was afraid the little girl was a walker, she was gone for to long.

Shane is crazy, it is the heat.

Glad to know what happened, I will try to watch it later.

[Recovered Repug]

28. The more I think about it, Herschel was kind of a dick.

He had to have known/strongly suspected that the missing girl was in the barn. I can see wanting to keep the barn secret, but even after the secret got out he didn't say anything. He was willing to let the group go down the road without ever knowing what happened to her daughter.

[Duer 157099]

29. I don't think he knew

And besides, he didn't know what Sophia looked like so even if he knew there was a little girl, how would he know it was her?

I still think it's weird that almost all of the walkers are adults.

[krispos42]

33. Well, if you find a 'tween female walker...

...and then a day later ten people come to your farm saying one of their own was shot while looking for a lost girl, you should be able to put two and two together to get four.

I think he thought he had to keep Sophia the walker a secret so the group would move on. I think that's why he was pushing for them to leave, even though it was obvious that the farm would need manpower to plant and crow crops in an environment without modern farming tools such as fertilizers, tractors, insecticide, and high-yield seed.

Once he didn't tell them immediately, he was trapped on the path of continuing to hide her from them, both to protect his initial duplicity and to protect his secret in the barn.


I suppose he could have salvaged his position by somehow separating Sophie the walker out of the barn herd and letting her free, to be discovered by the sentry on top of the RV, but that operation would have risk of discovery.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. Maybe he thought he was "saving her" by not revealing her existence.

[krispos42]

40. Good point. Hershel things they can be cured, so that's something I didn't consider.

Excellent point, actually.

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43. This was explained on talking dead.

It was Otis's job to put the walkers in the barn. He had gone into town before anyone learned they were looking for a little girl.

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34. I seem to remember Herschal saying that nothing happened

on the farm without him knowing about it. While he didn't know what Sophia looked like however, a little girl is put in the barn around the same time that a group of people are looking for a missing girl. I don't think it would have required Sherlock Holmes to make the connection.

[texanwitch]

32. It was Otis who put the little girl in the barn, his job was to catch the walkers.

I just found this out watching Talking Dead.

Herschel still had to guess the little girl walker was the missing girl.

[Brigid]

35. Alice Cooper just called "Talking Dead!"

:rofl:

[Brigid]

36. They have "Walking Dead" Action figures!

:rofl:

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41. My daughter, laughed, LAUGHED at me because I told her I would be busy

watching Walking Dead. And then she text me to tell me that on her first night back from vacation, her boyfriend won't go out because he's watching Walking Dead. LOL!

[texanwitch]

44. I am watching the show now and Rick just told Shane about the baby.

I think that is when Shane decided to open the barn door and kill the walkers.

Shane knows he is the father and he will protect his child.

[ellisonz]

45. The ending was epic.

Can't wait till February.

[MiddleFingerMom]

46. I blame the OP's impatience for Sophia's demise!!!!

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That quiet, pathetic little Walker growl of Sophia's and the fact that she took so long to come out
had me thinking she was suddenly going to say, "It's about TIME you found me. They were starting
to catch on that I was posing."
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[texanwitch]

47. I said early on that Sophia was on the farm.

She was a sad little zombie.

Big bad Shane couldn't shoot her, Rick had to step up.

[MiddleFingerMom]

48. It HAD to be Rick... he felt so mistakenly guilty about and responsible for how she disappeared. n/t

[texanwitch]

49. Everybody else just stood their not moving.

Rick did the right thing.

[charlie and algernon]

50. I thought the ending was brilliant because it completely turned Shane's arguement on its head

Shane's whole breakdown/arguement was that the zombies are just that: zombies/walkers. They aren't people. They are mindless, killing machines. So he had no problem shooting Hershel's neighbors and family right in front of him.


But then Sophia comes out and suddenly Shane's arguement is flipped. Now that walker is someone that HE/HIS group cares about. All that bravado that accompanied the massacre is gone and Rick is now the only one capable of actually shooting Sophia.

I loved that the Walking Dead made you actually care about the zombies as they were being massacred. And that's what happened, it was a massacre. So far, only George Romero has done a movie where you actually cared about the zombies (Land of the Dead).

[texanwitch]

51. Shane likes to act tough.

The female zombie that was shot in the face with her teeth showing was Hershel's wife.

I can understand Shane's point of view but you have to have some control over youself.

What would we do if we had to live with zombies, I would shoot them.

[MiddleFingerMom]

53. I thought that Herschel's argument about the "undefeatable plagues" through history...

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... up to and including AIDS was compelling and made ME think
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