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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 04:52 PM
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http://www.recallgovernator.com/
new site that was e-mailed to me...don't know anything
about them but highlights the Enron fix.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 05:05 PM
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1. This movement is just taking off all over the country
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 05:47 PM
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2. Alaskans are organizing to recall Murkowski
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:08 PM
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6. just a thought
but maybe they should wait until his disapproval ratings are in the 70s?

I keep seeing DUers refer to the recall as "undemocratic", but if anything, it was too democratic; the people got a no-confidence vote three years before an election simply because the breeze blew the wrong direction. "The customer is always right" works great in sales,
but try letting 51% of the populace decide if the earth is flat, or Canada especially abhorrent on Blue Jays night.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 05:49 PM
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3. I may get flamed for this
Edited on Sat Oct-11-03 05:50 PM by MidwestTransplant
but if people move to recall Arnold before he even starts, it will piss of those who voted for him and the recall...that's a lot of people with many of them being moderates and a bunch of democrats too. Just let him mess up on his own then try to recall him.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:01 PM
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4. I agree
Edited on Sat Oct-11-03 06:02 PM by George_Bonanza
The recall was not the right idea, but Arnold did win. Davis couldn't get the 50+% "No on recall" vote, and of all the non-Davis candidates, Arnold clearly won. He is the winner. He has done nothing yet and already people are trying to recall him? So what if Arnold DOES get recalled? Like the Republicans will sit still. Then Bustamanta, if he wins, will get recalled, then it becomes a recall cycle.

My opinion? Arnold will never be able to recover California's economy. I thought it was a huge mistake for him to attach his political career with the California disaster. A lot of people seem to agree that it was not in Davis' power to slow down the economic problems nationwide. I think he got recalled because he had no friends, not that he made any huge calculation error that suddenly lost 5 billion dollars overnight or something. So what I think is let Arnold crash and burn. Proposing a recall Arnold movement is silly and a waste of time that will only circulate a vicious recall cycle. The smartest thing Democrats can do is watch Arnold very carefully, and watch him do worse than Davis, then oust him in 2006 or whenever the next governor race is. Or if he does REALLY bad, recall him. But not 3 days after his victory.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:06 PM
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5. Oh, but Ahnold HAS done things yet
Besides the groping, which could still turn into a civil lawsuit and even an impeachment movement, everything Greg Palast predicted in his recent articles about Ahnold letting Enron off the hook is coming true.

"It's time to settle and move on,' a top aide to Schwarzenegger said. 'We don't want to inherit litigation.'"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00087.htm

Ahnold IS going to be a miserable failure as a governor, and he'll blame it all on Gray Davis.
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Dagaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:15 PM
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7. If you want a REAL scare read this
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/10/11/MN20927.DTL

Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger is preparing a push to deregulate the state's electricity markets -- a move embraced by business leaders and some energy analysts but criticized by many Democrats and consumer advocates as a return to the failed policies that sparked California's energy crisis.

Although the new Republican governor-elect will be consumed at first with tackling the state's budget woes, his advisers say he will push changes next year aimed at lowering energy costs for industry and large power users while encouraging energy firms to build more power plants to help meet rising demand.

The actor-turned-politician made little mention of his plan to reduce state regulation of energy markets during the recall race, devoting his time instead to bashing Gov. Gray Davis for saddling the state with expensive long-term contracts for power. But with many of those contracts set to expire in the next two years, the governor-elect will have to present his solutions or risk facing his own energy crisis.

"We will need more power, and we have to make some serious decisions about how that's going to happen," said Severin Borenstein, director of the University of California Energy Institute. "For the next six months or so, we're in good shape, but if we put it off for a year or a year and a half, then we're going to be under real pressure."

Schwarzenegger's energy strategy is being driven by some of the same members of former Gov. Pete Wilson's team who led the push for energy deregulation in the mid-1990s. The governor-elect, for example, picked for his transition team Jessie Knight, a former Wilson appointee to the Public Utilities Commission and a leading proponent of deregulation.

much more from link at top
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:20 PM
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8. What does "deregulate mean"?
Does it mean it will turn state-owned energy providers into competing corporations?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 11:57 PM
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9. It means..Enron-Duke-Reliant
google ANY of those and you will see the problem..

Their goal is to destroy the current providers and then really sock it to the public..

A bunch of cronies, each operating a piece of what used to be a whole , and trading "costs" with each other, driving their own worth up, and at each juncture, the public pays and pays and pays..

Tho only way out, is to not use energy..:(
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:53 AM
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10. Now we can have an election in California every 3 months yipee...
And run up the state's budget defecit even more!
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