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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:02 PM
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Climate change may lead to war
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B8BE319D-1788-47EA-8213-14DBBCEC0257.htm

Sunday 22 February 2004, 22:12 Makka Time, 19:12 GMT

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A secret report prepared by the Pentagon warns climate change may lead to a global catastrophe costing millions of lives and is a far greater risk than "terrorism".

The report was ordered by an influential US Pentagon adviser, but was covered up by US defence chiefs for four months, until it was obtained by a British newspaper.

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The Pentagon report, commissioned by Andrew Marshall, predicts that "abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies," The Observer said on Sunday.

Warfare

The report, quoted in the paper, concluded: "Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life... Once again, warfare would define human life."

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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:03 PM
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1. *sigh*
Everything is horrible...
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:23 PM
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2. Why is everything that this administration touches
have to do with or will cause war?
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:52 PM
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3. because, as a speaker said at an A.B.B. meeting in my city tonight,
Bush wants us to be afraid, because people who are afraid can be
controlled.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:00 PM
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5. Fear and Control
I've just posted a very frightening scenario (below). This is essentially the same scenario as the Pentagon is now using.

The main point is that if we know it's coming, we can plan for it, and reduce the chaos to a bare minimum. It's not going to hit next year (I think!) and a lot of people are beginning to listen to some of the scientists who have been talking about it for nearly 20 years now.

Team Bush doesn't just use fear -- it combines it with making people believe that they are helpless without Team Bush. That's the problem.

Our problem is to clean out the White House and make sure our next 50 years of Presidents know their mouths from their rectums.

--bkl
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:55 PM
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4. Millions? They wish!
This threat is the onset of a new ice age.

It's not a very big change, as changes go. Only about 10-20F world-wide. But here's what we think will happen.

The ice age will start when oceanic and atmospheric currents reach their "tipping points" from water desalinization (from ice melt) and thermocline disruption. The circulations which mix warm and cool water, and air, will stop working.

Immediately, the polar areas will cool down and the equatorial areas will warm up -- dramatically, as much as 40F down (polar) or up (equatorial). With that kind of heat in the equatorial regions, the oceans will act like vast pans of hot water, sending huge volumes of water into the atmosphere. Thanks to global warming, this is happening already to a small extent -- it has already reduced sunny days by about 10% world-wide.

There will be a period of enormous heat waves, hurricanes, tornado outbreaks and violent thunderstorms. It will probably be a year-round thing until the snow-making "machine" gets cranked up.

Since there is a tendancy for heat to go where there is no heat, all this weather will head pole-ward at increasing speeds. So the ambient air temperature in the equatorial regions will be well above 100F, and the poles will be seeing temperatures fall as low as -150F on a regular basis. Once the hot, moist equatorial air hits the 32F "cold curtain", all this water will condense out, freeze, and fall as ice and snow. For centuries. It will take that long for the temperature gradients to reach a new equilibrium.

Meanwhile, anything above about 42N latitude in most places will become Siberian. Northern Europe, Russia, Canada, Mongolia and Northern China, will all have to "evacuate". A billion people or more will have to move, and move fast. The will also have to find places that won't become desertified. (See below.)

Since the flow of the water will be from equators to poles, most continental areas in lower latitudes will become parched. The worst drought in recorded human history will begin. We could lose as much as 90% of our food supply. The USA would be luckier, losing maybe as much as half.

In addition, we've been using oil so quickly that it's going to become much more expensive to get it out of the ground, real soon. And that also means no more petrochemical nitrogen fertilizer for "Green Revolution" crops.

If you have the resources, check out some of the climatological maps from the peak of the last ice age (about 28,000 years ago) and the Younger-Dryas "little ice age" of 9000 years ago. Four billion people depend on the cropland that will become desert within a decade of a climatic change. The Third World would fall into complete chaos within a year of this hitting. Population control is coming in a much nastier form than anyone expected.

Right now, our options seem to be whether we want a gentle kind of fascism, or a brutal kind of fascism. We have a decade or three to figure this out and make plans.

With any luck, I'm wrong.

--bkl
Two inches forecast tonight for Philly -- the locals are in a panic.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:13 PM
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6. this isn't just fear mongering...
...otherwise Bush* would have it all over the front page. The potential for rapid climate change to disrupt human civialization-- not to mention global ecology-- is real. Add to that our diminishing buffer-- cheap energy-- and you have the recipe for global catastrophe.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:17 PM
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7. Read. Weep.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x381051

The good news is that Humboldt County should not be too hard-hit.

Well, maybe with refugees.

--bkl
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:31 PM
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8. Americans hate this kind of stuff
After the fall of the Soviet Union, lots of people were talking about a greater threat to America than the Reds ever were: Islamic fundamentalist terrorists.

Almost nobody listened because it was too much of a downer. Americans never listen to pessimistic assesments until reality comes up and slaps them in the face.

The reason, I believe is a peculiar kind of optimism that may be what makes America a unique country. (I'm not praising it. I think it's dangerous.)
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