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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:12 PM Original message |
Closed-Loop Ethanol Plant in Mead, Neb, Dec 06 Eliminates Need for Fossil Fuel in ethanol production |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. The Devil's Alchemy!!! |
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Cosby (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Seems they forgot... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Organic agriculture and biofuels can eliminate that... |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And maybe they forgot about the corn that feeds the cows. |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Vegetarianism is a separate issue. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Some people (not you) can't grasp the concept of a closed loop system |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Why? Because you wish to pretend cowshit is free? |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. You stopped eating cows and switched to cow-shit? That explains your posts! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. And of course we know that there's no OTHER shit in the world |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Only the starch content of the corn is used to make alcohol. the protein is recovered |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-08-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Carbohydrates aren't food nutrients? |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. >They start out in a hole |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. energy balance is a farse |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It's interesting to note that the fossil fuelophiles kept talking Energy Balance all the time UNTIL |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Wang was proven wrong.. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. You really have a lot of faith in the principle of the "BIG LIE" don't you? Keep repeating it and |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 07:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Changing your tune?? What Mr Wang says now |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Wang hasn't changed anything in his position. He has maintained for over 10 yrs that energy balance |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-07-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. old report typical |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Oil EROEI numbers |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. THE REAL COST OF GAS - International Center for Technology Assessment (CTA): |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 04:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Yet we still have wars |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. meet the puppet master |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Dick Cheney can violate the laws of thermodyamics? |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. very simple. We have been tapping an energy store - billions upon billions of barrels of it. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. EROEI isn't about efficiency, it's about energy in vs. energy out |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Article says 28,000 cattle will be in the feedlot, and they're feeding them |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. one of the biproducts of ethanol production is dried distillers grains. Only, in this case it's not |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Bad cattle food too.. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Anti-biotics have been given to cattle and chickens for years because they are crammed together in |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Would it be disinformation to suggest that this system is abysmally cruel? |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
33. for those who just arrived from the land of nod - a realitay check - ethanol is energy efficient |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 10:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. SO RIGHT!!! We all know what a waste this is, and how we all |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. Excellent. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-30-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. know how many beef cattle and dairy cows we have in the U.S.? - over 100 million. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. No indication of what happens to the manure after it goes |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. So "the heart of the corn belt" is all that needs consideration? |
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