Rev. Moon son made gun (used in NYC Davis killing) - Kahr Arms

[RamboLiberal]

I never knew till today of Moon's connection to Kahr arms. For this reason I'll never buy a Kahr firearm. But as a gun owner I don't indict the company for Davis' death, but this is an interesting story with some things I'd like to question. For instance how in NY state where it's tough to get a carry license, how did Moon's kid get one as a teen?

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/104259p-94266c.html

The pistol Othniel Askew produced from the scant concealment of his light summer suit to kill Councilman James Davis was a Kahr MK-40 semiautomatic "pocket rocket" designed and manufactured by the son of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon to be at once "super-compact" and super lethal.
"It's a unique design," a spokesman for Kahr Arms of Blauvelt, Rockland County, said Friday. "It's carved out its own niche."

The "m" of MK-40 stands for "micro," as this New York company's gun measures only 5.35 inches. The "40" stands for .40 caliber, a big bullet usually fired by a much larger weapon that an ex-cop such as Davis might have spotted Askew carrying as they walked and talked before the shooting.

By his own account, 33-year-old Kook Jin (Justin) Moon was inspired to design little pocket rockets by his frustration more than a decade ago when he was that rare teen with a state pistol permit.

This scion of a self-proclaimed messiah did not want to go around with some cheap Saturday night special that was easily concealable but fired only a piddling .22- or .25-caliber slug. He shared the passion in the street for the more lethal 9-mm. The problem was size.

"I had been licensed to carry in New York State since I was 18 and had looked for an ultra-compact 9-mm. pistol," Justin later told American Handgunner magazine. "To my chagrin, I could not find a pistol with the quality of construction and features in design which I felt were appropriate for a carry gun. Therefore, I decided to design an ultra-compact 9-mm. pistol that I could carry."

[SpiralHawk]

1. Oh, Oh, trouble for yet another BFP (Bush family pal)

just googled Rev. Moon + Bush.

Be links between these two families are something to behold. Please don't tell anyone. I sure hope the media won't mention the truth here. It would certainly upset a lot of Americans, and we can't have that.

[donsu]

2. Moon is more then a "pal", he's a partner in the bushgang

nt

[arcane1]

3. pal indeed

and then some

hand-in-hand these devils are...

[MrBenchley]

4. Kahr has let guns walk out the door

unaccounted for...

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/summaries/reader/0,2061,553469,00.html

[BoatsTwice]

5. And I'm sure that Kahr in question

just walked itself into NYC City Hall and just began "goin' off" too?:eyes:

A man that set on killing another, and in such close proximity to his unwitting victim, certainly would need not have shot him in the heart of that gun-free utopia.

Must have been the Kahr giving the shooter evil ju-ju mind control waves--its the only explanation for a gun related murder that would never, ever, ever, not in a million years, have happened otherwise.

[MrBenchley]

8. Go pimp for guns

to someone who gives a crap

[BoatsTwice]

10. I'm hearing that broken record again.

Maybe it is time to ignore it?

[MrBenchley]

11. No skin off my nose

I don't see a downside to NOT hearing distorrtion, disinformation and hysteria from gun nuts.

[Withergyld]

12. It goes both ways,

It would be nice to hear something besides all the same old tired arguments of those who will blame a persons actions on an inanimate object. It is oversimplifying the situation to imply that removing ALL firearms will end the violence.

[MrBenchley]

13. Funny

How is pointing out that the corrupt son of the Reverend Moon manufactured the gun this nutcase killed a city councilman with "removing ALL firearms?"

Other than that it shows those who might be undecided what sort of scum make up the gun lobby....

[Withergyld]

14. cry me a river

.

[MrBenchley]

15. I'm not the one crying

it's the gun nuts wailing, as usual...

[Withergyld]

16. do you believe that all gun makers

are scum?

[MrBenchley]

18. Do you think the Reverend Moon's son isn't scum?

The guy who made the Bushmaster that the Beltway sniper used is certainly scum...there's a thread about HIM up in General Discussion this AM.

[Withergyld]

19. I don't know much about Moon Jr

Why don't you enlighten me,

[MrBenchley]

20. And yet you leap to defend the scumbag

because he makes your holy guns.....typical.

You can find out about the whole scummy family in a number of places,,,

http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/f-2a.html

http://www.gunlawsuits.org/docket/casestatus.asp?RecordNo=76

http://www.trancenet.org/moonism/darkmoon.shtml

[Withergyld]

21. where or when did I defend him?

your first and third links talk about the Moon family, I didn't readily see anything specific about Justin Moon in either link. As for the second link, it alleges that Kahr kept poor records and didn't do background checks on employees, however the court has not ruled on the case. Also consider the souce of the second link.

[MrBenchley]

24. Too frigging funny

I consider anything frrom gun nuts hooey...and clearly I have good reason to do so...

[Withergyld]

30. you still haven't shown

that Justin Moon is a scumbag, as I pointed out before two of the links were about his family, not him.

[jhfenton]

33. You'll be waiting for a long time...

if you expect a straight answer.

[MrBenchley]

34. Yeah, surrrre....

The poor Moon family, slandered again...

Who are you trying to kid?

[Withergyld]

38. you're putting words in my mouth

I never said that the Moon family was innocent, I just asked you to show me why you think Justin Moon is a scumbag.

Who are you trying to kid?

[MrBenchley]

41. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

Too frigging funny....

"Indeed, Moon and officials of the church founded by his father insist that Kahr Arms is independent of the Unification Church. A Virginia holding company for some of the Rev. Moon's businesses, One Up Enterprises Inc., said it does not release financial information and did not answer questions about whether it is affiliated with the gun factory.
But corporation papers and interviews with former members familiar with the Moon family's businesses indicate that Kahr Arms and its corporate parent, Saeilo Inc. of Blauvelt, N.Y., have been components of the elder Moon's far-reaching commercial network.
"While Moon's name does not appear on any business documents by virtue of his position as the 'messiah,' he has total operational control, especially in a business that's run by his son," said Larry Zilliox, a Virginia private investigator who specializes in the Moon organization and was the first to link it to the gun business.
Steve Hassan of Somerville, a former Unification Church member who specializes in therapeutic intervention for cult victims, said the church's efforts to distance itself from the gun business while defending Kahr Arms are typical of its rationalization.
"They're still very deceptive, and they still have a very different agenda from what they tell people," said Hassan. "In this case, they now call themselves the World Family Federation for Peace and Unification and they're selling guns." "

http://www.caic.org.au/biblebase/moonies/armsfactory.htm

By the way, Justin's REAL name is Kook Moon...

[Withergyld]

45. nice article

I'm glad they used credible unbiased sources

[Withergyld]

22. I can't find the bushmaster thread

link please

[JayS]

23. I think he is talking about this thread. n/t

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=37857&mesg_id=37857&page=3

[MrBenchley]

25. Jump in, boys...

Be sure and tell them how any public discussion of this scumbag is "taking away your guns."

[Withergyld]

29. I don't see anything in that discussion that

would warrant Mr Dyke to be called a scum bag

[MrBenchley]

35. Be sure and tell them that up there

I'm sure they'll enjoy seeing someone defend that scumbag...

[Withergyld]

39. No one is calling him a scumbag

in the thread referenced above, so why would I need to question it?

[jhfenton]

32. Scumbag?

Now, other than his political affiliation, what in that discussion or article justifies you calling Mr. Dyke a scumbag?

[MrBenchley]

36. Scumbag

The guy props up the party of goons and loons...he engineers an assault rifle specifically designed to evade the assault rifle ban....

Go pimp for him up in GD if you think he's so hot....

[jhfenton]

40. So, let me get this straight,

he's a scumbag because:

1. He's a Republican and supports Republicans. (So much for rational discourse. Let's call our opponents scumbags! That'll show 'em!)

2. A law was passed that says you can't manufacture a weapon with X, and he had the gall to manufacture a weapon without X! (How dare he comply with the law!)

Oh my. What a scumbag!

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[jhfenton]

44. Oh I was just checking

I'm glad to see you admit that you have no real basis for your name calling other than partisan politics. Those with intelligent arguments don't need to stoop to name calling.

[Withergyld]

28. Thanks for the link ntxt

ntxt

[BoatsTwice]

6. Ever see the NYC pistol permit list?

It's a who's who of the politically and economically connected.

"The law is for thee and not for me." ought to be the motto in every municipality that "bans" guns, because the exceptions are invariably buddies and contributors to someone with the political juice to carve out exceptions.

In California, the violent ex-convict Sean Penn has a concealed weapons permit from a very tough permitting jurisdiction if you are a mere prole. In how many "shall issue" jurisdictions do you think that would be possible? He'd be automatically disqualified under most of the statutes I have read from those states.

"May issue" jurisdictions play by looser rules and it shows. NYC's laws did nothing to keep the killer from carrying illegally now did they?

[Tinfoil]

7. That article is complete...

garbage... They wrote an entire article on a GUN for Christ's sake! That would be like writing an entire article on the hammer that Askew used to commit assault.

Write a fucking article on the guy, not the gun. The gun didn't cause this. Is it really that hard to grasp?


No accountability... "the gun did it!!!!"

Oh, the "M stands for Murder" sentence is priceless... Is this person still in middle school? jesus...

[MrBenchley]

9. Cry us a frigging river

How awful that someone should slander gun nuts' loved ones.

[Tinfoil]

46. Benchboy

I don't love guns... I don't think I love any inanimate objects, but whatever. The point is, and I know you won't get it, IT'S THE FUCKING PERSON, NOT THE GUN!!!!!!!!!


You want to talk about social injustice and the collapse of our society due to the insuing violence? That would be a worthwhile conversation that could, perhaps, have a few resolutions. This thread here is a complete waste of bandwidth.

[jhfenton]

17. Kahr Arms, Justin Moon, and Anti-Gun Propoganda

That NYDN article was the typical New York anti-gun propoganda. NYC already has the oppressive gun laws that the antis dream about, but somehow a murderer still killed a councilman. Aren't you amazed that someone contemplating murder would think of violating NYC's strict concealed carry law? Didn't Askew know that he didn't have a permit to carry that firearm?

As for Kahr Arms and Justin Moon, they make high quality firearms for both law enforcement and civilian concealed carry. (I casually met Justin Moon in college -- we both graduated from Harvard in 1992.) I personally own a Kahr MK-9, the 9mm version of the MK-40 described in the article. It is solid stainless steel, rather heavy, but beautifully machined. It is my summer gun, for pocket holster carry in shorts and a t-shirt. The article's claims that a larger gun might've been detected are absurd. In a suit, even a "light summer suit," it is easy to conceal even a fullsize handgun in an inside-the-waist-band holster. The reporter just wanted to trot out the "pocket rocket" slogan and villify a fine NY company.

[MrBenchley]

26. "Boo hoo hoo! They're picking on guns! Boo hoo hoo!"

It's a scummy company that's been engaged in criminal activity, owned by a right wing loony who claims to be the Messiah.

[jhfenton]

27. Kahr Arms

Actually, the company belongs to the son of the "right wing loony who claims to be the Messiah."

Anyway, go peddle it to someone dumb enough to believe the VPC party line.

Oh, wait, that's your line.

[MrBenchley]

37. Yeah. surrrrrre...

The Messiah didn't bankroll him, I'm sure....

[jhfenton]

43. The Messiah

Bankroll, yes. That's well-established. Run the company? Who knows. I don't really give a darn. They make quality firearms. My MK9 is a tiny beauty, solid stainless steel, matte finish, complete with Rosewood grips.

[jody]

31. Moon and the Kahr connection are old news. The more important

question is why did AWOL allow Moon to build an automotive assembly plant in North Korea?
March 25, 2002 "Unification Church opens car plant in North Korea"

Was it because of the Bush-Moon connection, even though Moon is a convicted crimnal?
"The Bush-Kim-Moon Triangle of Money"