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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:14 PM
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BBC - HRC, "we need to put more teeth in the law, try to prohibit the sale outside of our borders"
I wonder how she'll manage to do that without imposing restrictions internally.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/americas/7966427.stm

Xela
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:22 PM
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1. Another choice quote..
..also shown on the MSNBC piece..

"During that time," said Mrs Clinton, "police in America were able to drive down crime because they didn't have to worry about these assault weapons getting into the hands of criminals and gang members. "

Riiiiiight. As if there weren't 'ban compliant' versions of every weapon in the AWB available before the ban took effect.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 06:24 PM
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13. There's a reason...
...I have this particular comic in my sigline.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:48 PM
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17. Not to mention the upcomming ban caused spikes in sales.
We ended up with LOTS more *assault* guns in civilian hands BECAUSE of the AWB. Sales were like triple what they had been in previous years.
I guess I had never thought of it before. Currently we don't have any ban, but we have a constant threat of a ban. Sales are crazy as a result. We are all buying more guns now than we ever thought we would. I know I am.
Still having a hard finding mags for the rifles I'd never had any intention of buying. Weird.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:23 PM
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2. Penis-Americans are really obsessed with this law. nt
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:44 PM
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7. We have a winnah!
It only took 2 replies to get to phalluses (phalli?)! A new record for DU's Gungeon.

I hereby present Captain Hilts with-
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 02:04 PM
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8. I want to thank all my friends for voting me this fine award...
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 04:42 PM
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10. I wonder when the gun control freaks...
will attempt to regulate penis size since they seem totally obsessed with the subject.

If they do they'll use terms like "assault penis", "Saturday night penis" and the dreaded "cop killer" penis.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 06:21 PM
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12. A "cop killer penis" to be honest sounds like a lot of fun.
You'd have gay and female cops lining up, I think.
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:12 AM
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20. "Cop Killer Penis"...
It's a self-inflicted thing, mostly. That part of the human anatomy has ended more Law Enforcement careers than all the others combined.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:13 PM
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14. I never have understood why gun grabbers love penises so much.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 12:05 PM
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21. Yeah, we can't get them to stop trying to enact it again. (n/t)
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:25 PM
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3. Yeah, if we want to be batshit crazy and allow outselves to be murdered, at least spare others.
It's irrelevant whether it could be done without imposing internal restrictions -- there should be internal restrictions.
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:43 PM
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6. The are already plenty of restrictions in the books...
As has been stated before.

The trick is to enforce them effectively.

What she's asking is to risk loosing the gains from the past election. If she continues with this nonsense, the centre-left will lose this opportunity to deal with more pressing matters.

Xela
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 05:06 PM
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11. Some 22,000 restrictions aren't enough?
There are already over 22,000 (give or take a few) Federal, state and local gun laws. That doesn't include the one in state legislatures this week either. Which specific law do yo think will make the difference?

We just defeated two more gun control laws here in Illinois this week. Thank heavens for our downstate Dems!
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:37 PM
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4. With key members like Biden, HRC, Holder, Kerlikowske, Emanuel to sprinkle gun-grabber propaganda in
their speeches, I doubt very much that Obama can distance himself from his past record of supporting gun-ban legislation even though he promised as a candidate "I will not take your shotgun away, I won't take your rifle away, I will not take your handgun away".
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:38 PM
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5. Exporting firearms is ALREADY STRICTLY REGULATED
WTF is she blathering about now?
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 02:13 PM
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9. don't you love creative incompetence?
"........the U.S. Department of State has authority over defense articles and defense services. A list of other agencies involved in export controls can be found on this Web site or in Supplement No. 3 to Part 730 of the EAR which is available on the Government Printing Office Web site."

Export 101

Isn't the Secretary of State already in charge of of the State Department? Aren't shipments of military weapons to anyone outside the US already under the HRC's watchful eye?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:14 PM
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15. what a dumbass!
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:29 PM
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16. That's why I didn't vote for her.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 10:14 AM
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18. Me too, I voted for Barack Obama in the California primary
HRC did win that BTW. But we know that there are a lot of dumb voters in my state.
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 11:11 AM
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19. Not "Dumb"...
They're just not as discerning as they should be.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 01:41 PM
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22. The whole name of the game is to outlaw assault rifles...
The drug gangs and the corruption in Mexico are the excuse.

Occasionally you read a report that tells the truth of where the drug gangs get their weapons, but rest assured that these reports will be unusual and suppressed by the media and the government. For example:

Most of these weapons are being smuggled from Central American countries or by sea, eluding U.S. and Mexican monitors who are focused on the smuggling of semiauto- matic and conventional weapons purchased from dealers in the U.S. border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

The proliferation of heavier armaments points to a menacing new stage in the Mexican government's 2-year-old war against drug organizations, which are evolving into a more militarized force prepared to take on Mexican army troops, deployed by the thousands, as well as to attack each other.

These groups appear to be taking advantage of a robust global black market and porous borders, especially between Mexico and Guatemala. Some of the weapons are left over from the wars that the United States helped fight in Central America, U.S. officials said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-arms-race15-2009mar15,0,229992.story

There is no doubt that we need to enforce existing laws against any individuals or dealers who smuggle weapons into Mexico, but disarming our people will only make life easier for these ruthless thugs.

At the same time there is no reason to give up our Second Amendment rights to own semi-auto firearms merely because other countries such as Mexico are a cesspool of corruption and violence.

For many years the borders between Mexico and the United States have been very porous which facilitated the movement of illegal drugs into our country for enormous profit. The blame can be laid at the foot of the Bush administration which concentrated on stopping threats from Iraq rather than recognize the very real problem from Mexico. Now it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.

Our "drug war" is a total failure and I suspect many officials, individuals and politicians in our country have profited by fighting this war and ignoring the border.

We would be far better off by considering legalizing some drugs and reducing the profit motive. The failure to do this might lead to the collapse of the government of Mexico and a consequent human disaster that will send an enormous number of refugees into our nation.

Mexico has very strict gun laws and the population has suffered at the hands of criminal drug gangs. Since I doubt we will ever change our drug laws, disarming our citizens may well lead to the cartels extending their influence and terrorism into our country.

We have some serious choices to make in the near future. Continuing to fight the "drug war" without looking realistically at the results and playing political games with "assault weapons" will only exasperate the problem.

If I were able to make the choices, I would concentrate the efforts of the U.S. government on organized drug gangs in our country. I would treat them as terrorists (which they are). I would put enough law enforcement or military on the border to stop or greatly reduce smuggling. I would legalize some drugs. Rather than impose draconian gun laws on honest citizens, I would focus my efforts on criminals who misuse guns. I would also change our immigration policies to allow more legal immigrants to enter our country.

I definitely would not play political games with the problems our country faces. The problems are far too serious for the typical political approach this country has adopted over the last few decades.






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