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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 03:04 PM Original message |
ABC news...Gun Control Isn't Crime Control |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm amazed that in 2009 guys are still walking around with '70's porn star mustaches |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is an OPINION piece by corporate teabagger John Stossel. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Its pretty clearly that it is an OpEd. He is aslo correct in his analysis |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. It certainly isn't clear from the subject. Quite the opposite in fact. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. If you never read an opinion that differs from yours... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Dude, I post on the gungeon |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Your opinion...that's fair. (n/t) |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It's more than an opinion |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Thanks for the research. (n/t) |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. The opinion is that gun laws caused a rise in crime |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Truly reasonable gun control measures... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. So... in some cases gun control IS crime control |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Some gun control is indeed crime control... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Reporting of crimes hasn't improved in the UK, it's gone down. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I've never seen any study that backs up your claim |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The Guardian had a recent article on it. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
73. do let us know whether it was about GUN crime |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. In about 2003, the Brits switched over to a new method of tallying those crimes |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. don't hate the playa, hate the fact that the article is true |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. well, yes, you *could* argue this is John Stossel, |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I did point it out, which saved you the problem of researching... |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. already have, thanks! Only in the gungeon is Stossel considered "credible!" |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Yes, because it's not possible for Stossel to be right about anything, ever.....*snark* |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. well, you're certainly free to rush to his defense ("snark") |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
56. And you're certainly free to view the world as black and white... |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Some of us don't view him as a credible source. You obviously do. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Cute.. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. well, of course, you are the "decider" as to when he "hits the nail on the head" |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Hahaha, you're funny! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. is it getting lonely in there |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It fits on a bumper sticker, so it must be true |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Same as ""Handguns are only designed to kill"...(n/t) |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Not true. With careful aim, you can use them to scramble eggs. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. O.K., my reply... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Target shooting, plinking, collecting. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Those are what you use them for, not what they're designed for |
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E-Mag (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. no they are designed to shoot a bullet (N/T) |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Nice try. Shooting a bullet is a means, not an end. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Guns were designed to shoot bullets, cars were designed to drive. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. So there's no conceptual difference between a Glock and a target pistol |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I'm pretty sure Heller shot that idea down. Besides Glock makes several target pistols. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Irrelevant. |
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E-Mag (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. They are a tool |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The Constitution is never irrelevant. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Someone who carries a firearm for protection may need more than one shot. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Target pistols are rarely single-shot NT |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Glock makes target pistols NT |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I have a nice Browning Buckmark, pretty much a plinking handgun. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
53. Far from it... |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Then prove that statement wrong. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. That's actually incredibly easy. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Hint: If they kept their guns they would be outlaws. You fail. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Are pot smokers "outlaws"? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. If they are breaking the law then they are outlaws, it's really not that hard. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:09 AM Original message |
But apparently keeping context in one's head for more that 3 posts is |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
48. I'm not sure what's wrong with you tonight, you are usually sharper than this. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. Because that's not what we're discussing |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. It is quite amazing that you are able to screw up something so simple. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. It is quite amazing that you still think it's simple |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. If all else fails, grasp at the out-of-context straw |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. You may want to look up the phrases "grasping and straws" and "out-of-context" |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
70. No thanks. No matter how foolish it made you look, you'd deny |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Um wouldn't not turning them in be a crime. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. So this slogan means that cops and military personnel would also be stripped of their firearms? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. gun-crime 60% higher than UK.gov says |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
44. This really needs it's own thread. |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
46. John Stossel is not a reputable source for anything. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. The government in the UK is to be trusted though, eh. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
77. as compared to the Daily Telegraph, fer sher |
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pacman77 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
54. disagree with that |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 06:18 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. If by "kids" you mean the gang members with guns, they have heroin, too. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
61. Sorry, I need a better source. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Then do it.... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Was that link working when you posted it? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Sorry about that... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. oooh, aaah, it's the Daily Telegraph! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
75. the utter bullshit of it |
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