Man shoots neighbor over Dumped Leaves

[RamboLiberal]

BOSTON -- A Randolph man pleaded not guilty to armed assault with intent to murder after police said he shot his neighbor over a leaf-dumping dispute.

Christopher Leonard was released Monday on $20,000 bail following his arraignment in Quincy District Court.

Police said the 38-year-old shot his neighbor John Rota in the stomach Friday when they got into an argument over the disposal of leaves near their Randolph homes.

Authorities said Rota was taken to Boston Medical Center and later released.

Rota told police that Leonard always carried his gun, even when cutting the lawn or playing with the kids in the yard.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO126170/#

Police said Christopher Leonard, 38, of Pleasant Street, was arguing with his neighbor about their properties Friday, Oct. 2, at about 10 p.m. when he took out a 9-millimeter handgun and shot his neighbor in the stomach.

Leonard was charged with one count each of armed assault with attempt to murder, failure to secure a high capacity firearm, and discharging a firearm within 500 feet of a dwelling.

Police said they found the loaded handgun believed to have been used to shoot Rota in a basket on top of the refrigerator in Leonard's home. At least 12 other weapons were found, including handguns and shotguns, along with ammunition in a weapons safe in Leonard's master bedroom and basement.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/randolph/news/x1699614616/Neighbor-charged-with-attempted-murder-on-Pleasant-St



Say goodbye to your freedom, your guns & your carry license dumbass!

[rd_kent]

1. And your point?

Im sure its something like "see, a legal gun owner blah blah blah...must do something...more gun laws....more gun control..." Am I right?

[RamboLiberal]

2. If your look up my posts here you will see I'm pro-gun ownership

But I will post when some dumbass uses a gun wrongly as well.

Most who have carry licenses will never break the law - but then there are idiots like this jerk.

You know I could've posted this up in GD & waited till the mods dumped it here.

[rd_kent]

5. OK, just checking

When I see a story like that with no follow up commentary by the poster, I get suspicious. My apologies...

[RamboLiberal]

No problem

My suspicion on jerks like this is I have to wonder if he's a RWingnut worried about Obama taking his guns and a bit paranoid.

I think jerks like this are the ones who cause problems for the rest of us who own guns for self-defense and want to have the right to carry.

That being said - I was thinking you could come in my house & except for the DU, Obama, & Democratic stickers & signs from the guns & ammo wonder if I'm a Freeper. :evilgrin:

[spin]

8. It's rare when someone with a carry permit misuses it...

but it does happen.

While I favor the right to own firearms and "shall issue" concealed carry, I see no problem with pointing out articles such as this.

Pro-gunners are quick to post articles about the justified use of weapons. We can post some about misuse of firearms. It's not going to kill our argument.

All gun owners with carry licenses are not angels.

[paulsby]

16. that's my experience

i've been a cop for 20 + yrs, and most of that time i have been on the street. i can't recall any incident offhand where a person with a CCW committed a crime with their firearm.

i did have a guy once who was accused of brandishing a firearm at a kid. he did have a carry permit, and the gun on him. i arrested him, took him to the station, and he gave a detailed statement that laid out an excellent self-defense case for himself. i released him after the statement and the prosecutors nolle pros'd it because they agreed he had a strong self defense case.

that's the closest to a crime i've seen from a CCw'er.

and i've been to dozens of shootings, been in some myself.

[uh clem]

18. All gun owners with carry licenses are not angels.

Many things have been outlawed or restricted because a handful of people can't handle responsibility. In the case of guns I think it's justified.

[spin]

20. The overwhelming majority of people with carry licenses use firearms responsibly

but there always are exceptions.

Somebody slips through the process.

If you take away concealed carry licenses, we will just have tragic stories about people who once had one and were severely injured or killed because all the licenses were revoked.

[uh clem]

22. Fear mongering?

I doubt any more would die.

[spin]

24. Statistically the change would not be enormous...

but to victims, statistics are unimportant.

Seriously, imagine the newspaper stories if someone was a victim of a crime and had a concealed carry permit that was revoked. Or imagine a TV interview with a woman who had been raped, tearfully saying that if she could have legally carried her handgun as she had once been able to, she could have successfully resisted the attack.

You say, "Many things have been outlawed or restricted because a handful of people can't handle responsibility. In the case of guns I think it's justified."

I would counter that many more people successfully use firearms for self defense then are injured or killed by legal firearm owners, especially concealed weapons permit holders.

The great majority of these encounters never make the news or appear in statistical data bases.

But your have your viewpoint and I seriously doubt that anything I can say will change it. I have my beliefs on gun control and they are rock solid.

Fortunately, I doubt that concealed carry will be overturned or that guns will be outlawed. The tide has been swinging in favor of the pro-gun viewpoint for years and the Supreme Court appears to be on the pro-gun side.

I would suggest that if you want to reduce the homicide rate in this country, people like you and me could work together to target criminal gangs and improve existing gun control laws. I would like to see the NICS background check being required for all sales of firearms in this country, including private sales. I also would like to see the relatively insignificant crime of carrying a firearm illegally being viewed as very serious and not subject to plea bargaining. Five to ten might do the trick, no parole and no time off for good behavior. Not many criminals would risk carrying a gun around of a regular basis, and those who did would end up behind bars for a long time.

[uh clem]

17. The point is...

...that any situation can escalate to tragedy very quickly when guns are easily accessible. Yes, what we need is more gun control and not more guns.

[X_Digger]

19. A majority disagree with you

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123596/In-U.S.-Record-Low-Support-Stricter-Gun-Laws.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup finds a new low of 44% of Americans saying the laws covering firearm sales should be made more strict. That is down 5 points in the last year and 34 points from the high of 78% recorded the first time the question was asked, in 1990.

[uh clem]

21. How is that...

...a reply to my comment?

[X_Digger]

23. You said - "Yes, what we need is more gun control and not more guns."

Just pointing out that you are in the minority now.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. He carried a gun instead of a "I am a meathead" sign.

The sign is much preferred.

[Ian David]

4. I live right near this dude. I'm gonna drive there and dump my leaves on his yard.

Who else is with me?

[izquierdista]

7. I don't have any leaves

Can I dump there anyway?

[Tim01]

6. I wonder how long these two have been feuding with each other.

This kind of thing is usually just the latest, most violent, incident in a long history of bad blood. Not excusing anything, just sayin'.

My aunt and uncle got into one of these a while back. It climaxed when the neighbor and my uncle were in the street. The neighbor started swinging a baseball bat at my uncle, my aunt turned loose the attack trained doberman.
Neighbor ran for his house, everybody called the cops. That was the end of it until they moved.

[Ineeda]

10. I only have one horrible neighbor - who I shun.

98% range from fabulous to so-so. I'm always cordial to the other 2% who are assholes and they don't know how to handle it.

[givemebackmycountry]

9. Leonard always carried his gun, even when cutting the lawn or playing with the kids in the yard.

What a man
What a man
What a manly man...

God, the stupid it burns...

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. Raking leaves at 10 pm isn't such a good idea.....

....and dumbass Christopher is a very good shot, evidently.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

12. More evidence why .40 or .45 is a better round to carry than 9mm

A center of mass shot and the victim is simply treated and released.
Time for me to upgrade to the Glock 23.

[JonQ]

13. He has a valid reason

the man was trying to take away chris' right to bare lawns.

[depakid]

14. A bit like the snowball fight shooting

Mon, Oct. 5, 2009

Philly jury gets fatal snowball shooting case

A jury is deciding the fate of a Philadelphia man who fatally shot a teenager after a snowball fight.

Deliberations began Monday in the trial of 25-year-old Jose Omar Mendez. He is charged with killing 15-year-old Teven Rutledge after a snowball fight on Feb. 24, 2008.

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/state/pennsylvania/20091005_ap_phillyjurygetsfatalsnowballshootingcase.html

[russ1943]

15. Reminds me of..........

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania • January 27, 2000.
Louis Mockewich, 34, shot and killed a
neighbor who was shoveling snow behind his row house. The two neighbors were arguing over
where the victim was placing the snow, and Mockewich's responded by pulling out his gun, for
which he had a CCW license, and shooting the 31-year-old man. The victim also had a CCW
license.