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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 04:34 AM Original message |
Yet another family tragedy west of Portland |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 04:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Wow, how many is this now? Something needs to be done. |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 04:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Sadly, people who keep guns for self defense or sport think it could never happen to them |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 06:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. ...or a knife, or a car, or a bat, or a hammer, or a.....n/t |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
49. ... all of them commonly used |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I suggest you read "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. That book is just brilliant. And especially his section on stalkers |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
50. "intervene" |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. None of these things are necessarily true of the general public. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. So are you suggesting intelegence tests for basic rights now? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Rational people do not slaughter their families. Stricter licensing and |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Rational people snap. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
42. While I'm not opposed to that idea in the abstract... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. isn't that what the NRA is for? |
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taurus145 (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Applying your reasoning on Mr. Garnett in the UK |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
46. "Rational people do not slaughter their families" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. People who have been adjudicated as mentally incompetent already can't have guns under federal law |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. and yet victims don't have to prove |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Agreed |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 05:26 AM Response to Original message |
3. Let's look at some other murder-suicide stories in the recent news |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Not denying the pro-gun arguments but what about my post is false? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. The idea that gun owners are liable to "snap" in a way that non-gun owners aren't |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Never said gun owners are more, nor less, likely to 'snap.' |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. More statistics |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. The problem with your numbers, though.... |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Your point is that |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Look at the numbers in Australia. |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. On this we totally agree: |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Good deal. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. To reinforce eqfan592's point |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Excellent post! (n/t) |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Agreed, GREAT post!! (nt) |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. A Gun is a vastly more efficient method of mass destruction that a knife. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Guns are a vastly more effective means of self defense, as well. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Yet five police officers will riddle a suspect with bullets, if he waves a knife at them. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. This is true. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. I believe we were discussing domestic murder-suicides |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
7. OMFG, 3 deaths out've the 40-50 US average per day, did you have a point? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Two sets of preventable tragedies but for gun proliferation... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. And what suggestions do you have to stop gun proliferation? (n/t) |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Yep, murder-suicides just CANNOT happen without guns... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. How about knife proliferation... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. But Americans killed with guns are deader than Australians killed with knives! |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Wait, I forgot. They don't like discussing the murders their countrymen commit. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. After all firearms are the only way for anyone to kill anyone else or themselves. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Ergo, they are not preventable. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Bullshit |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. Ok, that's a tragedy. Why shouldn't law-abiding, sane people be allowed to have guns? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 07:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. OP has the Rep Carolyn McCarthy syndrome |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Let me try to head off the obvious response to that |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Well said. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Incidentally, I think you're confusing Susan Smith and Andrea Yates |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Thanks for the info. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
37. Are all the victims of violence who didn't have firearms to protect themselves your legacy? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. Play the roulette wheel |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
44. This was where? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
48. They were MURDERED! By a PERSON!!! |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. By persons who wouldn't likely have done so without easy access to guns |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Not believing your assertion is not the same as not understanding it |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Denialists and idiots- hard to tell the difference |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You're right, it doesnt. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Some people would prefer to ignore or elide these sorts of things |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. So which one are you? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 03:12 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Argue for useless crap in your country |
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