Accidentally Showing Gun Not A Crime, Says Fla. Legislature ...

[spin]

TALLAHASEE – (CBS4) – Accidentally showing a concealed weapon will no longer be a crime.

As soon as Gov. Rick Scott signs the bill into law, the wind blowing a man’s sport coat and inadvertently revealing a concealed weapon won’t be a third-degree misdemeanor as it had been in the past.

The bill was passed by a vote of 99-17 Wednesday.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/accidentally-showing-gun-not-a-crime-says-fla-legislature/

Note: The picture with the article shows open carry ... not an accidental display. Honesty in the media strikes again.

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[onehandle]

1. Conservatives are AWESOME!

If only a talent like Governor Scott could ascend to the Presidency... again.

Sigh.

[jpak]

7. Teabagging GOP Douchebags Rule!!!111

:rofl:

[spin]

8. My representive in the Florida House who is a Democrat voted for the bill ...

He's proud to support RKBA. (And wise too.)

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[spin]

10. If he didn't support RKBA in the area I live, a Republican would have been elected ...

If more Democrats supported RKBA there would be far fewer Republicans in office.

[jpak]

11. What's the difference here?

:shrug:

[spin]

13. Where's here?

[Name removed]

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[spin]

26. Many Democrats are in favor of the Second Amendment and RKBA ...

Glance through this NRA ratings list for the U.S. House and you will notice a number of Democrats who received high ratings from the NRA.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?r_id=3492

NRA Support For Democrats In Key Midterm Races Frustrating GOP
By Ben Pershing
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 6, 2010; 10:49 PM

Not a lot of things have gone the Democrats' way this year, but dozens of their House candidates are getting a late boost from an unusual source: the National Rifle Association.

So far this year, the NRA has endorsed 58 incumbent House Democrats, including more than a dozen in seats that both parties view as critical to winning a majority.

The endorsements aren't the result of a sudden love for a party with which the NRA is often at odds. Rather, the powerful group adheres to what it calls "an incumbent-friendly" policy, which holds that if two candidates are equally supportive of gun rights, the incumbent gets the nod.

The policy has been in place for some time, and the NRA has always backed a number of Democrats, but the group's choices have become especially contentious this year because control of Congress is at stake and because so many gun-supporting Democrats were elected over the past four years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/06/AR2010100603363.html

Part of the problem with our party is that many of us insist that being a Democrat means being against the Second Amendment or in favor of draconian gun control laws. We fail to understand that a Democrat can be pro-gun and still support the important issues that our party feels will move this country in a better direction. Issues such as a fair healthcare system, better education for our youth, improved environmental laws, better job opportunities and insuring that the rich pay a fair share of the taxes. We often nominate candidates who favor gun control measures proposed by the Brady Campaign because we lack understanding of the shooting sports and have an unrealistic fear of honest and responsible firearm owners.

Those who own firearms and enjoy the sport of shooting look at lists as in the link above and if they see the the Democratic candidate for office has an "F" rating from the NRA, they show up at the polls to vote for the Republican who has an "A" rating. They are single issue voters because they have a considerable amount of money and time invested in their hobby.

If both the Republican candidate and the Democratic candidate have high ratings, gun owners may take the time to look further and consider other issues and often vote for the Democrat.

A Democrat with an "A" rating from the NRA is still a Democrat and is a far better choice than a Republican.

[iverglas]

27. gosh, I've been sent to kindergarten

You weren't really talking to me though, were you?


A Democrat with an "A" rating from the NRA is still a Democrat and is a far better choice than a Republican.

Name one, and I'll show you why that isn't necessarily or even likely so. I've done it before, and I can do it again.


We fail to understand that a Democrat can be pro-gun and still support the important issues that our party feels will move this country in a better direction. Issues such as a fair healthcare system, better education for our youth, improved environmental laws, better job opportunities and insuring that the rich pay a fair share of the taxes.

Largely because while that may be a theoretical possibility (sort of like alternate time lines), it just doesn't happen in practice.

[spin]

29. Name one good Democrat with an "A" rating...O.K., I'll give you one with an "A+" rating ...

John Dingell


John David Dingell, Jr. (born July 8, 1926) is the U.S. Representative for Michigan's 15th congressional district, serving since 1955 (his district was first in western Detroit but has successively moved further into that city's western suburbs). He is a member of the Democratic Party.

He is currently the Dean of the U.S. House of Representatives. He is also the longest currently-serving member of Congress,<1> the longest to serve exclusively in the House ever, and the third longest serving member of Congress ever.

***snip***

Dingell is generally classified as a liberal Democrat, and throughout his career he has been a leading congressional supporter of organized labor, social welfare measures and traditional progressive policies. At the beginning of every Congress, Dingell introduces a bill providing for a national health insurance system, the same bill that his father proposed while he was in Congress. Dingell also strongly supported Bill Clinton's managed-care proposal early in his administration

***snip***

An avid sportsman and hunter, he strongly opposes gun control, and is a former board member of the National Rifle Association. For many years, Dingell has received an A+ rating from the NRA.emphasis added

Rep. Dingell with President Kennedy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dingell

Biography

On January 5, 2011, John D. Dingell was officially sworn in for his 29th full term in the U.S. House of Representatives. Dingell proudly represents Michigan’s Fifteenth Congressional District, which includes parts of Wayne and Washtenaw County and all of Monroe County

***snip***

During the 111th Congress, Dingell had a lead role in crafting national health insurance reform legislation, and authored the Patient’s Bill of Rights. He also was the lead author of the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, the landmark reform to overhaul the nation’s food safety system by improving the capacity of FDA and manufacturers to prevent food safety problems and empowering them to detect and immediately respond to food-borne illness outbreaks. Dingell also authored legislation that that dramatically improves drug safety by strengthening FDA's ability to monitor the safety of drugs after they are on the market.

Dingell is known as “America’s Watchdog” for his relentless pursuit of exposing waste, fraud and abuse in government and the private sector through vigorous oversight. Few legislators can demonstrate a record of fighting government waste and corporate corruption like Congressman Dingell. A leader in the effort to toughen corporate accountability both before and after the Enron and WorldCom accounting scandals, Dingell has also taken the lead in exposing government waste and abuses of tax dollars, including the investigation of no-bid defense contracts in Iraq and the BP oil spill.

Over the last five decades, Dingell has authored numerous renowned laws protecting our health and our environment, as well as the rights of workers and consumers. One notable legislative accomplishment is the 1990 Clean Air Act, which is credited with cleaning up the air we breathe, while preserving American competitiveness and protecting American jobs. He also fought to pass revolutionary legislation such as the Endangered Species Act; as well as laws affecting America's most pressing needs like the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) and the Mammography Quality Standards Act, all of which he authored.
http://dingell.house.gov/about/biography.shtml

[TheWraith]

33. I'll give you another couple Dems with high NRA ratings.

Kirsten Gillibrand. Currently my favorite Senator, the lady crusading to repeal DOMA, and a big supporter of single payer healthcare.

Howard Dean. Who got the NRA endorsement no less than EIGHT times in his career.

[iverglas]

36. you guys pick cherries very well

Wanna give us some of the ones from lower down the barrel now?

[TheWraith]

40. In other words, you were wrong, but you won't admit it.

What happened to your assertion that the existence of gun-friendly liberals "just doesn't happen"?

[iverglas]

45. in other words, I knew someone would go all literal-minded on me

I'm not actually stupid, and I do know perfectly well who Howard Dean is.

Now if you care to offer up some of the lesser lights for examination, to spare me doing the searches to find the ones I've examined before ...

[iverglas]

35. who runs against him?

I have oft said that the NRA isn't stupid and knows which side its bread is buttered on. Little point in supporting a losing Republican against a Democratic shoe-in, eh?

On the litmus test, and it really is the best one, his record looks not all that bad:

http://www.ontheissues.org/MI/John_Dingell.htm

although for some reason NARAL doesn't think so.

Ah, the outliers. And this guy is certainly one. Blind spots. To promote health care while ignoring the costs of firearms violence to the health care system, and to people's well-being in general ...

[spin]

41. I find I agree with his views on most issues...

The chart from your link does a good job of showing his position on the issues.

John Dingell is a Hard-Core Liberal.
http://www.ontheissues.org/MI/John_Dingell.htm#Gun_Control

[iverglas]

46. I linked to that piece of crap?

Forgive me. I don't make a practice of linking to loonytarian nonsense.

I wonder how he'd fare at politicalcompass. Reasonably well still, I expect.

Many people have blind spots. My man Joe has one when it comes to reproductive rights. It's just not likely to do any harm. Dingell's is.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

52. If more Democrats supported RKBA there would be far fewer Republicans in office.

yup.

[iverglas]

53. if more Democrats opposed women's reproductive rights

you'd have a cakewalk.

It's so easy, innit??

[Tuesday Afternoon]

55. actually, how about

If more Repubs supported women's reproductive rights they could have a cake walk.

abortion rights have been to the Repubs what gun control has been to the Dems.

both parties need to put these 2 issues behind them, imo.

[iverglas]

57. no no no

We want Democrats to win

................. um, don't we?



abortion rights have been to the Repubs what gun control has been to the Dems.

What nonsense! Opposing reproductive rights is how the right wing wins, and it really isn't seemly to twist that one around.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

61. actually

pro gun is what helps Repubs win. The anti abortionists is what has caused them to lose a lot of support.

[iverglas]

62. and that blatant assertion

is all the proof I need!

Hey, two blatant assertions. Well that is proof positive.

:rofl:

[Tuesday Afternoon]

63. I let you be the queen of Cut, Copy and Paste and BullShit

I just call 'em like I see 'em.

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[aikoaiko]

60. Some Democrats voted for this too.

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[RaleighNCDUer]

2. Maybe he accidentally forgot to put on his jacket. nt

[ManiacJoe]

3. Incorrect picture used for the article.

That is a pic of someone open carrying.

[spin]

5. Honesty in the media. (n/t)

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. It wouldn't be if he was wearing a jacket. nt

[ManiacJoe]

17. Obviously, that was the picture they could not find.

[spin]

4. I don't think the cops will buy that excuse. (n/t)

[iverglas]

15. and who among us hasn't done that??

Maybe he slept in his clothes, just in case a burglar broke in, not wanting to greet the burglar in his jammies, and forgot he had the gun on when he woke up.

Like that woman caught with a handgun in her purse at Disneyland. She forgot it was there.

Gobsmacking.

[iverglas]

14. if this kind of stupid crap

were what my provincial legislators were spending their time on, I'd be pounding a lot of pavement to get rid of them in the approaching election.

Up here, the provincial legislatures do things like handle health care and education and social services. I know, we're just weird.

[oneshooter]

24. Why should we care what you do in Canukland? n/t

[iverglas]

28. hahahaha

Because we have a functioning economy maybe, for starters.

And we aren't spending more than we earn on foreign wars.

And gay and lesbian couples can marry, and women can decide on their own medical treatment, and oh yes, they get it free of charge, just like anybody else.

And I could go on and on.

You could learn a thing or two, y'see.

What governments can do when they're not fretting about the "rights" of morons walking around with weapons strapped to their body.

But you feel free to stay on the course to wherever the hell you're going down there these days.

[rl6214]

34. Yeah and who really gives a rats ass

Did you think you were posting this on the canadian democratic underground?

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[Straw Man]

44. Hmm.

On the actual progressive Canadian forum I'm quite familiar with, 90% of the posters here would be banned their first time out!

Of course, 90% of the posters in this forum are banned here while still in double digits anyhow.

:rofl:


edit

I see somebody in this thread just bit the dust in the last short while.

I think that makes about 5 that I've noticed in the last couple of days.

Huh.

Interesting rhetorical strategy. Soon there will be nobody left but you.

[iverglas]

47. yeah, hmm

You post some simple facts, and suddenly they're gone.

Interesting rhetorical strategy. Soon there will be nobody left but you.

Nah, there will always be new ones. Or ... something.

[cleanhippie]

48. Speaking of those who "bit the dust" as you so eloquently put it, I notice many of YOUR posts

seem to have been deleted...............

:shrug:



Pot, meet kettle.

[iverglas]

49. yeah, ain't it fun?

But I wasn't talking about posts, was I?

"before 2003" and counting, here!

[cleanhippie]

51. Wooo wooo wooo wooo! DOes that make you special or something?

I'm betting on "or something"

[cleanhippie]

50. And the REALLY strange thing is, it's been pretty civil in here up until a few days ago.....

Coincidence?

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[cleanhippie]

56. Tsk tsk tsk.

"Respect of the other participants STARTS with being sincere and candid. Not much of those around here."



Yeah, and judging by your posts, you must be talking to a mirror.

[iverglas]

58. um

Respect of the other participants STARTS with being sincere and candid. Not much of those around here.
Yeah, and judging by your posts, you must be talking to a mirror.

That being the only way to find a sincere and candid interlocutor around here?

Well 'tweren't me who said it.

[cleanhippie]

59. Hahahahaha!

You ARE funny!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

65. coincidence? .... I think not.

there is a troll amongst us. May it eat pizza and soon.

[iverglas]

66. pretty civil discourse

there is a troll amongst us

Pretty funny.

"Irony" is a much abused word, but sometimes it just springs to mind!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

68. I am a registered Democrat. You are .... oh yeah ...

you are a Canadian, in here to disrupt from what I can see. Not for me to decide.

[iverglas]

71. Moi?

I'm a card-carrying member of the New Democratic Party, a former candidate for the New Democratic Party, and a New Democratic Party voter.

www.politicalcompass.org





Now go tell the USAmericans insulting my party at this website to stfu, will you?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

72. You have insulted, condescended and disrupted

and then you have the audacity to ask me to do you a favor.................

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

again let me say that you have my pity. Good Day and Good Luck!

[iverglas]

73. favour?

Sauce, goose, gander. You seem to forget what words of yours I was actually replying to:

I am a registered Democrat. You are .... oh yeah ...
you are a Canadian, in here to disrupt from what I can see. Not for me to decide.

You don't like it, there are a whole lot of places on the net where you can tell your fellow USAmericans to stop their unseemly insulting of Canadians on matters that are none of their business.

Articles and comments about firearms on sites like the cbc.ca are good places to start, if you need pointing.

Remember that you're the one using nationality/location as a basis for insult.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

74. that was not an insult. that was just calling it like I see it.

if you feel insulted perhaps it is because you know you are guilty of what was suggested. I find it paticularly telling that you appeared within minutes of my post to another DUer and your name was not mentioned.

I am quickly growing bored with you.

[iverglas]

67. quoting from wikipedia is a deleting offence???

There must have been a glitch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_discourse

Civil discourse is engagement in discourse (conversation) intended to enhance understanding.

Kenneth J. Gergen describes civil discourse as "the language of dispassionate objectivity", and suggests that it requires respect of the other participants, such as the reader. It neither diminishes the other's moral worth, nor questions their good judgment; it avoids hostility, direct antagonism, or excessive persuasion; it requires modesty and an appreciation for the other participant's experiences.

It isn't possible to be less than sincere and candid and claim to intend to enhance understanding.

[Straw Man]

70. That's OK...

You post some simple facts, and suddenly they're gone.

...I immortalized them for you.

You're welcome.

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[iverglas]

18. and yet

any concern about people with permits to tote guns around doing something untoward with them ... that's not worthy of anything but scorn. ;)

[cleanhippie]

20. Define "doing something untoward with them".

[iverglas]

21. picking their noses with them

in public.

Ew.

[cleanhippie]

23. I would think most everyone would agree that that would be an improper use.

And nice deflection, by the way.

[spin]

25. If those with carry permits often did something "untoward" with their weapons ...

we would not have any states with "shall issue" concealed carry. Florida passed its concealed carry law in 1987 and had permit holders proved irresponsible, the law would have been revoked long before now. Other states would have refused to pass concealed carry as many states used the success of the Florida law as a reason and a basis for their own concealed carry laws.

In Florida, if you are an honest individual, you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than being attacked by a person with a concealed weapons permit.

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[drpepper67]

31. It's just like having a Fire Extinguisher in your home.

I mean, why have one?

How often have you ever had to use it?

After all the fire department is only 10 or 15 minutes away.

[iverglas]

38. really???

Do you have a high rate of homicide by fire extinguisher / people held up and robbed in businesses and on the street by fire extinguisher-toting criminals??

Do people break into homes and steal fire extinguishers on a regular basis??

What, do you need a licence to possess a fire extinguisher, or something?

:rofl:

[drpepper67]

30. This is why

In Tennessee it's a Hand Gun Carry Permit (HCP) and not CCW.

[oneshooter]

39. In Texas it's a CHL, concealed handgun permit. n/t

[spin]

42. In Florida it's a concealed weapons permit and if you are in Florida ...

and have one, you can carry an assortment of weapons, not only a firearm, as long as they are concealed.

Concealed Carry Reciprocity

PLEASE NOTE: The reciprocity information on this page is ALWAYS CURRENT. The Division of Licensing constantly monitors changing gun laws in other states and attempts to negotiate agreements as the laws in those states allow.

This list was last updated on January 1, 2011, when the State of IOWA was added to the reciprocity list.

***snip***

(1) While Florida's law allows licensees to carry stun guns, knives, and billy clubs in a concealed fashion, the laws in these states allow for concealed carry of handguns or pistols ONLY, NOT WEAPONS IN GENERAL. Florida license holders are prohibited from carrying other types of weapons while in these states.emphasis added
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

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[ileus]

64. Good news for our friends in Fl that's for sure.

[spin]

69. I have no desire to open carry ...

but if I accidentally expose my firearm for an instant, I don't want to get charged for a misdemeanor. So as a Floridian, the bill is good news.