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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:07 PM
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Maybe it's time for the Imams For Defense and Justice
I saw the CNN special about the attempts by the Muslims of Murfreesboro, Tennesee to build a mosque and the quite bigoted
reaction by some of the locals. It occurs to me that the congregants might take a lesson or two from Robert F. Williams
and the Deacons For Defense And Justice and start a gun club. I wonder if the NRA would give them a charter? (They fucking
well should give them a charter, just like the ones they gave to Rob Williams...)

Some background:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=144160

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=238936

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=331645#331663

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=337407#337554

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=366156#366367
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 09:59 PM
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1. I'm sure the NRA would
There are just a few basic requirements, and it would be easy for the local Muslim group to meet them.

They could even qualify for an NRA grant to help found the club.

But I'd suggest they should be squeaky clean, no ties to terrorist organizations, no imams who have called for the destruction of the Great Satan (United States).
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:14 PM
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5. I'd love to see that happen, if only to observe the consternation amongst those that oppose them.
Hell, there's even opposition to this idea here- though I'd point out that the objector hasn't yet volunteered to go down there and help them...

"All wind and no windmill", as it were.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-11 10:04 PM
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2. the NRA doesn't have a favorite religion, or any other group for that matter.
The NRA's job is protect the Second Amendment, and the citizens rights to utilize the second.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 01:21 PM
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3. exactly what
does a little anecdote about John F Kennedy playing with guns

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=144160

have to do with ... oh, anything at all?

As for the rest of the bullshit demagoguery, well, you know ... bullshit demagoguery.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/http/www.fas.usda.gov/excredits/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=442627&mesg_id=442934

The news from 1970, the modern era, history not really having ended in the 1960s.

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD – SENATE
July 9, 1970
Page 23393

SENATOR TYDINGS AND GUN CONTROL

Mr. MUSKIE: Mr. President, in the June 27 issue of the New Republic, Alex Campbell has written a perceptive article about the political situation in which the Senator from Maryland (Mr. TYDINGS) presently finds himself being the object of attack from both the left and right. I think this short piece clearly demonstrates what happens to a public figure when he takes on the tough issues without ducking. I ask unanimous consent that the article be printed in the RECORD.

...

TYDINGS OF NO JOY

And, because Tydings is also pushing for saner gun laws, lavish displays of posters and bumper stickers paid for by you-know-who tell Maryland voters, "If Tydings wins, you lose."

What?

Their guns; therefore, they seem to fear, their manhood. Both fears are groundless; nevertheless Tydings, a self-confessed liberal, is now being depicted as a castrator as well. Tydings is Maryland's senior senator and faces in September a primary fight with George P. Mahoney, a Democrat who is an eight-times loser and is so far from being a liberal that in 1966 Spiro T. Agnew won the governorship from him largely by appearing to be by contrast a moderate.

Mahoney is counting confidently on gun lobby backing. Should Mahoney lose a ninth time, the gun lobby doubtless will back Republican J. Glenn Beall Jr. against Tydings in November.

Unregistered guns killed two of Tydings’ close friends, John and Robert F. Kennedy. The 1968 Gun Control Act is a flop; only three states require gun licenses and in 35 states, lunatics may legally own guns. Tydings wants guns registered and licensed. His assurances to hunters that this will not interfere with sport and to collectors of antique guns that these won't count, have failed to abate the trumped-up hysteria against Tydings' modest proposals; so have Tydings' terrible statistics – 99,000 armed robberies annually, more than doubled since 1964, and 9,000, Americans shot to death each year.

... The senator has written a book, Born to Starve, to expose his views on population control. He says that 5.4 million American women who are poor don't want large families and do want family planning assistance, but fewer than 800,000 get it. The Nixon Administration has adopted elimination of unwanted births as a national goal, but Tydings is urging larger financial provision, $984,000 over five years. His less rational accusers blow up over his family planning stand. Some blacks say he's a rich white who aims to sterilize the black poor; others profess shock at his proposal to leave abortion "to individual conscience." If he politically survives the attacks generated by what seems to be everyone else's castration syndrome, Tydings may look good in 1972, when he will be only 44. Many of his liberal ideas match with those of Senator McGovern – and of Senator Ted Kennedy. Tydings would also fit a Muskie ticket, or a Hughes ticket. But sometimes, reading his hate mail, Tydings becomes a bit glum. The storm that is being worked up against him in his state is contrived by the gun lobby in part because he is a liberal, and people who fear and hate liberal views readily believe that Tydings is plotting to disarm them so as to leave them helpless prey of vaguely glimpsed powers of evil. But, meanwhile, Tydings' efforts to protect poor and black people from the criminals who prey on them are rudely rebuffed.


When liberals were liberals, eh?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, in the case of those who don't actually really give a shit about victims, other than to exploit in the service of their own agenda.

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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:07 PM
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4. A rifle in the hands of those attacked by bigots would do far more to protect them...
...than empty verbiage from an onlooker.

Were (Allah forbid) the Muslims of Murfreesboro attacked by some Klan wannabee, I'm sure your posts denouncing the event would be very
strongly worded and undoubtedly a source of comfort for the victims and survivors.

Tell me: What are your practical proposals for their protection, beyond some indignant postings on the Internet?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:20 PM
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7. exactly what
did that have to do with my post?

Do you even try?
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 01:47 PM
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8. Why bother? Firearms, while imperfect, work far better than handwringing from a distance. n/t
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:51 PM
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6. I'll bet a bunch of the bigoted locals in Murfeesboro are gun fanatics and carry guns regularly.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 01:53 PM
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9. I've no doubt they do. Time for them to start enjoying some diversity while they do so.
The prospect of facing armed resistance tends to discourage those sorts from raising hell. Google the name Catfish Cole.
I always found the story of his "meeting" with the Lumbee Nation at Hayes Pond highly amusing.
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