Israeli consul general takes jab at Muslims

[PsychoDad]

Israeli consul general takes jab at Muslims

BY CHRISTOPHER O'DONNELL
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051215/NEWS/512150385

SARASOTA COUNTY -- In a visit to Sarasota this week, Israel's leading Florida diplomat said that Muslims will never accept Jews and Christians in the Middle East.

Yitschak Ben Gad, consul general of Israel to Florida and Puerto Rico, said Muslims will always regard people of other faiths as second-class citizens.

"They hate the Christians in Lebanon and they hate the Jews in Israel," Ben Gad said.

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"I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists, but I can say something else: All terrorists are Muslims," Ben Gad said.



Seems as if Mr. Ben Gad has a limited grasp of middle eastern history. Jews, Christians and Muslims co-existed and flourished in the Middle East centuries before the formation of the state of Israel.

Mayhap this gentleman and the gentleman from Iran who denies the holocaust should be sent on a long cruise together.

Peace.

[dufrenne]

1. Not so sure...

"Christians and Muslims co-existed and flourished in the Middle East centuries before the formation of the state of Israel."

Crusades?

[PsychoDad]

3. Prior to and after the crusades.

Christians from europe were welcome in the region for pilgramages, and regional Christians were still respected by the muslims during the crusades.

The Muslims didn't see the crusaders as christians. They were Franks. Real Christians wouldn't, in the mind of the Muslims, engage in the atrocities that these invaders did.

Remember, the Crusaders also killed European and Arab Jews and Arab Christians during the crusades.

Peace

[dutchdemocrat]

4. The statement is partially true according to history

In Jerusalem prior to the formation - there was peace. Yes. That is well documented.

[Coastie for Truth]

8. You say "Prior to the formation..."

I say "Prior to PNACer Sir Mark Sykes."

[Coastie for Truth]

7. The Crusades --- and the Inquisition

which despite all of the romanticism of "when knighthood was in flower" and chivalry etc. were Christian Massacres of Muslims and Jews.

I would even go so far as to say that the present troubles in the ME are not the fault of the Jews or Muslims - ab initio - but of the (OIL and OIL HEGEMONY motivated) map redrawing of Sir Mark Sykes in the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, see .

The original PNACer was not William Kristol or Paul Wolfowitz, but a member of British nobility in the Colonial Office, PNACER

[dutchdemocrat]

2. Hero or Terrorist

Absurd, ignorant, racist, remark.

It's no different than saying this...

Not all Christians are terrorists but all terrorists are Christians.

It was the biggest act of mass murder in U.S. history. McVeigh's homemade truck bomb killed 168 people, almost all civilians, including 19 children and infants who were advancing the evil cause of the New World Order from the building's daycare center.

[sandnsea]

5. All terrorists are Muslims???

[Tom Joad]

19. Right... Guess he's never heard of Nazis or the Irgun or the JDL....

or Kahanists or the bombing of the King David Hotel or the the folks who attacked abortion clinics or gay bars, or the Oklahoma Fed Building Bombing.

[bemildred]

6. Brilliant diplomacy.

:puke:

[Coastie for Truth]

9. Almost as good as PNACer Sir Mark Sykes

who tried remake the post Ottoman Map of the ME as described in for almost the same reasons, see .

Read yer history mate.

[bemildred]

10. I have read about that quite a few times now.

This fellow reveals himself to be a fool with his stereotyped thinking.

[Coastie for Truth]

11. No. Not stereotyped

With an understanding of the events leading up to WWI, and the role of natural resources, and the role of geographical chokes points (e.g., the Suez Canal).

Sad to say, or proud to say, I am not a knee jerk "blog liberal" (id est, one who says "Israel is always wrong, the Palestinians are always right, there is a Jewish conspiracy governing US foreign policy or control of the media, PNAC and Sykes-Picot are devoid of any resource considerations and are totally 'Greater Israel', yaadaa yaadaa yaadaa")

[bemildred]

14. Stereotyped, and wrong:

"I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists, but I can say something else: All terrorists are Muslims," Ben Gad said.

[Violet_Crumble]

16. Maybe he's seen this billboard?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1990984

Violet....

[Coastie for Truth]

17. I did not start this thread -- and I did not append the quote referred to

I appended the references to good will before the Inquisition, and the activities of the Crusaders and the Inquisitors, and the reference to Menocal.

I also appended the references to Sykes-Picot.

But, I did not append the quote which you have attributed to me.

[bemildred]

18. That is a quote from Mr. ben Gad, in the OP.

I am/was not talking about you, in any way.

[PsychoDad]

13. I thought it could be discribed ....

As Boltonesque diplomacy :)

Peace.

[bemildred]

15. True, a disciple of Dolton. nt

[Igel]

12. Not all was well for Xians and Jews in Muslim countries.

At times, it was ok. At other times, very unpleasant. That the same restrictive laws and penalties recurred over and over, from Morocco to Afghanistan, Bosnia to Yemen, over a thousand years, says something unpleasant about something in Islamic traditions.

The same can be said about anti-Semitism and Jewish pogroms in Europe, in fact.

But to say that Muslims committed widespread injustice at any time or in any place is not a palatable thing to say, or, apparently, admit. Victors write the history: For much of now-traditional Muslim territory, Muslims were the victor, and therefore were the good guys.

[Englander]

20. This guy is an absolute idiot, a bigot, even.

He's certainly ignorant.

There are Jewish, Catholic, Christian, Sikh, Hindu, &tc terrorists.


'Proscribed terrorist groups

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/security/terrorism-and-the-law/terrorism-act/proscribed-groups?version=1

[Violet_Crumble]

21. I was wondering if he was drunk when he made those comments...

Because they were stupid, and they were bigoted. The Israeli govt should recall him and put him out to pasture, because that's not the sort of crap that Israel needs to be showing as it's public face in the US....

Violet...