Ha'aretz: Mashaal: Hamas ready to form Palestinian army

[PhilipShore]

Ha'aretz
Hamas ready to form Palestinian army
28/01/2006

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/675793.html

Hamas' political bureau chief Khaled Mashaal declared on Saturday that his group will not disarm and that he was ready to form an army to defend the Palestinian people from aggression.

[saigon68]

1. They will need one.

[PhilipShore]

2. Will it be a pacifist non-violent army?

I as a pacifist-- rather doubt that they will ever renounce arms, and create a non-violent army. Ironically, a non-violent army-- would solve most of the violence problems in the Middle East, and create a lasting peace.

However, without violence, in the Middle East-- there would be no need for the PNAC and the military-industrial-complex and Wars, which so much benefit Bush and Co.

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[no_hypocrisy]

4. I'm not convinced it will be 100% defensive.

[Coastie for Truth]

5. The driving force for PNAC is OIL HEGEMONY

I would commend to your attention PNAC's own statement http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf| Rebuilding America's Defenses> - it is all about oil, hegemony over oil, oil brouses, and currencies used in oil brouses - nothing about peace, democracy, or a "Greater Israel."

[Violet_Crumble]

8. I think it'd take multiple non-violent armies to solve the problems...

Just a hunch, but a non-violent army would be as useless as tits on a bull if the Israeli army is armed to the teeth and continues to use force the way it does...

Violet...

[Lefty48197]

6. Get ready to have your army exterminated

The last thing this planet needs is for those murderers to have tanks and fighter jets. They're kidding themselves if they think the civilized world will allow them to form a military that actually operates under the sunlight.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

10. Perhaps the IDF should...

disarm and show Hamas how it's done.

[Lefty48197]

11. The IDF could certainly teach Hamas how NOT to bomb pizza parlors

weddings, and Holy suppers. Of course, civilized human beings already know how to avoid doing those things.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

12. Then again Hamas...

may teach Israel that oppression is not the best of policies for any nation.

[Lefty48197]

15. I agree with you that Israel has lessons to learn

But I don't think Hamas has anything to teach anybody.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

16. Perhaps Hamas...

Can teach israel that Palestinians DO have an understanding of Statehood.

[Lefty48197]

17. When they stop blowing up city buses

Then maybe I'll think they know something about Statehood too.

[Violet_Crumble]

19. You do realise Hamas hasn't carried out an attack in a year?

Yr posts seem to indicate you think it's still happening...

Violet...

[eyl]

20. Not quite accurate

For example:

June 2005

Three workers, two Palestinian and one Chinese, were killed and five other

Palestinian workers were injured Tuesday when a Qassam rocket slammed into a greenhouse in the

Gush Katif settlement of Ganai Tal.

Later Hamas also claimed responsibility for the attack

Source

July 2005

The air strikes follow the death of Dana Gelkovitch, 22, who was killed in a

Qassam rocket attack Thursday afternoon on Netiv Ha’asara, north of Gaza’s Erez crossing.

Terrorists had fired four rockets at the community.

The air strikes follow the death of Dana Gelkovitch, 22, who was killed in a

Qassam rocket attack Thursday afternoon on Netiv Ha’asara, north of Gaza’s Erez crossing.

Terrorists had fired four rockets at the community.

Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah all claimed responsibility for the attack.

However, Palestinian sources in Gaza initially said that the Islamic Jihad was behind the rocket

barrage.

By contrast, IDF officials believe Hamas is behind the attack and, indeed, PA police officers

were wounded in an exchange with members of the group.

Source

July 2005

The clashes were the latest in a series of battles that have taken place in

Gaza since the weekend, in light of Hamas’ launching of Qassam rockets on Israeli towns in the

area, including Sderot.

Source

Then there's this from September

And, for something a bit different:

September 2005

Hamas officially claimed responsibility for the kidnapping and murder of Sasson Nuriel, 55, from Pisgat Ze’ev, whose body was found Monday southwest of Ramallah

Source

[Englander]

21. Do any of those feature, quote, 'blowing up city buses'?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=113620&mesg_id=113871

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[eyl]

23. ???

The claim I was responding to was

"You do realise Hamas hasn't carried out an attack in a year?"

No mention of buses in there at all.

[Englander]

24. Follow the thread. n/t

[eyl]

27. I did

and you're being overly literal. For the intent of the question raised by the poster, does it matter whether Hamas blew buses up or shot them?

EDIT - or, if you prefer, "blowing up buses" is short hand for terrorist actions of all kinds.

[Englander]

25. It's more than a year, apparently.

(Jerusalem, January 30, 2006) – Hamas should announce publicly and without delay that it will not carry out attacks that target civilians or cause them indiscriminate harm, Human Rights Watch said today in a letter to the leaders of the group.

Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement, Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya), won the Palestinian parliamentary elections on January 25. The group’s military wing has carried out suicide bombings and other attacks that have killed scores of civilians and gravely wounded many others. The organization declared and has maintained a moratorium on such attacks for more than a year, but has never made a commitment to end them.

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/30/isrlpa12549.htm

[eyl]

26. I'd say the attacks listed in post #20

constitute "other attacks" within the last year, wouldn't you?

[Ani Yun Wiya]

13. whoops

dupe

[channa18]

14. Thats a first.

I dont know whether to laugh or cry.

[Andromeda]

18. That will happen when pigs fly...

[IndianaGreen]

7. They need their army to fight the civil war against Fatah

They should be working on public works and garbage collection, but that's too much work for them. It is easier to rail against the enemy on the other side of the border than to deal with the social needs at home.

[Violet_Crumble]

9. Yr claiming Hamas doesn't do public works for the Palestinians??

That's the first time I've heard that claim. The strength of Hamas is that it does all the welfare etc stuff. Or are you talking about governmental type public works? If so, how's about you give them a bit more than literally five minutes after winning the election and wait and find out what they do?

Violet...