So, it's ok for Israel to bomb and kill civilians on the beach but it's

[cantstandbush]

not ok for any kind of retaliation from the Palestinians or their supporters? Bush is a shameful and shameless President. The US could pressure Israel but instead Bush asks only Hezbollah to lay down their arms...a call for them to comit suicide. What will it take to stop Israel and the US in their terrorism?

[MrSlayer]

1. Right. The same way it's ok for us to bomb civilians in Iraq.

And rape and murder but it's not ok for them to respond in kind. It's a double standard. "We're the good guys and the civilians killed were only would-be terrorists anyway so it's ok".

[ChuckyDee]

11. umm...yeah, about the beach

This is the reason the media no longer mentions the Gaza beach tragedy.

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Gaza_Beach_Libel.asp

Israel didn't do it. So it's not newsworthy anymore. Sorry guys, but this is yet more libel vs. Israel that has been proven wrong.

Nice job by the media of checking their facts, huh?

[Behind the Aegis]

2. .

:eyes:

[wtmusic]

3. All part of Junior's Road Map to Hell nt

[guinivere]

4. Yup. And we're getting there fast. nt

[ladjf]

5. I notice that the media continues to leave out the beach episode,

which as you have pointed out is pivotal.

[aquart]

9. And you know exactly what happened in the "beach episode"?

[4freethinking]

12. Yeah we know

the usual spin that comes from Israel when it kills civilians with regular euphemisms like "collateral damage" or Palestians setting up their own people by mining a beach.

[cali]

6. Another useless post

seeking to stir up more shit. all heat, no light. Very, very few posters here have said it's OK for Israel to bomb civilians. But just as it's not OK for Israel to fire rockets into densely populated areas, and then say "oh, sorry for the collateral damage", it's not OK to excuse bad acts on the other side. The attack on Israeli troops from Gaza was planned weeks, if not months, before the death of the family on the beach. H'zbollzh has been firing on Israel targets for years.

Israel's incursion into Lebanon is stunningly stupid, as well as brutal, but H'zbollah doesn't get a free pass either. They're an organization I can't understand anyone defending. Israel and the US are flawed nations under terrible leadership, but they're complex societies, encompassing people with view points across the spectrum. H'zbollah has a radical fundamentalist philosophy and is not only anti-Israel but profoundly anti-semitic. In 1994 they bombed a Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires, killing 95.

H'zbollah is looking to create a regional conflict. It's possible that Israel is as well, but it's more likely that Ohmert is in over his head and took the bait. He's so tunnel vision handicapped that he cares more about destroying H'zbollah than he does about a fragile nation and its citizens. That's damnable.

Approaching this with a Manichean view such as yours is just lame.

[ChuckyDee]

10. hey cali,

Rather than criticze Israel for going too far, what would you propose they do, if anything? It's easy to critize. Do you have solutions that are proven to work?

[cali]

13. No one has solutions that are proven to work

I don't think bombing Lebanon and killing lots of innocent civilians is guaranteed to work either. It was too late for Israel to have pursued the captors, so I think they should have issued a strongly worded communique to the Lebanese gov't, and waited. Alternatively, as someone else suggested they would be justified in occupying a 'buffer zone' in Southern Lebanon if the Lebanese gov't wouldn't or couldn't regain control of area and prevent H'zbollah from attacking Israel

[pelsar]

14. this may work....

the whole idea (from the IDF) is to remove Hizballa from the lebanese s border and get the lebanese army down there. That can only happen, if hizballa is weakened and the lebanese get the political will.

the lebanese president is now talking about getting the army down south (though its been said before)....if he actually does do it, then that might very well lead to a peaceful northern border for israel and the lebanese in the south living without hizballas terrorism.

something which many lebanese, according to many blogs, have been wishing for.

but you've got be kidding about the communque to the lebanese govt...with hizballa in the govt and strong, and the lebanese army weak....a "strongly worded letter, would not be worth the paper it was written on.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Dualism Is Not Productive

eom

[aquart]

8. I'm sorry. There is no Palestinian terrorism?

The only ones engaging in terrorism are the Jews?

Nice propaganda. Common and much in use in certain segments.