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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 07:38 PM
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HISTORY: Bio's of Olmert and Nasrallah....what I could find, interesting.
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 08:03 PM by KoKo01
I really want to know about their "childhoods" and how they came to be who they are as Leaders. This was the best of a Google Search...that seemed to give "snips" of their childhood. Anyone have some other info that might be relevant? Anyway...I'm always curious about what motivates people from childhood to adulthood. Think it's interesting to get background on people that the Media doesn't always give. So just throwing this out here.

(On Edit: it's good to remember that both probably have Public Relations "Spin Meisters" and we need to read with skepticism. But if anyone has better "Bio's" please post.

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"Seyyed Hasan Nasrallah's Autobiography"

Ya Lesarat Ol-Hoseyn (Tehran)
August 10, 2006 OSC Translated Text

My father Abdulkarim used to sell fruit and vegetables; my brothers would help him. When my father's financial status improved, he opened a small grocery store in the neighborhood, and I would go there to help him usually. We had a picture of Imam Musa al-Sadr hanging on the wall of the store. I would sit on a chair in front of the picture and stare at it. I wished that I would become like him one day. We did not have a mosque in our neighborhood, which was called Kortina, so I would go to the San Al-Fil, Borj Jamud, or Nob'eh mosques for prayers. I would read any reading material I found, especially Islamic books. Any book that I could not understand, I would put aside to read it when I grew older. I went to a school in the Al-Najah neighborhood for my primary education, and I was among the last group of students who gained the diploma certificate. After that, I went to the San Al-Fil state school to continue my education there, but the flames of the 1975 civil war erupted very soon afterward. Hence, I left Kortina and returned, along with my family, to the village of Bazuyeh, where I was born.

After that, I finished my high school education in one of the state schools of the coastal city of Sur. Earlier, when we lived in the Kortina neighborhood, none of my family members or I was affiliated with any political party. Meanwhile, several political organizations, of which some were Palestinian, were active in the area. But, later on, when we moved back to Bazuyeh, I joined the ranks of the Amal movement. That was a choice that I made very eagerly, because I deeply admired Imam Musa al-Sadr. At that time, I was just 15-years-old and the Amal movement was called and known as the movement of the underprivileged. I was becoming less interested in the village of Bazuyeh, because that village was turning into an arena for the activity of intellectuals, Marxists, and especially supporters of the Lebanese Communist Party. Anyway, my brother Seyyed Hoseyn and I became members of the Amal movement, and, in spite of my young age, I soon became the representative of our village.

Within a few months, I made a firm decision to go to Najaf Ashraf in Iraq. At that time, I was hardly 16-years-old and I faced many restrictions against going. But, since my reliance was on god, one day at the mosque of the city of Sur I met a religious scholar whose name was Seyyed Mohammad Gharavi. He worked there on behalf of Imam Musa Sadr as a teacher. As soon as he heard that I wanted to go to Najaf Ashraf for education, he wrote a letter and gave it to me. Seyyed Mohammad Gharavi was a close and favorite friend of Grand Ayatollah Seyyed Muhammad Baqr al-Sadr. The letter that he gave me was a recommendation for my admission to that dignitary's class. With the help of friends and my father, and by selling some belongings, I gathered some money and flew to Baghdad; from there I took a bus to Al-Najaf.


When I arrived in Al-Najaf, I had no money left in my pockets. But, there are more than a few strangers and lonely people in Al-Najaf. More important, of course, is the fact that a scholar must learn how to live a respectable life with empty hands. My food was bread and water, and my bed was a rectangular piece of sponge mattress. As soon as I arrived, I asked the other Lebanese scholars living there how I could get my letter of recommendation to Ayatollah Al-Sadr, who was considered as a pillar of the religious seminary. They told me that Seyyed Abbas Musavi could do that for me. When I met with Seyyed Abbas Musavi, because he was a little bit dark-skinned, I assumed he was Iraqi. Hence, I spoke to him in plain Arabic. But in response, Seyyed Abbas told me: "Do not bother; I am also Lebanese and I have come here from the Nabi Sheys area!" That was how our acquaintance and close friendship began. Musa was a friend, brother, mentor, and companion for me. We were separated from each other when the Israelis fired missiles at his vehicle from a helicopter and martyred Seyyed Abbas, along with his wife and little child. This incident happened 16 years after the sweet start of our friendship in the city of Al-Najaf. Ayatollah Al-Sadr, after accepting me and reading my letter of recommendation from Seyyed Mohammad Gharavi, asked me: "Do you have any money?" I said: "Not a penny!" The Ayatollah then turned to Musavi and stated: "First, get him a room, then you be his tutor and take care of him." After that, he gave me some money to buy me some clothes and books, as well as some spending money for a month. Musavi got me a room at the seminary near his own house.


More of this read at....

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:iiIy1Y7t1BAJ:www.fas.org/irp/news/2006/08/nasrallah.html+Biography+of+Nasrallah&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3


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EHUD OLMERT:

Ehud Olmert was born in 1945 in a training camp for members of the militant Jewish underground known as the Irgun, and grew up in Binyamina, a small town north of Tel Aviv. The Olmerts were a family steeped in the politics of the right-wing revisionist Zionist movement of Ze’ev Jabotinsky, and they lived in the largely Irgun neighborhood of Nahalat Jabotinsky. His father, Mordechai, was one of the found-ers of the Irgun. When it was disbanded, he served as a member of the Knesset for Herut, the party named for the Hebrew word
for “freedom,” founded by Irgun leader, Menachem Begin. Like the Irgun, Herut was ideological and uncompromising.

“There are two banks to the Jordan,” went one party slogan. “One bank is ours, and the other is, too.” David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, who led Mapai, the party that was Labor’s predecessor, put Herut on par with the Communists and blacklisted its members.

The prime minister’s Russian-born father and Ukrainian-born mother, Bella, immigrated to Palestine in the 1930s from Harbin, China, where their families fled after the 1917 Revolution. Chinese was the Yiddish of the Olmert household, the language his parents used when they did not want the kids to understand what they were discussing. In 1994, Ehud Olmert said kaddish over his grandfather’s grave in Harbin with Amram, one of his four brothers, who was at the time the science and agriculture attaché at the Israeli embassy in Beijing. When Mordechai Olmert died in 1998, his last words were in Chinese. “Although we did not understand what he said, we knew his heart was tied with Harbin forever,” Olmert told China’s People’s Daily.

Although at one time Olmert served as an infantry officer in the prestigious Golani Brigade, he is no military hero. In fact, he began his national service as a correspondent for the Israel Defense Forces magazine, Bamahane, becoming what Israelis derisively call a jobnik. His interest was politics, which beckoned while he was studying law at Hebrew University. As a student leader of Herut he exhibited considerable chutzpah when, at age 21, he called on Begin to resign for repeatedly losing elections. “Up to now Begin has led the movement as an opposition, but he has not succeeded in leading it to rule. He must accept the consequence and resign,” he said at a party conference. In 1973, Herut and several other rightist parties joined to form what was to become Likud, a Hebrew word meaning “unity.” Olmert, then 28, ran for parliament and won, becoming the youngest Knesset member at the time. He set about making a name for himself tackling crime and corruption, spearheading investigations that turned out to be highly embarrassing for the ruling Labor Party.

After the electoral “earthquake” of May 1977, when Begin and Likud brought 30 years of Labor hegemony to an end, Olmert emerged, with his friend Dan Meridor and Netanyahu, as one of Likud’s young “princes” destined to become leaders. By that time, Olmert was running a successful corporate law practice (Knesset members were still permitted to pursue their own careers) and acquiring a reputation for lucrative deal-making that has never left him. A close friend of some of the wealthiest people in Israel—including CEOs, bankers and lawyers—he became Likud treasurer. He was later charged with accepting illegal donations, but was acquitted.
-snip-

Olmert’s ideological conversion is no less remarkable than Sharon’s, the hawkish old soldier who, for 30 years, did more than any other Israeli to promote Jewish settlement in the territories. Like Sharon, Olmert found his way from a lifelong belief in the ideology of Greater Israel to shoulder-shrugging pragmatism about the need to compromise with the Palestinians. In 2005, he publicly regretted his failure to support Begin’s 1978 Camp David Accords. “I voted against Menachem Begin,” he said. “I told him it was a historic mistake, how dangerous it would be, and so on and so on. Now I am sorry he is not alive for me to be able to publicly recognize his wisdom and my mistake. He was right and I was wrong. Thank God we pulled out of the Sinai.”

“We don’t want to dominate or patronize the Palestinians,” he insisted when I met him in London. “There has been a seismic shift in Israeli public opinion, a realization that we have to adopt practical policies that will lead to a serious peace process with the Palestinians.” And if that meant “painful compromises,” he added, “so be it.” Olmert admits that his views have changed, but insists the turnabout has been exaggerated. As he told The Jerusalem Post, his readiness for a drastic measure like the disengagement plan could be seen much earlier in his career. “The first person to propose ‘unilateral autonomy’ was Moshe Dayan in 1979. By that time, he had already carefully analyzed the situation and reached the inevitable conclusion that there was no alternative. This was the basis for his leaving Begin’s government, and when he brought it to the Knesset for a vote in 1980, I was the only one in the Likud who supported him.”

One of the most revealing clues to Olmert’s transformation may be found in his own backyard. His wife Aliza, whom he met while a student, is a well-known artist and left-winger who attends Peace Now rallies. This year’s election, she has admitted, was the first in which she ever voted for the party her husband represented. Of her husband’s political transition, she told PBS’s Frontline, “It must make a change if your family and your friends keep pointing a finger on reality from a different angle…. You know, how long can you try the same policies that don’t work? For how many years and with how many casualties?” Theirs is a household where political talk is always lively but respectful, and the prime minister has no coalition partners among the couple’s five children, including an adopted daughter. In fact many of the Olmert children have been outspoken about their dovish political beliefs. One daughter, Dana, is a lesbian involved in monitoring abuses of Palestinians at IDF checkpoints in the territories. Son Ariel was a conscientious objector and is a student in Paris. Their other son, Shaul, who served in the army, is an executive at Nickelodeon TV in New York and also leans politically left.

(EDITED for better link to Olmert's Childhood.)
more at.......
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:19qY6ULYk14J:www.momentmag.com/olam/Jun06/MOM-2006-06_olmert.html+Bio+of+Ehud+Olmert+Childhood&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9


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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 08:36 PM
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1. Really, really, interesting. Thank you.
  You might also check out this YouTube of a NightLine debate between Ehud Olmert and Meir Kahane (sometime from the 80's). The question posed as a point of discussion is what should Israel do if the Arab population of Israel ever threatens the Jewish majority. Kahane openly supports "transfer", which is ethnic cleansing. Koppel brings Olmert on as a presumed counterpoint but, as the 8-minute video shows, he either begs the question or refuses to answer it entirely.

  Groced as strongly disagreeing with Kahane, who is at least honest and upfront about his plans, Olmert merely hedges around the question.

  Of course Israel would expel Israeli Arabs if their population ever reached a majority. How can there be a question about it? Really. When a nation is created whose chief purpose is to maintain a certain religio-ethnic majority of the population then all things which threaten that are, by definition, a threat to the state.

  I've seen this concept bolstered many times here, when it comes to the right of return for Palestinians.

  "That will never happen. That would be the destruction of Israel!"

  But it's a symbolic destruction of which they speak- though there is no certainty that an Arab majority would legally abuse a presumed Jewish minority. The presumption of such is the kernel to understanding that Israel's heart really has no place for non-Jews in it. Certainly there are those Israeli Jews who recognize this programmed disparity and fight against it but they, too, ultimately propose an equality which the "Jewish State" simply will never address.

PB
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:03 PM
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3. "there is no certainty that an Arab majority would legally abuse a
presumed Jewish minority"

The state of Israel exists for the precise reason that Jewish people need not take that risk: relying on the tolerance of others.
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atikyomin Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 10:58 AM
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2. biography of hasan nasrallah
Hasan Nasrallah was an unnamed subject of a group of Islamic "born-again" fundamentalists, interviewed by a political psychologist in Beirut and Los Angeles, 1995. They completed personal narratives and questionnaires. The questionnaire provided demographic data that was used to match them to more secular and moderate Muslims. The personal narratives were used to derive their canonical expectations, world views and sense of identity. These results were then compared with those of the other Muslims. The overall research question was whether the groups differed in terms of (instrumentally) rational decision making. The principal finding was that the goals of the fundamentalists are chosen on the basis of their seeing themselves as exemplars of Islam. Only after that does rational choice kick in. For the other Muslims the claims of their religion were weighed against other life interests.

here is the cite for the aritcle
Monroe, Kristen Renwick, and Lina Haddad Kreidie. "The Perspective of Islamic Fundamentalists and the Limits of Rational Choice Theory," Political Psychology, 18, No. 1, 1997, 19-43.

The authors have not separatedly published nasrallah's narrative, but have written other pieces on fundamentalist identity that might have drawn on it.

btw, the Israeli that most resembles Nasrallah is Efi Eitan, leader of the right wing National Unity Party. he is also a born again, was the commander of the Israeli forces in Lebanon in 1990s, facing Nasrallah's Hizbullah fighters, proved a bad seminary student, has a messianic complex, etc.

for insights and analysis of the Middle East, check out "Killing the Frog" http://frogkill.blogspot.com
Since you are an active poster on democratic underground, i would appreciate your spreading the word. its stuff is as good as sliced bread, bagels or pita, depending on your choice.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:48 PM
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4. Welcome to DU! I've come across your blog before -- just recently...
I believe it must have been through a link in a comment on another site. I've been visiting alot of new sites since the Hizbullah/Israel conflict began in July.

My particular new favorite is Sic Semper Tyrannis 2006 -- have you commented there at all in the past month or so? If not, I hope you are at least familiar with it. From reading your own blog, I suspect that Pat Lang's site would be right up your alley.

Again, welcome to DU. I look forward to any further contributions you may make to discussions here.

sw
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:50 PM
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9. Thanks for the links....I was hoping that folks would add additional info
on BOTH these leaders. I really want to "get into their heads" and figure out what motivates them. The more I read ...the more interesting they become.

I'll check your links out. (I just got back from a short vacation and haven't had time to check out alot since I posted this).

Interesting...

Peace!!!!!!

koko
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 12:11 AM
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5. From "The American Thinker" -- Olmert's a damn leftist peacenik.
Olmert’s Threat to Israeli and American Security

Just who is Ehud Olmert, the ex mayor of Jerusalem? In June 2005 he actually made the following statement to the Israel Policy Forum in New York.

“We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired of winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies, we want to be able to live in an entirely different environment of relations with our enemies.”

Imagine the encouragement given to Israel’s implacable enemies!

His own family members are all politically on the far left. His wife joined with Israeli leftists to harass Israeli soldiers guarding their country at border checkpoints. His daughter accused the Israeli Chief of Staff of being a murderer. One son is a draft dodger and the other son, after serving, now discourages other Israelis from serving. In a family interview on PBS’ Frontline program Olmert said that his family had influenced him to alter his views to be closer to theirs.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5793
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atikyomin Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 12:52 AM
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6. On Olmert
How weird that I should complain that you are being unfair to Olmert. The reason for current anger in Israel at Olmert is neither for his beliefs, statements, love of family, or sons. (and do i need to list the children of the Likud who left the country or were spirited out of it before Shabak or the police came to arrest them?) It is because he, Peretz and Halutz miscalculated in deciding to go to war and mismanaged the effort when they did. Probably because of his and Peretz's inexperience, they trusted their generals' demands and bowed to public expectations. Yes, they dithered about commencing ground operations and then about expanding them. But what would you do, if 2 weeks after your chief of staff told you Hezbollah was finished at Bint Jabeel, IDF was still fighting there.

If for no other reason than the principle of accountability, I think the three should resign. But then who comes next? It is like the old joke from the 1950s Tsahal. The captain tells his company: I have good news and bad news. The good news is each of you will get new underwear. The bad news is you'll get it by exchanging yours with your buddy's.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 01:01 AM
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7. Just for the record, I did not write that piece, nor do I agree with it.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 06:54 AM
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8. Nasrallah: 4th last paragraph - 90% of vote required for Islamic Republic.
I would not deny that Hizballah's wish is to establish an Islamic Republic system one day, because Hizballah believes that establishing an Islamic government is the only way to bring stability to a society and is the only way to settle social differences, even in a society that is composed of numerous minorities. Nevertheless, establishing an Islamic Republic is not possible with force and resistance. It requires a national referendum. A referendum that wins 51 percent of the vote is still not the solution. What it needs is a referendum for which 90 percent of the people vote. Hence, with this assumption, and in view of the status quo, establishing an Islamic Republic system in Lebanon is not possible at the present time.
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