Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The legal status of fighters

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine Donate to DU
 
Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:15 AM
Original message
The legal status of fighters
By Meron Benvenisti

The Israeli legal system, stretched to the limit by cases of private and public corruption, still finds the time and the resources to provide massive support for spreading and deepening Israel's image as a country suffering from terrorism and fighting for its existence. It is an image of a country threatened by traitors from within (Arab Israelis, hoping for a victory of the Axis of Evil whose center is in Damascus), by Hamas operatives (who aspire to destroy it) and by murderous Lebanese (Hezbollah).

On Tuesday, the trial of three Hezbollah fighters started. They are charged with murder, weapons possession, undergoing military training and membership in a terrorist organization. On the same day, a military court extended the remands of 21 Hamas ministers and legislators, who have been charged with membership in a terrorist organization. And also on that day, police began questioning a Balad member who visited Damascus - the "capital of terrorism" - and praised Hezbollah's victory.

The ideological basis for these legal steps is the definition of the suspects as terrorists. In other words, criminals. Their supporters are defined as traitors. Israel has taken it upon itself to define what legitimate violence is, and it is claiming a monopoly on the use of force, demanding that others accept its unilateral definitions. If they do not, they will be accused of being hostile, or worse. All practical resistance to Israel, whether violent or political, is an act whose purpose is illegitimate. Therefore, the definition of a "terrorist act" is not limited to the murder of innocents; it includes any use of "illegitimate" force. This definition encompasses "incitement" and "abetting the enemy." One could say, on the basis of this mainstream outlook, that a person can be either a Zionist or a terrorist.

The need to entrench this view, and thus to justify violent, deterrent, consciousness-searing action - and to reject all other definitions that are critical and unflattering - is highlighted by the absurdity of filing criminal charges. It is clear that the elected officials from Hamas were arrested and jailed only to serve as hostages for the release of Gilad Shalit, the abducted Israel Defense Forces soldier, and that the charge of belonging to a terrorist organization is just a pretext, as has already been determined by one court proceeding, which ordered the Hamas officials released.

>snip

Thus the circle is complete: The whole world is against us. Our neighbors, citizens of the state, are a fifth column; the Palestinians in the territories want to wipe us out; Hezbollah is a forward division of Syria and Iran; our very existence is threatened; but our fearless legal system will protect us against all our enemies and bring justice to light. And afterward, we will be able to continue our "deterrence" work with a clear conscience.

More at;
Haaretz


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:54 AM
Response to Original message
1. That is the best description I have read yet
Israel, like the U.S. makes it's own bogymen and profits from the results.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. On the bogey men part of your comment
I agree 110%. On the profits part I am not so sure, unless you are talking about the very conditional gratitude of the BFEE. Personally maybe Israel should question who they call "friend" and start to listen with their "left" ear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:51 AM
Response to Original message
2. The Hamas legislators...
I haven't been following what's going on, but from the article am I right in assuming that an Israeli civil court ordered they be released, but a military court overrode that?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:13 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. No, it's all military courts.
The military court ordered the release, the military authorities/prosecutors are appealing that
decision.

'Israel army contests Hamas ruling

Israeli army lawyers are contesting a court decision to release senior Hamas members, some of whom have been detained since June.

>snip

An Israeli military judge had ordered the release of some of the detained Hamas officials on Tuesday and army prosecutors had 48 hours to appeal against the decision.

The judge noted that Israel had allowed the men to compete successfully in Palestinian parliamentary election in January and questioned the timing of their detention after four months in office.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5344734.stm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:24 AM
Response to Original message
4. Israels should use caution in their
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 07:25 AM by azurnoir
prostrations of eternal victimhood, as they are failing on increasingly deaf ears and could become self fulfilling prophecies of doom.

On the subject of Gilad Shalit I have begun to wonder if some of the far right wing in Israel would almost rather see him come home as a headless mutilated corpse, as that would serve their political ends far more then if he came home alive and well. In any event I suspect it will be many years if ever before the "captured" Hamas government will see the light of day










Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nicoll Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
6. self righteous
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 11:34 AM by nicoll
It makes me laugh when I see what Israel has become. To try someone as a terrorist who as not committed an act of violence to wards civilians and then to define what is acceptable and what is not. Who gives them the right.

In the last six years Israel has killed over seven hundred Palestinian civilians, what if I was to say that was an act of terrorism and then try and sentence the soldiers responsible as terrorists.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 12:25 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC