Avigdor Lieberman: 'The unfaithful cannot be citizens'

[Jcrowley]

Lieberman: The unfaithful cannot be citizens

Avigdor Lieberman appears at Saban Center for Middle East policy in Washington where he says that those who are not faithful to Israel cannot expect to have full rights
Yitzhak Benhorin


WASHINGTON - Lieberman presents solution to Israeli-Palestinian conflict: Minister for Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman addressed an audience at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy in Washington where he presented his political agenda: "Israel has the right to demand full allegiance from all its citizens. He who is not ready to recognize Israel as a Jewish and Zionist state, cannot be a citizen in the country. This applies to extremists of the Neturei Karta as well as to extremist factions of the Islamic Movement."
 
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"It is unacceptable that a senator or a representative in the American house of representatives assist Afghanistan during the war and meet with Bin-Laden and al-Qaeda leaders, express his support for their war against the US and be allowed to return to serve in Congress," he said.
 
"The peace process is based on three false basic assumptions: That the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the main fact of instability in the Middle East, that the conflict is territorial and not ideological, and that the establishment of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders will end the conflict."
 
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[oberliner]

1. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x158720

[Scurrilous]

2. Lieberman (Avigdor): The unfaithful cannot be citizens

Avigdor Lieberman appears at Saban Center for Middle East policy in Washington where he says that those who are not faithful to Israel cannot expect to have full rights

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3338320,00.html

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"Minister for Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman addressed an audience at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy in Washington where he presented his political agenda: "Israel has the right
to demand full allegiance from all its citizens. He who is not ready to recognize Israel as a Jewish and Zionist state, cannot be a citizen in the country. This applies to extremists of the Neturei Karta as well as to extremist factions of the Islamic Movement."

He slammed Israeli Arab MKs for meeting Syrian and Lebanese officials and expressing their support for Hizbullah .

"It is unacceptable that a senator or a representative in the American house of representatives assist Afghanistan during the war and meet with Bin-Laden and al-Qaeda leaders, express his support for their war against the US and be allowed to return to serve in Congress," he said.

"The peace process is based on three false basic assumptions: That the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the main fact of instability in the Middle East, that the conflict is territorial and not ideological, and that the establishment of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders will end the conflict."

[krispos42]

3. Might want to edit that subject line there

People will think it's Senator Joe Lieberman, late of the Democrat Party

[Reterr]

4. I thought it was the other one at first.eom

[Violet_Crumble]

5. Mr. Lieberman is an extremist...

I don't understand why idiots like him get Ministries in the Israeli govt, let alone ones that sound like they carry a bit of power...

[pelsar]

7. democracy...

is not his strong point......
(as to why....because the well meaning designers of the israeli govt system were foolish and niave and dreamers......)

[Douglas Carpenter]

6. is it realistic to expect Palestinians with Israeli citizenship to endorse

Zionist ideology even if they like many things about Israel?

[cali]

8. In a word. No.

And by installing someone like Lieberman, Olmert offers his contempt of not only the large Palestinian and Arab minority, but all other minorities, but the many Jewish Israelis who find hi word morally inexcusable.

[pelsar]

9. minorities can be loyal to the state...

i believe the United Kingdom is considered a christian country yet its many jewish/muslim et citizens have died defending it.

The druz in israel have no problem with defending their country, they too are arabs. The Bedouin also despite descrimination as minorities also protect their country.

Being loyal to your country doesnt require blanket endorsement of all its policies, which in fact change in time.

How about the US in the 1940s. How many blacks died for the US despite the massive descrimination?.... Fighting and defending your country express a belief in the democracy that it despite its faults its still a good place to live.

[David__77]

10. There is no law requiring British subjects to uphold monarchy.

They are free to form republican political parties, for instance. This Lieberman character is saying that Israeli citizens should be prohibited from campaigning for lawful changes in the political order of that country. Like in China, you cannot advocate the end of the "socialist order," in Israel you must uphold the "Zionist order." They are not democratic in the Western sense. I'm OK with that, but don't agree with Zionist ideologically.

[pelsar]

11. lieberman is an asshole...

who has "russian tendancies"....there was poll done in israel a while back..seems the "russians" prefer dictatorship or "strong leaders who can ignore democracy" to further the national goals...

[newyorican]

12. Wow...

...now that's a broad brush.

[pelsar]

13. yes it is....

but there are some characteristics to all groups....just as there are exceptions to those same groups. Thats why the professions of anthropology, sociology, etc have a lot to write about.

Israelis are known to be aggressive, loudmouthed etc....it may be a broad brush, but if you ask the hoteliers in europe they will most likely agree