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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:49 PM
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The War Isn’t Over, But Israel Has Lost

Tony Karon


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“But what choice did Israel have?” say those in its amen corner in the U.S. “No normal society would tolerate rocket fire on its territory. Hamas left it no option.”

Well, actually, as Jimmy Carter explains from first-hand experience, Israel had plenty of alternatives and chose to ignore them, because it remains locked into the failed U.S.-backed policy of trying to overturn the democratic verdict of the 2006 Palestinian election that made Hamas the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority. The primary Israeli-U.S.-European strategy here (tacitly backed by Arab autocrats from Mubarak to Mahmoud Abbas) has been to apply increasingly strict economic sanctions, in the hope that choking off the chances of a decent life for the 1.5 million people of Gaza would somehow force them to reverse their political choice. Collective punishment, in other words. So, even when Hamas observed a cease-fire between June and November, Israel refused to open the border crossings. When the exchange of fire began again on November 5 when Israel raided what it said was a Hamas tunnel, Hamas escalated its rocket fire but made clear that it would restore and extend the cease-fire if Israel agreed to open the border crossings. Israel’s answer, Carter explains, was if Hamas ceased firing, Israel would allow 15% of the normal traffic of goods into Gaza. And it’s any surprise that Hamas was not prepared to settle for just a 15% loosening of the economic stranglehold?

Hamas appeared to believe that creating a crisis would force Israel to agree to new terms. Whether this was a mistaken belief or not actually remains to be seen: If the truce that ends Israel’s Operation Cast Lead leaves Hamas intact and includes the lifting of the siege, it will claim vindication. Even now, Israeli leaders continue to insist, idiotically, that Hamas cannot be allowed to achieve any diplomatic gains as a result of any truce that must, of necessity, require its diplomatic cooperation. Just as in 2006, the Israelis have achieved the exact opposite political result to what they intended: They have made it abundantly obvious, even to the incoming U.S. administration, that the policy of trying to isolate Hamas is spectacularly dysfunctional, and will have to be abandoned as a matter of urgency.

Even as the realization begins to dawn that their adversary, once again, will emerge politically stronger from a military pummeling, the Israelis contemplate one last bloody foray into the heart of Gaza City, hoping that military action can weaken Hamas and force it to surrender to Israel’s terms. Some American policymakers even cling to the fantasy that they can reimpose the regime of the pliant Mahmoud Abbas on Gaza — a pathetic fantasy, to be sure, because close observers of Palestinian politics know that the only thing keeping Abbas in charge of the West Bank, right now, is the presence of the Israeli Defense Force, and it’s willingness to lock up his opponents. Conveniently, for example, Abbas doesn’t have to deal with his own legislature, which is dominated by Hamas, because Israel has locked up most of the legislators. Mahmoud Abbas has allowed himself to be turned into a Palestinian Petain, and even much of the rank and file of his own Fatah party has turned against him. Not even the Israelis believe he could control Gaza without them, and they are not inclined to stay.

If Hamas is not allowed to govern in Gaza, chances are that nobody will govern in Gaza. It will look more like Mogadishu than like the West Bank — a chaotic cauldron run by rival warlords, with Hamas — no longer responsible for governance — the most powerful political-military presence (although al-Qaeda will fancy its chances of setting up shop if the Hamas government is overthrown — Hamas is the greatest bulwark against Bin Laden’s crowd gaining a foothold in Gaza).

read on, dear readers, read on!!!
http://tonykaron.com/2009/01/09/the-battle-isnt-over-but-israel-has-lost-the-war/




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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:02 PM
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1. How do you govern with a kill your neighbor ethos?
Seriously. They don't believe Israel should exist and then get pissy when Israel returns the favor? Guess what? This is what killing your neighbor looks like. Don't like it? DON'T PREACH IT.

And I thought BushCo was irony challenged.

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:44 PM
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6. There must be a fair, comprehensive peace settlement.
You want the fanatics to go away? Suck the oxygen out of the room--and please, I only mean that metaphorically--by treating the Palestinians as human beings with the same rights and freedoms as anyone else.

No justice, no peace makes a nice slogan, but's that's basically it, isn't it? Oppress the Palestinians forever and face resistance forever, or try something else.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:29 PM
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8. How do you govern when the second you win elections, you are blacklisted?
When Hamas won the elections, they combined with the Fatah governments top officials to form a unity government to try to work out a peace agreement with Israel. Israel refused to meet, saying they wouldn't negotiate with Hamas because they were a terrorist organization.

Neither Israel nor Hamas is innocent here.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 07:04 PM
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10. You're looking for innocence in the Middle East?
Are you quite mad?
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 09:02 PM
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12. I am not looking for innocence
But you seem to think Israel has no blood on their hands, nor have I seen you admit that they have committed crimes against humanity. No one is denying that Hamas has done wrong by Palestinians and Israeli's, but you give me the impression that Israel was forced into killing Palestinians by Hamas' action.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:11 PM
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2. Are the Palestinians in Gaza celebrating?
They can't afford many victories like this (well, maybe the leaders of Hamas can afford it).
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:15 PM
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3. No, apparently they are smiling at "martyring" themselves
Feels so good to die, and have innocent civilians die.

Talk about political suicide.

It;s the Militant Islamists who have lost: their morals, their ethics, their kindness, their common sense, their minds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/09fighter.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

Anyone who sees pleasure in others' pain is just sick in the head.


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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:17 PM
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4. That Article, Sir, Deserves Its Own Thread
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:18 PM
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5. Will do nt
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:58 PM
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7. Anyone who is seriously interested in understanding the Palestinian POV needs to read this entire
piece.

It is truly an excellent analysis. If nothing else, it helps bridge the "disconnect" between what is discussed in America, and how Palestinians view the situation.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:35 PM
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9. I agree that they've lost. I think everyone will come away from this with the realization
that a military solution is not possible.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 08:18 PM
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11. It almost makes me wonder if Al Qaeda has some sort of shadowy political action committee in Isreal
That causes Israel to disregard it's own interests and shoot itself in the foot.

It must be called the Al Qaeda Israel Political Action Committee or AIPAC for short.

It would be more productive for Israel to bomb Gaza with money, than invade it.
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