Treatment stops for Palestinian patients

[Swede]

A few days after Israel’s attacks in Gaza started at the end of December, the Palestinian Authority’s health ministry in Ramallah decided it would not pay for Gazans wounded from the assault to be treated at Israeli hospitals.

Instead, it directed hundreds of the injured to obtain care in Egypt and other countries in the region. After the 22-day Israeli military operation, the decision was expanded to all other Palestinian patients in Gaza and the West Bank.


http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090312/FOREIGN/51254305/1011/ART

[PDJane]

1. That's another war crime.

By their own people this time. This is outrageous. However, Israel should be paying for the treatment of Palestinians anyway; the occupier is responsible for the needs of the occupied.

[azurnoir]

2. So the PA decided that Israel should not profit

from maiming Gazans oooooooh what an offense, but no one should question Israel demanding to be payed to treat its civilian victims?

[pelsar]

3. if you dont have facts..why do you make things up?

So the PA decided that Israel should not profit....

since this happens all of the time here....i'll ask you directly....since i doubt you have the cost/profit spreadsheet for the hospital work on PA patients...you probably just made it up........

why?

[azurnoir]

4. I did not make it up

but why should Israel be paid to treat those who IDF wounded?
Oh and medical spreadsheets I might know more than you think

[pelsar]

5. heres your chance...got a spreadsheet of israeli hospital costs and PA payments...

i guess you didnt read the article..it includes ALL PA patients...like those who have cancer (wait, let me guess: israel gave them cancer as well.....)

Hundreds of Palestinian patients, many of them children, are no longer receiving crucial medical treatments at Israeli hospitals for cancer and other diseases after the Palestinian Authority stopped paying for their care following Israel’s onslaught in the Gaza Strip.


so about that proof....and if by chance you cant find it (I assume you have it handy.....) my question still stands:

why did you make it up?

[azurnoir]

6. that is not what I said

I said I have more knowledge of hospital charges and spreadsheets than you seem to think and that includes Israeli patients in the US
but here's your chance you think that Israel should be paid to treat the wounds it inflicted? Perhaps they should also charge the cost of the ordinance too?
As for the cancer patients Israel is holding tax and other monies that are or were slated for the Palestinians

btw aren't Palestinians routinely denied access to Israeli medical facilitates for "security" reasons?

bur because I can not produce an Israeli spreadsheet well its all false IMO considering the surronding facts its all BS and falsity is your "outrage"

[shira]

7. Israel didn't give Palestinian children cancer

Should the PA pay Israel for children's cancer treatment?

And, where's your sympathy for Palestinians and their children who will receive inferior treatment in Egypt or Jordan? Given a choice, don't Palestinians deserve the best medical treatment they can get? Let's admit it's pretty fucking stupid for the PA to put politics over health, okay? If you really cared for Palestinians, this should enrage you as much as Egypt and Iraq's recent efforts to stop sending patients to Israel who need the type of expertise only Israel can offer in that region.

Oh wait - you probably see this only as a public relations propaganda effort on behalf of Israel and its physicians, who really don't care but cynically use these "opportunities" for hasbara. Is that the way you view this? What I would give to see the PA do this type of 'hasbara' and show the world a more tolerant and humane face. I certainly wouldn't be a cynic and hold any of their good faith efforts against them.

[azurnoir]

9. Iraq was sending patients to Israel?

well that is news indeed

apparently Palestinians only deserve the best care if they are willing to pay Israel to treat those civilians whom Israel injured in the first place. Israels refusal to treat pediatric cancer patients most of whom are from the West Bank while holding millions in Palestinian funds for nonpayment is supposed to distract from that

but meanwhile

Israel plans free eye surgery for Vietnamese patients

http://www.lookatvietnam.com/2009/02/israel-plans-free-eye-surgery-for-vietnamese-patients.html

hasbara indeed

[shira]

11. do you make this up as you go?

show where Israel refuses to treat Palestinian cancer patients, or turns them away. This is such a ridiculous accusation because we all know that even if Israel refused, there would be a HUGE outcry just from Israel's citizenry for doing something as ludicrous as this.

I have a follow up question, but one thing at a time. I'll wait for your proof.

[azurnoir]

12. Is this your post ?

Should the PA pay Israel for children's cancer treatment?

And, where's your sympathy for Palestinians and their children who will receive inferior treatment in Egypt or Jordan? Given a choice, don't Palestinians deserve the best medical treatment they can get? Let's admit it's pretty fucking stupid for the PA to put politics over health, okay? If you really cared for Palestinians, this should enrage you as much as Egypt and Iraq's recent efforts to stop sending patients to Israel who need the type of expertise only Israel can offer in that region.

[shira]

17. so you made it up, thanks.

[azurnoir]

18. I made your post up ?

wow do tell but once again is this your post?

Israel didn't give Palestinian children cancer

Should the PA pay Israel for children's cancer treatment?

also see post #15 for more info

[Vegasaurus]

19. You make things up a lot

and then turn other people's questions around, all the while ignoring that you are providing no proof for the made up lies you post.

[azurnoir]

20. Shira should thank you for at least trying to clean up n/t

[shira]

23. what does my post have to do with your fantasies?

where do you find anywhere in my own words, or in any press, that Israel has turned back Palestinians looking for medical treatment?

[azurnoir]

24. I am almost starting to feel bad for you Shira

what was the title of the OP?

[shira]

25. you claim that Israel refuses to treat Palestinians

and the fact is that the PA will no longer send patients to Israel for treatment, nor pay for them. So it's not Israel refusing to treat Palestinians, it is the PA refusing to send patients into Israel. You are making up false stories about Israel refusing to treat Palestinian cancer patients.

[azurnoir]

27. You tried to float this same boatload a month ago

comment #15 its all there

[shira]

28. I looked at comment #15

maybe you can quote precisely where it says Israel is turning away Palestinians looking for medical treatment.

[pelsar]

10. ah shucks..just admit you made it up...

so the PA decided that Israel should not profit from maiming Gazans

thats what you wrote....i then asked for your proof that israeli hospitals make profits from treating gazans.....well?

if you dont have any....(and of course you dont)....so why did you write it?

[azurnoir]

13. So Israel is treating Palestinians at a loss?

but ya I can not prove or disprove you got on that one small item, however the central fact that Israel expects to be paid to treat it's Palestinian civilian victims remains

[pelsar]

14. The central fact is that you made up your own facts...again.....

with the usual to demonize israel.....

it happens a lot around here and not only is there no excuse for it, it shows how one has little respect for truth and facts.......

usually your a lot more subtle about your accusations and leave yourself a "out".....this instance i guess you forgot to.

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israeli hospitals all have govt assistance since they all work in the red....I have no idea if there is or there isnt a differential billing system for citizens with basic gvot insurance and non citizens-maybe there is and maybe there isnt. i would hardly venture forth to express an opinion on something i know so little about.

but that hardly stops many around here.

[azurnoir]

15. Demonize Israel?

while Israel may or may not profit from treating Palestinians, in one post you said you did not know and then claimed in another that Israeli hospitals operated in the red. However profit can be far more than monetary and the PR "profit" here is or could be quite valuable except apparently now Israel is refusing to treat or continue treatment on pediatric cancer patients and well that could look bad, this story is a weak attempt to forestall that and rather old news from a month ago

Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem says that for the past week, no payments have come in and Palestinians whose children it is treating have been instructed by Palestinian health officials to place them in facilities in the West Bank, Jordan or Egypt.

Dr. Abu Moghli said that with 24 hospitals in Gaza and the West Bank, there was no reason for so many Palestinian patients to go automatically to Israeli facilities, which he said were much more expensive and contributed to a culture of dependency.

“We can’t pay our government salaries this month, but at the same time I have to pay Israeli hospitals so much,” he said. “The Israelis have refused to reduce their costs.”

“We already pay $7 million a month to Israeli hospitals,” he said in a telephone interview. “Since the first day of the Gaza aggression, I said that I will not send to my occupier my injured people in order for him to make propaganda at my expense, and then pay him for it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/world/middleeast/10patients.html?_r=1&hp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=259481

if you look at the DU thread you will find my stance has not changed much

[pelsar]

21. i dont expect you stance to change...i do expect facts and not fantasy.....

as predicted, none of your links proved anything.....one has no idea what costs for the PA patients are since it doesnt seem to be publicized...i.e. impossible to know if there is a profit as you claimed.

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to me its obvious you have a stance, whether or not the facts support it, and infact, when they dont support you, you'll simply make them up or insinuate that they do......

[azurnoir]

22. Do you think that no one reads anything but the title line?

you got the truth a few posts back whyn do you keep it up? i admitted I do not know the exact costs of treating Palestinians why do keep on harping on it? I also said that profit can be things other than monetary such as propaganda, but still you keep up, geez maybe lay off the coffee

ETA oops just realized the time difference hopefully your not drinking coffee 420 pm here is 1220 am there ?

[Raineyb]

8. What difference does the spreadsheets make. Why should

anyone pay the entity that's injuring its citizens in the first place?

Regards

[excess_3]

16. patient dumping

only works once

[Taitertots]

26. Somehow this is supposed to be Israel's fault

They refuse the fantastic medical treatment being made available to them and somehow people are trying to bemoan Israel.