Jewish conference calls for "building Third Temple on ruins of Al-Aqsa Mosque"

[mudplanet]

Jewish conference calls for "building Third Temple on ruins of Al-Aqsa Mosque"
Wednesday, 05 January 2011 14:00


A conference of ultra-orthodox Hasidic Jews in West Jerusalem has called for the destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque and the building of the "third temple" on its ruins. In response, the Aqsa Foundation for Endowment and Heritage warned of an escalation of the attempts by the Israeli occupation authorities and "its arms" - conferences such as this - to promote construction of the so-called "third temple" at the expense of Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock.

In a press release, the Foundation said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is behind these calls. The Jewish groups pushing for the temple have urged Netanyahu to fulfil his promise that in the event of his re-election, he would approve and arrange for Jewish prayers to be held in Al-Aqsa.

Ultra-orthodox Hasidim have become more active in recent weeks, targeting Al-Aqsa Mosque, desecrating it and working towards its "Judaization". Reports and pictures from the conference held on 30th December have been published on a number of right-wing and ultra-orthodox websites. The conference, it is claimed, was held especially to address the Temple issue. Its programme included demonstrations of the rituals to be observed in a new temple; the organisers presented the conference as if such rituals would be taking place in situ sooner rather than later. Right-wing Israeli groups have demanded that the Israeli Prime Minister makes the necessary arrangements with the police so that Jews can pray inside Al-Aqsa. Letters dating from 1995 and 2005 have been produced as evidence of Netanyahu’s promise to facilitate such prayers if he became Prime Minister for a second term; he was re-elected in 2009.

Successive Israeli governments have played down claims that Jews are planning to demolish Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock and replace the historic Islamic sites with a Jewish temple, despite the overwhelming evidence that many organisations within Israel and in the Jewish diaspora have that as their prime aim. Some ultra-orthodox Jews say that it is forbidden for Jews to pray anywhere with Al-Aqsa Sanctuary as they have no idea where the "Holy of Holies" lies; historically, only the High Priest of the temple was allowed to enter that inner sanctum.

Read the rest: http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/middle-east/1920-jewish-conference-calls-for-qbuilding-third-temple-on-ruins-of-al-aqsa-mosqueq

[the other one]

1. Yawn. Hasids are the Jewish answer to Christian fundamentalists.

But calling hasids "ultra-orthodox" is like calling baptists "ultra-orthodox"

[mudplanet]

2. The difference being that the US govt doesn't issue automatic weapons to

the students at Liberty University and give them a license to brutalize non-fundies and steal their homes.

What minute, maybe it does. Maybe you're right.

On second thought, since Israel only exists because of US aid, it's the US govt using my tax dollars to put automatic weapons in the hands of the Jewish fundies.

[Mosby]

4. jews can't even pray on the temple mount

For fear of upsetting muslims, so the idea that anyone will be building a third temple is just wishful thinking.

[Tesha]

5. How do folks know if someone is praying? (NT)

[azurnoir]

6. You mean the Muslims that are 'sometimes' allowed to worship there?

All Muslim citizens of Israel are normally allowed to enter and pray at the al-Aqsa Mosque. Israel occasionally prevents certain groups of Muslims from reaching Al-Aqsa; the restrictions vary from time to time. At times restrictions have prevented all men under 50<73> (but married men 45-50 have sometimes been allowed<74>), and women under 30<74> from entering. Sometimes the restrictions are enforced on the occasion of Friday prayers,<73> other times they are over an extended period of time.<75> Restrictions are most severe for Gazans, followed by restrictions on those from West Bank. Restrictions are relatively relaxed on Arabs from Israel and east Jerusalem.<76> Israel states that the restrictions are in place for security reasons.

Many rabbis, including Israel's chief rabbinate since 1967, have ruled that Jews should not walk on the Temple Mount due to the possibility of their stepping on the site of the Holy of Holies.<77> Israeli governmental restrictions only forbid Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount, but allow Jews as well as other non-Muslims to visit for certain hours on certain days in the week. Several rabbis and Zionist leaders have demanded the right of Jews to pray at the site on Jewish holidays.<78> Although the Israeli Supreme Court has supported individual (as opposed to group) prayer, in practice Israeli police bar a Jew from praying "in any overt manner whatsoever on the Temple Mount, even if he is just moving his lips in prayer."<79>

This page was last modified on 4 January 2011 at 16:18.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque

[CJvR]

9. Since...

...it is so easy to throw stones from the mount down on the wailing wall limiting access don't seem unreasonable.

[mudplanet]

13. Almost as easy as firing missles into populated areas from an Apache helicopter,

shooting little boys from a tank, or shooting white phosphorous artillery shells into Gaza with a cannon, both shell and cannon supplied free by the US government.

Or shooting unarmed protesters who are trying to stop you from bulldozing a two hundred year old orchard with an M16 supplied courtesy of my tax dollars.

[shira]

17. Colonel Kemp says they don't do that at all - they do more than any other nation in the history

....of warfare to limit civilian casualties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo

That includes US, UK, and NATO forces.

Don't believe him? That's okay, because Hamas does. Hamas has ultimate faith in the humanity of the IDF and IAF...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=243726&mesg_id=243726

Hamas wouldn't do that if they didn't trust Israel's armed forces.

[mudplanet]

18. Colonel Kemp? You mean the minster for propaganda, don't you?

[sabbat hunter]

10. you seem to be stuck

on the money that the US gives to Israel.

If the US didn't give one dime to Israel would you still rail against Israel like you currently do?

[mudplanet]

11. If the US didn't underwrite the state of Israel it wouldn't have the policies

it has now. The only reason it can carry on it's massive, ongoing campaign of human rights violations is because the United States floats the country economically and militarily. I refer you to the CRS Issue Brief for Congress http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/IB85066.pdf or you can do the research yourself.

If the US hadn't given Israel nearly a half trillion dollars then Israel would have had to figure out a way to exist within its Arab neighborhood without continuous war and apartheid. These crimes are on my head because they us my tax dollars to make it possible.

I oppose governments that conduct campaigns of violence and human rights violations everywhere, but I'm particularly opposed to paying for it out of my own pocket. How do you feel about it?

[sabbat hunter]

14. I feel that

you have a strong anti Israel agenda that you are trying to push via "I do not want to pay for it" false front.

There a lot worse atrocities around the world, including in Gaza by Hamas against the Palestinians.

You seem to also fail to realize that Israel was not always the aggressor in those wars, but was invaded by outside armies, or was attacked by illegal militas\terror groups (hizbullah comes to mind).

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[mudplanet]

19. I feel that

you have a strong Zionist agenda that you are trying to push by denying the reality of ongoing Israeli human rights crimes and claiming that Israeli policies are justified as self-defense, but you seem to fail to realize that none of the people living in Palestine today had anything to do with the wars in the 1940s and 1960s and that denying their rights is a violation of international law. But I think you do realize that, you just don't care because those people that are being brutalized are non-Jews and Arabs.

There are worse atrocities around the world, but none so serious and ongoing being paid with my tax dollar, which makes me an unwilling party to the crimes.
I don't want to do anything to Israel, I don't want anything bad to happen to Israel, I just want to stop paying for Israeli crimes.

[azurnoir]

3. Israel has been 'excavating' under Al Aqsa for decades

in what some say is an attempt to collapse the structure

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/middle-east/1147-israeli-minister-visits-excavations-under-jerusalem-and-al-aqsa-mosque

http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_islam/6.htm

and of course the always 'factual' YNet's version of the story

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3802112,00.html

[sabbat hunter]

15. and the PA

excavated near the western wall to build an underground mosque, thereby destroying possible archeological finds and damaging the wall.

Both sides are doing this, which does not necessarily make it right, but something that should be noted.

[cali]

7. yes, there are nutcases on both sides.

the hope is that most folks don't get sucked in to the nutty plans and dreams of fundamentalists.

[CJvR]

8. Well...

...as long as the faithful insists on building on eachothers holy sites they have to be prepared for some of their temples to be leveled once the other guys are back in command of an area. IIRC there was a mosque leveled by Hindu fundies a few years back. Needless to say all such cultural barbarism, like the Taliban blowing up of the Buddha statues, is contemptible.

[mudplanet]

12. The Indian govt. rebuilt that Mosque.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

20. Not the one I'm know of

The most famous example I know of of Hindu militants destroying a mosque was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri

The Indian state responded by giving two thirds of the site to Hindus, and allowing the mosque to be rebuilt on only one third.