Flight AA 77 a UFO?

[BeFree]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-ustran0622,0,6693016.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

WASHINGTON -- For 36 minutes on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Flight 77 raced from Ohio toward Washington, and not a single air-traffic controller knew where it was.

The plane's lengthy stealth, documented Thursday by the Sept. 11 commission, occurred partly because the hijackers turned off, with ease, the device that signals a plane's identity and location to ground controllers.

A transponder, which looks like a car radio in a plane cockpit, sends a radio signal to air-traffic controllers who monitor high-altitude planes. The signal appears on a radar screen as a block of numbers showing a plane's altitude, speed, destination and flight number. A line on the radar screen points from the number block to the plane's location

Suspecting mechanical problems and a possible crash, the controllers had called police and Langley Air Force Base in Virginia, home to fighter jets that respond to hijackings. But the controllers didn't ask for jets. They asked for search and rescue.

From the Newsday article we learn that AA 77 was "Lost" from radar. They actually thought the plane had crashed. They called Langley and asked for search and rescue.

Those that feel that AA 77 was not the object that hit the pentagon have their case bolstered by this report. Whatever hit the pentagon was a UFO - Unidentified Flying Object. The controllers didn't know what it was, they thought AA 77 had crashed!

The theory that AA 77 landed and was replaced by another aircraft may be right. This report confirms that very real possibility.

When controllers finally detected what the 'official story' says was AA 77 on radar after "losing it" (crashed/landed) above Cleveland, the plane was just six minutes from hitting the Pentagon. But the fact is: What they saw on radar was a UFO.

[Wickerman]

1. I know no debris found looks like aircraft, but why the plane switch?

That is the part my tinfoilhat gets too tight on. I haven't seena good explanation for why.

/donsflamesuit + /duncecap

[BeFree]

6. Why the plane switch?

The theories I have read point to a large plane just barely skimming the top of the pentagon, while at the same time a missile of some sort hits the building, and the larger plane flying on and landing at raygoon's airport leaving the impression that it had hit the building.

AA 77 would have to be switched or the flight and it's passengers would all be sitting at raygoon's.

Lunabush, we are all wearing duncecaps of a sort. The facts of that day leave everyone guessing and wondering. Loose ends and all that.

Peace.

[Old and In the Way]

8. Soooooooo

where'd the passengers go?

Gotta account for those passengers.

Now here's an interesting story that makes one wonder what was going on at Cleveland Hopkins Airport on 9/11....

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323

[Joe_VB]

2. The device is called an IFF transponder. It stands for ...

Interrogation Friend or Foe. The IFF box sends out flight data ie..altitude, speed, direction, flight number. I used to work on the military version.

[BeFree]

29. Your Attention Please...

Later on in this thread, a reader points out an incorrect part of the report from Newsday. Newsday claims that AA 77 was over Cleveland. The correct report is that AA 77 was in southern Ohio when it was 'Lost' by Air Traffic Control.

Just goes to show, once again, how you must not fully believe everything that is written.

However, the use of the wrong name-place for the location of AA 77 has no real bearing on the rest of the story......

Befree

[Dogmudgeon]

3. But it's not a productive theory

The problem is that there's really no reason for making flight 77 disappear. And simply looking at the Pentagon debris field is extremely misleading becuase of the way the Pentagon was built. ANY explosion in the Pentagon is going to be "ducted away" because aerodynamically, the Pentagon is like a series of pipes.

The plane was travelling at nearly the speed of sound when it hit the Pentagon. If you weren't looking at it, you would miss it if you were to blink. And jet aircraft are not particularly robust, they're scarcely more than inflated aluminum foil. It's good engineering, but bad protection.

I don't dismiss the tinfoilers out-of-hand, but they're working from an incomplete set of data. If any of the more learned students of 9/11 can correct or fill in the lapses in my information, I'd welcome it. But it's going to be extremely difficult to point to a scenario that makes sense in any event. Our best hope is that IF this was an inside job, one of the perps will come forward and 'fess up.

--bkl

[BeFree]

13. Filling you in, BKL

Whether there was a reason or not, AA 77 did disappear. That's a known fact. How does that strike you? Do you just say, Oh well, and dismiss it?

There have been many ex parte examinations of the debris field and none have yet turned up any evidence of AA 77 at the scene. The state has not delivered any evidence yet that we can be rest assured is evidence contrary to our findings. Why is that? What are they hiding from us?

While AA 77 was not really "inflated aluminum" it was somewhat fragile - compared to the pentagon. But why then did it just "fold up and disappear" into the fortified building, as your theory states? Why didn't it just lump up on the outside? Following your expertise(?) that's what one would expect. It would just have accordianed on the outside, being "inflated aluminum" and all that.

[Old and In the Way]

14. I've yet to see any definitive statements,pics, data that confirms

77 in the Pentagon. I've seen lots of metal scrap, but where are the pics of-

* 2 engines?
* seats ( I know, they burned up....how about some frames? )
* anything that is unique to a 757?

The structural damage done internally is pretty well documented, but that presupposes some mass that should remain in the building...where'd it go? All those structural posts got taken out and the plane turned into chips and melted aluminum?

And what made that 10' diameter hole in the C ring? An engine? The fuselage? I saw a rubber tire (intact).....but nothing filling that hole.

So, the visual evidence I have seen to date hasn't convinced me that 77 crashed into the Pentagon. But there has to be definitive proof in pictures that the 9/11 commission can release (or the Pentagon for that matter) that proves the planes existance there. There had to have been 100s of pictures being taken by Pentagon employees that document the proof....so where is it?

[Dogmudgeon]

18. Rest easy, BeFree

I am not hostile to theories that are unacceptable to the Powers That Be, nor do I think they're a waste of time. The difficulty is that it is so easy to gainsay any of the theories. Most of them are not even useful yet to other investigators or students of 9/11.

Unfortunately, most anomalies really are anomalies. They are not explained, and most are not even explainable. When that happens, as you've probably seen, they tend to "disappear," themselves. For instance, planes routinely "disappear" from traffic control contact -- only this time, the plane is presumed to have crashed into the Pentagon. Reconstruction of lost data may provide clues to a plane switch or some other suspicious event. But can that data set be found?

Just to flesh out my own point on the Pentagon crash, the aircraft absorbed so much energy so fast that very few of its parts were able to stay in one piece. A lot of it was vaporized and burned in the explosion of the fuel. There are certain to be a lot of unexplained findings. Most anomalies are not going to be visible to the untrained eye. With the kind of destruction these plane crashes created, it will be a needle-in-a-haystack proposition, and it is quite easy for Plausable Deniablility to be used by anyone who knows anything or has any responsibility.

Nearly every one of the events of 9/11 have this same suspiciously easy-to-refute quality -- but there's no way to tie it together. Common anomalies, like loss of radar contact, fortuitously happened during critical points in the flight paths. Jet fighters were grounded or their commands didn't get word of the hijackings. And it strongly appears that Bush himself was responding to a series of non-existent threats that have never been made public.

And that's my point -- we have a lot of questions and have found a lot of anomalies, but have nowhere to go with it yet. It's the same problem that plagued investigators of the assassination of JFK. None of the theories about the effects will be valuable until "we" can get information out of whoever is behind it. That's the vital, central, major stumbling block right now. I'm not raising it to "debunk" any findings, but we can certainly expect these debunkings to be used against investigators. Investigators and survivors who ask even simple questions have now become targets of ridicule.

I don't oppose looking into these anomalies. But I think a lot of effort will have to go into finding the "Smoking Gun", or at least indisputable evidence of it. I don't think we have it yet, but it's what we really need to find.

I hope you, and other 9/11 invstigators, don't take offense. The challenges are extremely daunting, and the people who want these suspicious findings to go away have all the power, even the power within arguments for "extended foul play." At this point, we could find the presumed hijackers all alive and well and running a kosher deli and the official investigation would still be able to explain it away.

But somewhere, hidden under piles of debris, recorded data, memories of conversations or even deep within a guilty conscience, the key may yet be found. With all the religiomania involved in the Bush White House and among al-Qaeda, I'm betting on the guilty conscience.

--bkl

[John Doe II]

37. How can it have vaporized?

The explanation that Flight 77 and 93 have vaporized are often mentioned. What I don't really get is: It's accepted fact that the airplane crashed in the first and second floor of the Pentagon. If it completely vaporized how can you explain that the lawn is completely untouched and how can it be explained that the several remaining debris show no black traces?
Moreover just to come back to the basics: Why the hell does the FBI not simply offer access to the black box of Flight 77? All questions answered? Why does the Pentagon not show the videos they do have: the video of their security camera, the video of the hotel, the video of the gas station, the video of the traffic surveillance etc.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/fct-videos.html

[Abe Linkman]

38. Vaporized seems to be a vaguely defined word.

I think people who are familiar with most of the "known" facts about FL 77, concluded a long, long time ago, that it did NOT crash, and that is exactly why no credible evidence has been offered in support of the Official Conspiracy Theory.

The factual conspiracy is a whole different matter. And, that is why most of us are here: to try and figure out what really happened at the Pentagon.

Welcome to DU.

[NickB79]

20. Velocity

"Why didn't it just lump up on the outside?"

I can take a lead pellet for my pellet rifle and smush it flat with my bare fingers because the lead used is so soft. Fire it at 800 feet per second and it will zip through both sides of a full can of soda. Given enough velocity, a very fragile object can still achieve substantial penetration.

[BeFree]

22. A soda can?

Now fire that bullet into the side of the pentagon. I dare ya!

See how far it penetrates. I bet it lumps up on the outside. And, no, I won't bail you out of jail if'n you do shoot the pentagon.

[NickB79]

39. I was making a comparison

A small, very soft pellet hitting a much harder can of soda that offers significant resistance can still penetrate. Similarly, a fragile (yet carrying significant momentum due to mass) airliner hitting a large building like the Pentagon would also penetrate. Both do so because of a very high velocity.

The construction of the plane that hit the Pentagon was quite similar to that of those that hit the Twin Towers. I don't recall seeing the second plane just crumple up and fall to the ground on impact with the WTC. Granted, the Pentagon is more heavily constructed, but the kinetic energy of many hundreds of tons of matieral impacting at hundreds of miles per hr has to be distributed somewhere, and that somewhere was the side of the building.

[BeFree]

40. "....Pentagon is more heavily constructed..."

The Pentagon was built to withstand BOMBS. Soda cans are.....

The thing is that elswhere in this thread are theories of the planes becoming "DUST" or "FLECKS" or "VAPOR", it seems like ya'lls theories are all over the place. I'm not buying any of 'em. You shouldn't either.
Don't you find it odd that something went all the way through several walls of the pentagon and leaving an 8 foot hole in a quite solid looking exterior wall, but the item was nowhere evident?

The fact is that we do not know what hit the pentagon. Sadly, the theory of a big old boeing as the item is the most unlikely. All we know is that as far as the FAA is concerned, it was a UFO. Because that's all they are telling us, because that's all the FAA knows.

As for the FBI, etc., they ain't telling us the whole truth, right?

[Abe Linkman]

42. UFO ran out of kinetic energy & collapsed after making that circle hole.

Sucker just collapsed until there was nothing left but a little pile of rubble. Made that exit hole wound, and then, in a fit of glory, just flat-out collapsed. Waitin' for the Rapture. (rupture?)

[Old and In the Way]

4. Over Cleveland, Ohio?

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This seems to be the official 77 route on 9/11......I find that "bump" mighty odd. Was this a delaying maneuver awaiting 93 that was delayed 20 minutes on the Tarmac in Newark?

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93 Looks like plane that overflew Ohio.

[BeFree]

16. Cleveland keeps popping up, eh?

Planes disappeared over Cleveland, and planes turned around over Cleveland. 9/11 and Cleveland have an awful lot in common.

Then there is your other link about how there was a plane X at Cleveland on 9/11, and another plane with maybe a bomb.

What the hell is so special at Cleveland? Is it the NASA complex, or what?

[aquart]

5. What utterly pointless idiocy.

Really.

So far as I'm concerned, this is disinformation designed to distract from legitimate investigation.

And why go into the inherent racism that refuses to believe ME brown guys could plan so well and do so much damage without our brilliant help.

[LittleApple81]

7. Tend to agree with you aquart. Not very productive. n/t

[BeFree]

9. Pot, meet kettle aquart

What disinfo is there? The plane was Lost, presumed by ATC's to have crashed! That's a fact. And one of the few facts that they dare tell us.

As to your ridiculous spewing of racism. Race has nothing to do with the "Caveman did it theory" (the official theory). It has everything to do with the outlandish nature of that theory, however, in that it professes that they accused could fly these planes in such a professional manner. I'm white, most of the hundreds of people I know are white and not a single one of us could fly those planes so expertly without hours and hours of intense training at the 'wheel'.

Frankly, I'm surprised that you, aquart, could be con-serving the official theory. I've read lots of your writings.... I'm surprised at this latest one.

Peace

[Torgo4]

11. Silly, Silly!

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Put the kibosh on the debris/impact issue. When aircraft hit at that high speed they disintegrate, like Swiss Air 111 that hit the ocean at ~400-500 miles an hour. That plane was compacted to dust.

[MercutioATC]

21. Sorta like this, Torgo4.......?

"And you could see the sky sparkling with silver, which I assume was maybe part of the skin of the plane. And it was extraordinary, even what I could see from about five blocks away."


http://www.dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/77/ffdd.html


This is Greta Van Susteren's eyewitness account of the moments after the Pentagon crash.

Yes, planes ARE made out of thin aluminum and DO turn into small pieces when subjected to enough force.

[BeFree]

23. ATC, glad to see ya!

How 'bout that? The ATC'ers thought that AA 77 crashed somewhere around Cleveland! Who'd a thunk it? What do ya think those ATC'ers were smoking?

[MercutioATC]

24. AAL77 never got anywhere near Cleveland.

Where'd you get the idea that they thought it crashed near Cleveland?

[BeFree]

25. Yer kidding, right?

Didn't read the Newsday link, eh?
Well, either you are kidding or you are here solely to obfuscate.
Read the link, if ya want, then get back to us.

[MercutioATC]

26. No, if you trust a rag like Newsday, YOU must be kidding:

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/timeline.html

That's a depiction of AAL77's route.

For those of you that are geographically challenged, Cleveland is on Lake Erie, on the NORTHERN edge of the state...nowhere near AAL77's flight path.

[Bolo Boffin]

27. 93 is the plane that got to Cleveland

This sounds like more muddled reports from the chaos of the day.

[MercutioATC]

28. Agreed, Newsday (once again) screwed up a story.

To further compound the lousy reporting, we never lost UAL93...

[BeFree]

30. You are correct ATC

Newsday did misplace AA 77 over Cleveland. Thanks for pointing that out. However, where AA 77 was lost really has no bearing on the rest of the story. So... what do ya think about the ATC'er thinking AA 77 had crashed? It really was lost, wasn't it? Maybe it landed. Who knows?

[MercutioATC]

33. They may have lost track of it, but the primary target would have shown up

on the radar tapes when the investigators viewed it. The controller may have "lost" it at the time, but the plane still reflected radio waves.

[gbwarming]

34. 911 commission confirms primary returns received but not displayed at ZID

Merc, do you know what these software issues were?

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing12/staff_statement_17.pdf
(pdf page 11)
The failure to find a primary radar return for American 77 led us to investigate this issue further. Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56. But for eight minutes and thirteen seconds, between 8:56 and 9:05, this primary radar information on American 77 was not displayed to controllers at Indianapolis Center. The reasons are technical, arising from the way the software processed radar information, as well as from poor primary radar coverage where American 77 was flying.

Perhaps also of interest: This shows FAA and DOD radar coverage. Only the DOD radar on the borders has height finding capability. Can the FAA ATC see altitude information from the DOD sites realtime? It doesn't look like the altitude readings from the ASRS-4 perimeter radars would be accurate enough for ATC (plus/minus 1500ft).
http://spacecom.grc.nasa.gov/icnsconf/docs/2002/11/Session_E2-4_Bussolari.pdf

[MercutioATC]

43. I don't know about these specific issues, but here's what I do know:

Years before 9/11, the FAA began decomissioning primary radar sites because they are expensive to maintain. NATCA (our union) fought them, claiming that it was a safety issue, and they stopped. They did not, however, restore the sites that had already been decomissioned. To the best of my knowledge, most of these sites are in the western half of the U.S. and any affecting Indy Center would have coverage from other radar sites. This, however, might have been a contributing factor.

Center radar is a mosaic display system. It takes radar data from multiple sites, decides which it thinks is the most accurate, and displays that data. Occasionally, the computer makes a....shall we say "unwise"....choice of what data to display and what to suppress. I believe that this may have also been a factor (though all of the raw radar data is stored, so investigators would see ALL of the radar data whether it was displayed on the screen at the time or not).

I really have no experience with military radar, but (perhaps with exceptions in other parts of the country) the FAA does not use military radar data.

[Torgo4]

32. Yep!

However, the landing gear and engines appear to have maintained some structural integrity.
Examining either would tell the type of aircraft.

[DBtv]

10. The issue is not racism or planning.

The critical issue is why the most powerful air defense system in the history of the world did not intercept any of the planes over the course of an hour. That simply is not credible without complicity at the top of the command and control structure. The command had to come from rumsfertau, per the DOD c&c change order of June 01, and he did not give the scramble order, though he was in the war room at the pentagon with up to the second information on each plane's location. This makes directly him complicit and rises above the threshold of LIHOP to MIHOP.

[DulceDecorum]

17. Somewhere in Texas

a village is missing its idiot.
But a plentiful supply of idiots is not to be found
here at the Democratic Underground.
And our diligent mods aim to keep it that way.

Ladies and gentlemen,
there is in this world something called the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. It was set up by the Federal government of the USA to collect data on civil aviation. All large carriers have to report certain information to the BTS and this includes the times that their planes were scheduled to take off and land and also when they actually did take off and land.

According to the BTS database,
only five AA planes took off from Dulles on September 11, 2001.
And NONE of them was Flight 77.
No AA plane that left Dulles was even heading toward California.

AA, 09/11/2001, 0599, N871AA, DFW, 7:49
AA, 09/11/2001, 0771, N3BFAA, SJU, 6:57
AA, 09/11/2001, 0975, N3CAAA, MIA, 7:34
AA, 09/11/2001, 1217, N2ANAA, ORD, 6:26
AA, 09/11/2001, 1361, N493AA, DFW, 6:17

Now, American Airlines has some weird way of identifying their planes on the data they send to the BTS.
So if we break it down into simple FAA recognized N-numbers, this is what we have.
N3BFAA is the American Airlines alias for N929AN.
N3CAAA is the American Airlines alias for N946AN
N2ANAA is the American Airlines alias for N1412A.

Therefore,
AA, 09/11/2001, 0599, N871AA, DFW, 7:49 Dallas Fort Worth Int.
AA, 09/11/2001, 0771, N929AN, SJU, 6:57 Luis Munoz Marin Int. PR.
AA, 09/11/2001, 0975, N946AN, MIA, 7:34 Miami International
AA, 09/11/2001, 1217, N1412A, ORD, 6:26 O'Hare International
AA, 09/11/2001, 1361, N493AA, DFW, 6:17 Dallas Fort Worth Int.

Flight 77 is alleged to have taken place aboard a plane with the FAA registration N644AA. If we use the AA weird naming system, then this plane, N644AA is N5BPAA.
So let us trace N5BPAA.

It left Chicago bound for Los Angeles.
Departure Statistic(s): Actual Departure Time
Airport(s): ORD
Airline(s): AA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 10
Year(s): 2001
AA 09/10/2001 1149 N5BPAA LAX 9:05 (9:00AM)

It arrives safely in Los Angeles.
Arrival Statistic(s): Actual Arrival Time
Airport(s): LAX
Airline(s): AA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 10
Year(s): 2001
AA 09/10/2001 1149 N5BPAA ORD 11:28 (11:28AM)

It leaves Los Angeles for Dulles.
Departure Statistic(s): Actual Departure Time
Airport(s): LAX
Airline(s): AA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 10
Year(s): 2001
AA 09/10/2001 0144 N5BPAA IAD 12:49 (12:49PM)

It arrives safely in Dulles.
Arrival Statistic(s): Actual Arrival Time
Airport(s): IAD
Airline(s): AA
Month(s): September
Day(s): 10
Year(s): 2001
AA 09/10/2001 0144 N5BPAA LAX 20:27 (8:27PM)

It never left Dulles.
It was not even SCHEDULED to fly on September 11.
http://www.geocities.com/killtown/chart.html

So HOW did it crash into the Pentagon?
And HOW COME the FAA database
reports that plane as remaining viable until January 14, 2002?
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=644AA&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=16

(a) Each Certificate of Aircraft Registration issued by the FAA under this subpart is effective, unless suspended or revoked,
UNTIL THE DATE UPON WHICH --

(1) Subject to the Convention on the International Recognition of Rights in Aircraft when applicable, the aircraft is registered under the laws of a foreign country;
(2) The registration is canceled at the written request of the holder of the certificate;
(3) The aircraft is totally destroyed or scrapped;
http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part47-41-FAR.shtml

I am very impressed with those brown ME guys.
I can see for myself that they are more than capable
of suspending the laws of physics.
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/mslp_i.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/mslp_ii.htm
In fact, I am so impressed with them
that I think that since we cannot possibly hope to beat them,
we really ought to consider joining them
and converting to Islam.
Maybe then,
they will teach us how to make ordinary carpets fly,
and then we can stop worrying about peak oil.

[roper]

35. What exactly is the idiocy?

I don't quite get your message.

[I thought so.]

12. Not.

http://cnn.usnews.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&expire=-1&urlID=5552438&fb=Y&partnerID=2004&showBibliography=Y

[oblivious]

15. Thanks for that link. Here's an interesting sentence:

Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky, professor of forensics at New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice, believes the discovery is "extremely significant."

"This is the first confirmation that these individuals were on those planes." (Feb, 2003)

Further confirmation that the attack on Afghanistan was based on false evidence. The governments that were bullied into participating in that war need to know this. They were lied to. What legitimate government would ever be foolish enough to believe them again.

[DulceDecorum]

19. FBI LAB SCIENTIST

PLEADS GUILTY TO FALSIFYING MORE THAN 100 DNA REPORTS

DNA evidence has increasingly become crucial in prosecuting criminal cases and in appeals of old criminal convictions that occurred before the sophisticated analysis techniques were used. U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft has launched a project to create a national DNA database for law enforcement to use.
<snip>
The current FBI lab director, Dwight Adams, has said changes have been put in place in the DNA section to address past problems and ensure quality analysis is done. The FBI's DNA database has helped law-enforcement officials solve more than 11,000 cases in the last few years, officials said
http://www.cp.org/english/online/full/science/040518/g051824A.html

A more sophisticated allele collector can purchase a fully automated, desktop Nucleic Acid Synthesiser that will manufacture any STR allele molecule on demand. (A second-user DNA synthesiser currently sells for around US$10,000.) Such machines are usually installed in forensic laboratories.
When juries convict on DNA profiling evidence, British courts can impose the life sentence while US courts can impose the death penalty.
Should juries be so quick to convict when any college-level biology student, dishonest policeman or cunning perpetrator could have fabricated a suspect's DNA profile from a handful of discarded filter tips? One would hope not.
http://www.scandals.org/articles/pk020929.html

So that is why Ashcroft wants your DNA already......

Background:
The singer is the Lord High Executioner;
in a speech immediately preceding the song, he says
"If I should ever be called upon to act professionally,
I am happy to think that there will be no difficulty in finding plenty of people whose loss will be a distinct gain to society at large."

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list--I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed--who never would be missed!
-- W. S. Gilbert
-- The Mikado

[BeFree]

31. Text from the 9/11 Commission Staff report

Copied from the 9/11 Commission website. Satff Report # 17

At 8:54, American 77 began deviating from its flight plan, first with a slight turn toward
the south. Two minutes later it disappeared completely from Indianapolis radar.
The controller tracking American 77 told us he first noticed the aircraft turning to the
southwest, and then saw the data disappear. The controller looked for primary radar
returns. He searched along its projected flight path and the airspace to the southwest
where it had started to turn. No primary targets appeared. He tried the radios, first
calling the aircraft directly, then the airline. Again there was nothing. At this point, the
Indianapolis controller had no knowledge of the situation in New York. He did not know
that other aircraft had been hijacked. He believed American 77 had experienced serious
electrical and/or mechanical failure, and was gone.
Shortly after 9:00, Indianapolis Center started notifying other agencies that American 77
was missing and had possibly crashed. At 9:08, Indianapolis Center contacted Air Force
Search and Rescue at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, and told them to look out for a
downed aircraft. They also contacted the West Virginia State Police, and asked whether
they had any reports of a downed aircraft. At 9:09, they reported the loss of contact to
the FAA regional center, which passed this information to FAA headquarters at 9:24.
By 9:20, Indianapolis Center learned that there were other hijacked aircraft in the system,
and began to doubt their initial assumption that American 77 had crashed. A discussion
of this concern between the manager at Indianapolis and the Command Center in
Herndon prompted the Command Center to notify some FAA field facilities that
American 77 was lost. By 9:21, the Command Center, some FAA field facilities, and
American Airlines had started to search for American 77. They feared it had been
hijacked. At 9:25, the Command Center advised FAA headquarters that American 77
was lost in Indianapolis Center?s airspace, that Indianapolis Center had no primary radar
track, and was looking for the aircraft.
The failure to find a primary radar return for American 77 led us to investigate this issue
further. Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment
tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56. But for eight
minutes and thirteen seconds, between 8:56 and 9:05, this primary radar information on
American 77 was not displayed to controllers at Indianapolis Center. The reasons are
technical, arising from the way the software processed radar information, as well as from
poor primary radar coverage where American 77 was flying.
According to the radar reconstruction, American 77 re-emerged as a primary target on
Indianapolis Center radar scopes at 9:05, east of its last known position. The target
remained in Indianapolis Center?s airspace for another six minutes, then crossed into the
western portion of Washington Center?s airspace at 9:10. As Indianapolis Center
continued searching for the aircraft, two managers and the controller responsible for
American 77 looked to the west and southwest along the flight?s projected path, not
east?where the aircraft was now heading. The managers did not instruct other
controllers at Indianapolis Center to turn on their primary radar coverage to join in the
search for American 77.


In sum, Indianapolis Center never saw Flight 77 turn around. By the time it reappeared
in primary radar coverage, controllers had either stopped looking for the aircraft because
they thought it had crashed or were looking toward the west. In addition, while the
Command Center learned Flight 77 was missing, neither it nor FAA headquarters issued
an ?all points bulletin? to surrounding centers to search for primary radar targets.
American 77 traveled undetected for 36 minutes on a course heading due east for
Washington, DC.
By 9:25, FAA?s Herndon Command Center and FAA headquarters knew the following.
They knew two aircraft had crashed into the World Trade Center. They knew American
77 was lost. They knew that a hijacker on board American 11 had said ?we have some
planes,? and concerns over the safety of other aircraft began to mount. A manager at the
Herndon Command Center asked FAA headquarters if they wanted to order a
?nationwide ground stop.? While executives at FAA headquarters discussed it, the
Command Center went ahead and ordered one anyway at 9:25.
The Command Center kept looking for American 77. At 9:21, it advised the Dulles
terminal control facility, which urged its controllers to look for primary targets. At 9:32,
they found one. Several of the Dulles controllers ?observed a primary radar target
tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed? and notified Reagan Airport. FAA personnel
at both Reagan and Dulles airports notified the Secret Service. The identity or aircraft
type was unknown.
(End of copy... more on 9/11 Commission website)


Like I said: a UFO.
Befree

[roper]

36. Befree, I think the report was designed to kill

the remaining "conspiracy theories".

It seems to me you did not get this message! ;)

[BeFree]

41. What? A conspiracy?

No!?
Are you saying they'd be covering up something? Heavens, don't ya know we have been given all the facts? Why there's nothing left to discover, (according to some people here...) and it happened just the way they say it did. <sarcasm>

Thing is: Their story is, they did NOTHING. I don't believe it. They did something, and they are trying to hide it.