Where was the U.S. military on 9/11; who was in charge; and

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why did they fail so miserably? I don't care how you slice it, there simply is no excuse for the epic fail of our military on that fateful day.

[Mist]

1. I assume stand down orders. It's not an excuse, but it's a reason. nt

[seemslikeadream]

2. Wasn't it 75 minutes they had?

Where were they?

[Bolo Boffin]

3. First you ask questions, then you state that there's no answer you will accept.

Can't reason with that.

I recommend Touching History by Lynn Sweeney if you really do want answers to your questions.

[tetedur]

4. Touching History didn't answer my questions.

I wasn't impressed with under 4 pages of widely spaced footnotes either. Those footnotes tell you the author basically used the 9/11 Commission book, watched videos and exchanged emails with a few people. After reading this self-contradictory book all of my questions remain and I have a few more.

However, the book was fully endorsed by General Richard B. Myers Chairman JCS, Ralph E. Eberhart, General USAF (ret.) Former Commander, NORAD and Aerospace Defense Command, and forwarded by Gen. Larry Arnold who later admitted he was wrong in his testimony to the Commission.

Here's an oped in the New York Times by 9/11 Commission staff members,JOHN FARMER, JOHN AZZARELLO and MILES KARA, who say the book told stories that were not true.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14farmer.html?pagewanted=print

They say it better than I can.

[Bolo Boffin]

5. Because you have only one correct answer for your questions.

You point out that the Hutchison story is untrue. You even cite the New York Times editorial showing that Hutchison's story could not be true, because Hutchison had not even taken off before 93 crashed.

But that doesn't tell you that there was no way anyone could have stopped those planes. That tells you that it's all lies and you can feel free to believe what you wanted, that the military allowed these attacks to happen knowingly.

That's not a commitment to truth. And Sweeney's book is more than this one story.

[tetedur]

22. Don't tell me what I believe.

First of all, who is "Sweeney" and to what book are you now referring?

Whose fault is it that some feel they don't trust the official narrative? Could it be that the government who told us three different stories and had to admit they were wrong because they didn't have their story straight? Don't the American people deserve the straight story?

Touching History was surprisingly lacking in the end note/footnote area. The oped from NYT says the story in the book about the pilot was embellished. THEY complain that telling these embellished stories feed the distrust.

In America, you can believe whatever you want but you'll never "know" the truth because there will never be a full investigation.

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7. No. You're not using your brain correctly. I asked questions for which

I invite readers' own answers and opinions.

I then stated my feeling that, for me, there is no excuse for the epic fail of the military that day.

What reasonable answer can you give me when I ask "Where was the military that day?". What reasonable answer can you give me when I ask "Who was in charge that day?". What reasonable answer can you give me when I ask "Why did they fail so miserably?". Can you reason with that?

[Bolo Boffin]

8. ...you then said no answer would satisfy you but "no excuse." I can read.

What reasonable answer can you give me when I ask "Where was the military that day?". What reasonable answer can you give me when I ask "Who was in charge that day?". What reasonable answer can you give me when I ask "Why did they fail so miserably?". Can you reason with that?

How much have you looked into where they were? A lot of information is available. What have you examined about this other that waving your hands to the sky saying, "Where were they?" Do you know what resources were available? Do you know how they were deployed? Do you know who knew what when? Have you done the remotest research into this at all?

I gave you the name of a book. It has some flaws, but it is one of the best pictures out there of the military response that day. Other raw materials are available, like the NORAD tapes. You can know where they were. You can find out who was in charge.You can see why they were moving heaven and earth to do something and still had no chance of stopping this.

That is, if you really want to be reasonable about this.

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9. Please, either answer the questions or move along. Thank you. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

10. I did. You don't want to read the book and find the answers you seek.

Because you already have the only answer you'll accept. You're not seeking answers.

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20. Please answer the questions in the OP. Thank you. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

24. I have provided you the place to find most of your answers.

That's all that someone interested in finding the truth should require.

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25. I want YOU to give me your answer to the question. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

28. I've given you all the answer that you require. n/t

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29. No you haven't. You've done everything you can to deflect

my question. You either can't answer or you won't answer.

[Bolo Boffin]

34. You asked a question. I gave you the location of your answer. You say I'm deflecting.

I point you to the answer. You say I'm obfuscating. I point you to the answer. You have a few posts deleted for insulting me. I point you to the answer. You say I'm not answering your question. I point you to the answer.

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35. You gave me the location of Lynn Sweeney's (whoever that is)

answer to my questions, not your answer to my questions.

Don't bother responding. It's obvious you have no intention of directly answering my questions in your own words.

Thanks for playing, though.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. they was a commander in chief called george

stand down

[greyl]

12. The hijacked flights were commercial, not military.

Would you have immediately recommended shooting down every plane known to be hijacked that day? Would you have waited till after the first plane hit the towers?

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13. You must be confused. You don't seem to have answered my OP. n/t

[greyl]

14. Not anymore.

It's very clear that you aren't interested in thinking about or discussing the topic.
www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html

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15. No, what's clear is that you don't have any answers. n/t

[greyl]

16. It's clear your "question" isn't really an honest question.

You don't care to think more broadly than your current pov, so whatever. Are you going to do anything meaningful about it?
Read the link I provided.

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21. Please answer the questions in the OP. Thank you. n/t

[greyl]

26. Click the link I provided and read it for comprehension. nt

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27. Answer the questions I asked in my OP. n/t

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32. Answer the questions I asked in my OP. n/t

[greyl]

33. Support the assertions made in your OP. nt

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36. Again, in your own words, where was the U.S. military on 9/11? n/t

[greyl]

37. You need to realize how ridiculously vague that question is.

You also need to support the assertions made in your OP.
It will take some time, but since you're so concerned about the issue, I'm sure you can sacrifice it.

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38. Why did the U.S. military fail to respond on September 11, 2001? n/t

[greyl]

39. They did respond. nt

[SDuderstadt]

40. It's beyond silly to claim the US Military...

"failed to respond" on 9/11. If you want to solve this self-imposed "riddle" try researching the following:

Prior to 9/11, were ADIZ's directed inward or outward? Why?

What was NORAD's mission prior to 9/11?

Do you honestly think the US military routinely shoots down commercial airliners over populated areas?

What do you think they should have done on 9/11?

To say that they failed to respond, as I pointed out earlier, is patently absurd. The question is the degree to which they effectively responded (which they had difficulty doing) and what they've done since then to improve. Your OP is one of your typical poorly thought out questions, compounded by your inability to engage in critical thinking.

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41. How ironic. It is you and your cohorts that possess an

"inability to engage in critical thinking". It is your positions that, together with your cohorts, amounts to what can only be obviously described as a disinformation campaign. And, since there are more than a few of you engaged in this ongoing dis-info campaign, it is YOU that are perpetrating a conspiracy. It is your "official story" conspiracy theory that you are attempting to propogate. It is you with an "inability to engage in critical thinking".

[SDuderstadt]

42. Here we go again....

Do you even know what an ADIZ is? Do you even know what NORAD's mission was prior to 9/11 and how it has changed since then? Have you even bothered to answer your own questions or have you just concluded that it must have been an "inside job"? For the record, I despise the Bush administration and January 20th can't come too soon for me. But critical thinking demands that one consider things on the facts, not emotion.

If you're just automatically going to label anything and everything that doesn't agree with your conspiratorial worldview as "disinformation", no wonder you don't learn anything. I would challenge you to show how anything I said or any question I asked is somehow "disinformation".

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43. Yep. Here we go again.

Yawn...

[SDuderstadt]

45. I see you can't remotely answer the questions I asked....

that is the source of why you're so confused by this issue. It's a monumental red herring.

[LARED]

17. If you have not figured it out by now

you never will.

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18. You're not thinking straight. You seem to have failed at answering

the question(s).

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23. It's very funny how this post has gotten nothing but the run-around. Does

anyone have an answer to the OP, rather than relentless obfuscation, distortion, and deflecting?

Thank you.

[Raskolnik]

44. These aren't difficult questions.

Where was the U.S. military on 9/11

The "U.S. military" was stationed in its normal bases across the nation and around the world.

who was in charge

The President, George W. Bush, was Commander in Chief of the armed forces at the time.

why did they fail so miserably?

If by "they" you mean the U.S. military, the answer is that they were unprepared to deal with the use of hijacked commercial jets being used as missiles, and did not have time to sufficiently react to the situation before it was over.

If by "they" you mean the Commander in Chief, the answer is that he is an incompetent fool that fails at everything to which he puts his feeble mind.

Now what was your point in asking these questions?

[LARED]

46. Please be aware that those rational answers

will never suffice for the 9/11 truther.

[Raskolnik]

47. Oh, I'm aware...I just didn't want T.E. to think that s/he had come up with some

profound questions that only s/he was thoughtful enough to consider.

[greyl]

48. The approach you took was a good addition to the thread.

How successful it is, is harder to say. ;)

[Liberal_Dog]

49. Operation Bojinka

If by "they" you mean the U.S. military, the answer is that they were unprepared to deal with the use of hijacked commercial jets being used as missiles, and did not have time to sufficiently react to the situation before it was over.

Unprepared? Yeah, sure.

One part of Operation Bojinka was the crashing of a hijacked airliner into CIA Headquarters at Langley, Virginia.

So, for more than five years, the military was aware of terrorist plans to use hijacked airliners as missles. There was simply no excuse for being unprepared on Sept. 11th, 2001.

Of course, I know that my rational answer will never suffice for the OCT defender.

[Raskolnik]

50. There is a world of difference between being "aware" of something and "prepared" for something.

There was simply no excuse for being unprepared on Sept. 11th, 2001.

Your post implies that there was a course of action that the U.S. military could have taken on the morning of September 11th that would have changed the ultimate outcome. I'm not at all sure that is true.

Unless you are prepared to shoot down commercial airliners over populated areas, I'm not certain what action you would have had the armed forces take.

There are certainly valid criticisms the armed forces' reaction and subsequent confusion on September 11th that can and have been made, but the fact remains that the U.S. millitary is not an omnipotent force that can react and project its will instantaneously in every circumstance.

[Liberal_Dog]

52. You Have To Be Some Kind Of Omnipotent Force...

to defend your own air space???

[Raskolnik]

53. Yes, you would have to be omnipotent to defend against every threat with only minutes notice.

I know its comforting to think that there is a human force that we can employ to guard against every threat, but that's not how the world works.

But since you obviously think the the U.S. military should have been able to do something to nullify the threat presented by the hijacked airliners on September 11th, perhaps you could share what action you think they should, or could, have taken?

[BunnyBluetimes]

51. There is no excuse for the epic falling of the WTCs either

the American public is forced to investigate 9/11 through broadband and live footage from suspect news organizations. Already 7 years have passed without a thorough investigation into the Presidents actions. Where are the military reports from 9/11?