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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 07:11 PM
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Simple question for...
Edited on Sun Sep-26-10 07:23 PM by SDuderstadt
everyone who subscribes to the "controlled demolition" theory:

Look at a video of WTC 1 & 2 prior to the collapse. Can you explain the buckling and the inward bowing of the columns?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:32 PM
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1. kick nt
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:19 PM
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2. I don"t believe the answer is so simple
for 1: the heat probably had an impact on the buckling effect, it also could be that the core below the impact zone was damaged quite heavily. How the damage to the core,lobby, and basement occurred is controversial.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:33 PM
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3. Only to you and others who are...
amateurs in physics and structural engineering, dude.
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:38 PM
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4. Uh
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 07:39 PM by deconstruct911
it's more an issue of fire damage.

edit* and what the effects of a fireball can do.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:21 PM
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5. Where did the collapse initiate....
dude?
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 04:55 AM
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11. You a professional in physics and structural engineering?
I'm really asking because your response would indicate so.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:49 AM
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12. Really?
How do you get that? Your reading comprehension sucks, dude.o
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:42 PM
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6. Why is damage to the
core controversial?

And the lobby, or basement controversial?

Steel is an excellent material to transfer energy. Consider what happens if you hold a 20 foot long steel pipe tightly in your hands and I hit the far end away from you with a 16 pound sledge hammer, how does it feel? It will rattle your teeth.

So when a commercial airliner hits the steel core at around 500 miles per hour or around 700 feet per second, it's going to be felt all the way to the foundations in bedrock and do some damage along the way. One reason why the impacts were sensed by seismographs.

So please illuminate why this is controversial. Your personal incredulity does not count.

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terrafirma Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:03 PM
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7. Impossible...
We all know metal is impervious to heat.
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:26 AM
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8. I'm referring to the core being "blown out" nt
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 03:34 AM
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9. When, specifically, was the core...
"blown out"?
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 01:50 PM
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13. As I said
that is POSSIBLY why the walls sag inward. I'm not an expert. You asked for us to elaborate on it and that's one thing I thought was worthy of mention.


http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x225436#225503

Clearly the damage was great enough to trap the victims on the 86th floor.

What do you think the impact could be on the outer walls when the inner core (responsible for over half of the buildings strength) is heavily damaged?

Maybe it has an impact, maybe not. I only wanted to put it out there.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 01:53 PM
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14. If the core was "blown out"....
how would the building still be standing????
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 02:00 PM
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15. well how come he died?
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 02:02 PM by deconstruct911
the building is not still standing.

All of his exists were in the core. How come all FDNY members in the north tower were all ordered to the lobby before either tower collapsed? Were they having difficulties with access in the core?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 02:07 PM
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16. Dude....
this is getting fucking silly. WHEN specifically are you claiming the core was "blown out"? I think Lared has already addressed your stupid questions.
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 02:19 PM
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17. Next time you make a stupid thread
don"t expect anyone to answer your questions. I was the only one who tried & I don't like the negative and rude response I get from you and it's obvious no one else does either.

When no one answers you don't believe it's because they don't have a response or answer, but rather they don't need to put up with your negative feed back.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 02:27 PM
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18. Why would you expect positive feedback to...
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 02:28 PM by SDuderstadt
stupid answers?

The problem, again, is that the buckling and inboward bowing of columns is evidence that NIST was correct and stupid "controlled demolition" theories are bown out of the water.

Maybe you guys should rally some of your "experts".
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 03:34 AM
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Self-delete...n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 03:36 AM by SDuderstadt
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 03:34 AM
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10. Self-delete...n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 03:36 AM by SDuderstadt
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