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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:55 PM
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WTC 911 attack planned in 1976?
Edited on Thu May-05-05 04:57 PM by Independent_Liberal
I just found this recently. I think you guys should be interested.

Source: www.suetheterrorists.net

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The Perfect Terrorist Plan To Level The Twin Towers Created In 1976
American Free Press | March 20, 2005
By Greg Szymanski
Our own U.S. Army devised a plan commissioned by Congress to bring down the WTC using commercial airliners and box cutters as weapons.

The laundry list of terrorist warnings handed to the Bush administration prior to 9/11 makes the President and others look like “bumbling idiots or a bunch of conniving criminals” responsible for the mass murders at the Twin Towers and in Afghanistan and Iraq.

These are the harsh words of Timothy McNiven, an outspoken critic of the President’s handling of 9/11 and a 29-year U.S. Defense Department operative still under contract with the government.

He says not only did the Bush administration purposely ignore Al Q’aida in the months preceding the WTC attacks, but the situation is even more disturbing, considering his military unit way back in 1976 devised a mock terrorist attack of the Twin Towers exactly like what occurred on 9/11.

McNiven, who first went public in an affidavit included in a 9/11-related federal conspiracy (RICO) lawsuit filed against Bush and others in 2004, claims his unit was ordered to create the “perfect terrorist plan” using commercial airliners as weapons and the Twin Towers as their target.

The publicized version of the study, commissioned by Congress, was to identify security lapses and submit corrective measures to lawmakers. However, McNiven claims the real purpose of the study was to brainstorm how to pull off the perfect terrorist attack using the exact same 9/11 scenario.

The study, commissioned to C-Battery 2/81st Field Artillery, U.S. Army, stationed in Strassburg, Germany in 1976, specifically devised the scenario of the Twin Towers being leveled by Middle Eastern terrorists using commercial airliners and even plastic box cutters to bypass security.

To silence critics, McNiven has successfully passed a credible lie detector test regarding his participation in the study as well as other specific orders given to him by his superiors in case of a real attack on the Twin Towers.

The head of the 1976 mock terrorist plan was Lt. Michael Teague of Long Island, who McNiven says was given specific orders by higher-ups in the military to use the Twin Towers as the terrorist target.

McNiven said he has been unable to contact Lt. Teague, but was interested in his opinion now that “the 9/11 attacks happened the way we planned them in 1976.”

“I remember Lt. Teague changed the scenario of the supposed study from a 100 story building to the Twin Towers,” recalled McNiven, emphasizing that Lt. Teague was acting on specific orders from unknown superiors.

“He then said he thought it was very strange to be asked to devise a plan to blow up your own home town. But as I watched the Twin Towers really collapse on the morning of September 11th, I realized I was watching the very same thing we devised in the 1976.”

Since that ominous realization, McNiven has devoted his entire life to alerting the American public about the similarities between 9/11 and the 1976 study without much success, his story basically being ignored by politicians and the mainstream media.

“Why am I doing this? Why have I spent every waking hour trying to bring this story to the American people?” asked McNiven, claiming he still is following a strange direct military order given to him more than 25 years ago.

“During the course of the terrorist plan we were devising, I made the statement to Lt. Teague that if the WTC was ever attacked like we planned, I’d go public. I was then physically assaulted and told never to reveal anything we were doing regarding the Twin Towers.”

However, about a week later a strange turn of events occurred. For no apparent reason, McNiven claims his superiors completely changed their minds.

“I was given the direct order that if the Twin Towers were ever attacked the way we discussed in the 1976 study, I was to do everything in my power to bring the similarities to the attention of the American people.

“I have no idea why they changed their minds, but I was then emphatically told that this order was never to be rescinded – never – because those who would rescind it, would be the very same people who turned against the American people.”

Besides taking a lie detector to verify his story, McNiven has made public a detailed list of about 40 names of those individuals who took part in the mock terrorist plan, including Col. Robert Morrison, Maj. Joe Dipiero, Sgt. Middleton, Sgt. Arroyo and many others.

“There were also people from the Defense Department and the CIA who were monitoring the study, but I wasn’t able to get their names,” he added.

Some of McNiven’s most recent assignments with the Defense Department include work on the Northwest Drug Task Force and various other drug smuggling and weapons trafficking cases.

Timothy McNIven's website: http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/index.php?n=1&id=1

COMMENTS:

"U.S. oil peaked in the 1970’s. The Twin Towers were built in the 1970’s. Global oil is alleged to be peaking now. The Twin Towers were nicknamed “David” and “Nelson” after David and Nelson Rockefeller, whose family, along with the Rothschilds created the global oil industry and have both been major proponents of global government and population control.

My theory is that the oil giants planned for the creation of the GWOT (Global War On Terror) since the 1970s. This article may be further evidence." - Abel Ashes Hull Simmons

"If completely confirmed 100% then this is THE smoking gun, over and above Northwoods, the NORAD stand down, the explosives in the buildings, any other piece of 9/11 evidence. It’s going to be interesting to see how they pass this one off as a ‘coincidence’ – we need to get this on newswires immediately. This is the straw that could break the camel’s back." - INFOWARS.COM

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:26 PM
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1. More crap from AFP
AFP is a Willis Carto publication. DU does not allow articles from this site. Who is Willis Carto, you ask?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-31,GGLD:en&q=Willis+Carto

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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:52 PM
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2. I'd like to see confirmation from
another person that was involved. He names several of them:

"C-Battery 2 / 81st FA, US Army
Idar-Oberstein, W. Germany 1975-76

Col. Robert Morrison, Maj. Joe Dipiero, Lt. Michael Teague, Sgt Maj. McKay, Sgt Middleton, Sgt Arroyo, Sgt Murray, Sgt Edwards, Sgt Broder, Sgt Steadman, Sgt Wolford, Sgt Jackson, Sgt Riggs, Sgt Garza, Sgt Meralas, Sgt Taraza, Sgt Spears, 1st Sgt Ray, Sgt Terry Henderson, Sgt Barber, Cpl Picket, Cpl Wisner, Richard Seanz, Berni Domoski, George Cinch, Harry Waldren, Tom Kimber, Rick Lyons, Michael Hubbert, Dan Henderson, Martian Seals, Jake Asuit, Bruce Levine, Thomas Gumbs, Rick Bruns, Dennis Montoya, Phlash Richardson, Fetch, Bob Bender, Johnson, Drew Cousins, Terry Cook are some other participants.

Civilians I told of this Study in the 1970's, 80's, 90's.

Dana and Karen Thomas, Don and Judy Anderson, Mike and Doug Swanson, Pete Summerness, Jay Johovich, Jeff Eddy, Bert Eddy, Brian Eddy, Gene Humphries, Candy Parker, Jay Hayes, David Haravel, Suzi Ray-McNiven, Charles A. Plunkett, Janice Hatton, Richard Guthrie, Frankie Guthrie, Buddy Clinger, David Hunter, Rick Bear, Dennis Vilhauer, David Parker, are some of the people from the Everett, Wa area.

Carl Colletti, Sandy Colletti, Tommie Colletti, Rick Hanson and Laura Colleti - Hanson, Van Hanson, Bobbi Web, Ray Jarmillo, Toby Jarmillo are from the Albuqurque, NM area."

He does say:

"If you know any of these People or of their whereabouts Please contact them or contact the web sites email. Thank you."
http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/index.php?n=9&id=9

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If one more would come forward, it would certainly make me very interested in this. As long as it's just one person, I'm sceptical.

The fact that Infowars, Rense and American Free Press are the only ones who seeem interested (well, plus Black Ops Radio) makes me suspicious.

Also, why on Earth hasn't he been fired like every other whistleblower? This is what he writes about his job:

"I have 29 plus years in Service to the US Defense Department and am an active operative in accordance with the contract the US Government has with me.

Some of my current work includes working with the Northwest Drug Task Force in 1995-96 on the Rob Sayce, Anika Oyen, Barb Oyen Drug Smuggling, Teenage / Preteen Prostitution, Weapons Trafficking Case.

Providing information about the whereabouts of the Kehoe brothers less than 2 1/2 weeks before their surrender and locating Ira Einhorn in France."
http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/index.php?n=13&id=13

Strange. But it would make sense, sort of; some of the Ford admin. people are back in charge (Rumsfeld, Cheney).



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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:05 PM
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3. dubious
The 8-page deposition by McNivens, dated Nov 10, 2003, is available at his site in the form of a scanned PDF file (no text search possible):

http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/docs/affidavit.pdf

It's a curious document.

I'm interested to see if any of the other participants he mentions will come forward.

His story of being given orders to expose this story if a 9/11-style event ever happens disturbs my olfactory sense. As does the Capitalization of Every Other Word and the Curious Incompleteness of the Narrative.

But one question really sticks out: If the exercise was held in 1976, how is it that Clinton was brought up then as a possible future president?!

McNiven recalls being asked to come up with a suitable political situation for the attack. The answer given is "hamstringing": the outgoing presidential party has set up the new president of the incoming party with a booby trap (the attack). Who might play such a role as president, they are asked...

McNivens relates doing an impersonation of Bill Clinton shaking President Kennedy's hand as a boy, "like in that picture that ran in the newspapers..."

Did any such pic run in the papers in the mid-70s? Why should it be memorable to McNivens? Is McNivens recalling the pic from the early 60's? Why is he coming up with Clinton in the 70's, when Clinton was no one, not yet even governor? Is this some bizarre mental mix-up? Is McNivens confused, or mind-controlled?

Are we meant to think that Clinton had already been designated for the presidency at that early date? If so, how would innocent young McNivens have guessed that?

Miming the handshake would not be anything his other participants would recognize as a trademark gesture that would make them think of Clinton in 1976...

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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 05:09 AM
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4. LOL...
That "deposition" is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time!

If you can get by the typos ("sited" vice "cited"), the poor grammer and the simply hilarious comments ("You will never be locked out of your plane if the pilot forgets his key at home"), it is pretty riveting stuff. :D

<sarcasm mode off>
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