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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:10 PM
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New Evidence Halts 9/11 Verdict (German reader help needed!)
Y'all may have seen this story in the Latest Breaking News:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3417809.stm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1029436.htm

Looks like an Iranian intelligence agent is stepping forward to say he warned Bush about 9/11 before it happened, for about the zillionth piece of evidence that the US was warned.

Very, very few details in these two news reports though. I was wondering for anyone who reads German, is there more info in the German press today?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:06 PM
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1. Kick.....Iranian intelligence? Wow.
What did George know and when did he know it?
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:06 AM
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5. warned about what?

Yes.

We have already seen dozens of stories about prior warnings.

Which if any of the warnings supplied the place and the date?

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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 02:26 AM
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2. It was front page in Germany
Here's Yahoo Deutschland, w/ my translation:

http://de.news.yahoo.com/040121/286/3uko8.html

Sentencing in Mzoudi Trial Postponed

Hamburg (AFP)A day before the planned sentencing in the second Hamburg Terror Trial, the prosecution has surprisingly asked for one new witness. As the Hanseatic Appeals Court decided, the unnamed witness can offer additional charges against the Moroccan defendant. Therefore, the criminal division will not engage in sentencing on Thursday, but will rather go once again into the hearing of evidence. According to defense and prosecution sources, the witness claims to be a foreign spy for the Iranian intelligence service.

The prosecution had asked the appeals court for a 30 day stay in the trial. According to statements of the court, the public defense attorneys will have an opportunity to test the statements and credibility of the witness. The court has guaranteed the man’s confidentiality. The judge will now hear initially from a prosecutor and two police officers who questioned the man. The court has not decided whether the action will be interrupted.

According to prosecutor Ulrich von Jeinsen, the witness asserts that Mzoudi was responsible for logistics of the September 11 attack in the Hamburg group of suicide pilot Mohammad Atta. This according to the prosecution’s transcripts. The man would be the first witness to directly accuse the defendant of involvement in planning the attacks. Von Jeisen labeled these accusations “sensational.” “The deck will be completely reshuffled,” he predicted.

Mzoudi’s defense attorney Michael Rosenthal called the witness’s statements “extremely bizarre.” The man’s statements in the transcript produced by prosecutors are “outlandish to the point of being comical,” he said.

Mzoudi has been on trial since August, accused of membership in the Hamburg terror cell and aiding in the death of more than 3000 people in the September 11 attacks. The prosecutor has demanded the maximum penalty of 15 years. The defense has demanded an acquittal. A new deadline for the trial will now be set for January 29.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 02:35 AM
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3. thanks
If you come up with anything else about who this mystery man is and what he has to say, please let us know.

It seems highly ironic though. Here's my theory. The defense was going to try to get their client off by claiming he couldn't have done 9/11 because the US did it to itself (they've said as much in the press). The prosecution had a star witness they didn't want to use because he could support that by claiming he warned the US in advance. But with the case heading for certain acquital, they figured what the hell, and dropped him in at the last minute.

So now ironically, the prosecution is flirting with the LIHOP concept and the defense may try to knock it to shoot the credibility of the witness since it they can do that they're home free (note the defense calling the witnesses' comments "highly bizarre").

I find that ironic. Everyone is dancing around the LIHOP idea, but it this court case it looks like the two sides just swapped positions somewhat.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 03:30 AM
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4. Bizarre
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 03:30 AM by gandalf
The whole process is really bizarre. Shortly before Christmas a transcript of the interrogations of an anonymous witness appeared, the court assumes the witness to be Binalshibh. Only hours after the court had read the transcript they set Mzoudi free.
Today the judgment should have been pronounced, and only one day before again a mysterious anonymous witness appears (but again not in person).
It seems obvious that the "input" to this trial is managed to reach certain objectives.

Iranian spy as witness? OK, the Iranians spies are known for their involvement in 9/11 and for their credibility.

On edit: I think around noon German Time we should know more.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:20 AM
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6. more info
Here's the kind of story I was looking for, to fill in some of the details about this case:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=325353
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