Is it mean that I am losing patience with the 'undecided' group?

[bliss_eternal]

I'm sorry. I don't mean to lack compassion or understanding.

Today I was at an art convention. Among the booths, there was one that offered people the opportunity to draw or paint something under the name of the candidate of their choice. I was so happy to see someone had painted under Bush-- "Bush Sucks ______(expletive)" So cool.

Anyway, two girls were walking by. One said to her gf, "Which candidate? How about neither!" And they both laughed. Please forgive me, but I just wanted to yell at her, "Make a fucking choice and get over yourself!"

Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if a commentator I saw the other night was correct when he said "there is no 'undecided group.' Just a bunch of people that want some attention."

Anyone else feel this way? Anyone just annoyed with undecided on the fence voters?

Oh and one last thing, I am seriously tired of the ones that get on the news after the debate and are whining about how the candidates didn't address their issue. Then they go on to say what the issue is, and both candidates DID discuss it--and Kerry actually addressed it! I just dont' know how to respond to that...

Feistygrrl
Ok...sorry about that. I feel better now.

[RebelYell]

1. A business associate told me he's still undecided

I told him to stay that way, he's too damn stupid to vote. Now that's mean. :)

[Wapsie B]

2. It really helps to have this administration

propped up with the help of a docile media. But I still don't understand how anyone with half a brain is undecided.

[fujiyama]

3. No

It's not mean. These people are ignorant fools.

It is possible that those you encountered were non voters. If that's the case, that's a decision - a foolish one IMO, but a decision nevertheless.

[BUSHOUT]

4. You didn't say anything to them, how is that mean? You need to tell....

them how important it is to vote for Kerry....in a nice and convincing way!

:bounce:

[WindRavenX]

5. no

They fucking piss me off.
HOW THE HELL CAN YOU NOT MAKE A CHOICE???
The difference is as clear as NIGHT AND FUCKING DAY PEOPLE!! READ THE FUCKING PAPERS OR SOMETHING!!

[gavodotcom]

12. That's a lot to ask for some people, apparently and unfortuantely.

[WindRavenX]

13. I know it is

But...it's really, really, really, the thing that sets me off is seeing these uninformed MORONS on CNN saying shit like "oh, Kerry didn't answer the question" or "he avoided it". No, no he didn't- he just was complex!

[Jade Fox]

6. They've been courted by the press so much....

no one seems to have noticed that they may be undecided due to massive
apathy or just plain ignorance.

I'm sick of them too.

[pauliedangerously]

7. Not mean, just exasperated as are all of us thinkers....

I'm glad you feel better. Sometimes you just have to blow off steam around others who understand your point of view.

This website has been a real help to me...I discovered it about six months ago or so...probably a little more. Sometimes the people on this site get on my nerves, but at least we're pretty much on the same side.

As for the ones who whine about the candidate's not addressing their issues, they probably weren't paying attention and are simply trying to save face, or they are just too stupid to think of anything intelligent to say. Face it: the American populace is getting more brain-dead every day. I've been watching it happen with horror for over two decades.

It's television. When I was a little kid in the '70s, my mother told me that tv rots your brain, and I was forbade to watch commercial tv. I never had cable growing up, although I do now, and I am glad I didn't.

TV is a technologial narcotic; it reduces peoples' attention spans, it makes them passive, and the elite are using it in an attempt to enslave us all.

That's my two cents for tonight. GODDAMN I feel a whole lot better.

[BUSHOUT]

8. And another thing......

I totally relate to this:

Oh and one last thing, I am seriously tired of the ones that get on the news after the debate and are whining about how the candidates didn't address their issue. Then they go on to say what the issue is, and both candidates DID discuss it--and Kerry actually addressed it! I just dont' know how to respond to that...

I watch CNN, and see that from Paula Zhan and Candy ALL THE TIME.

It's like...they ask the questions that have become the campaign "ball and chains", and then when the person answers the question they don't acknowledge it and simply repeat it with a qualifier of "Yes, but some people are saying....<repeat same accusation/question>"

It'sa sick.

[tjdee]

9. Some people feel that Bush is strong on war/weak at home and the opp. for

Kerry (that Kerry is strong domestically and weak on "the war").

Some are very much against abortion for religious reasons, but don't want a crappy economy. (or, insert other pet issues)
While I obviously disagree, I can respect that.


Seems to me the other undecideds are lazy.
Sorry--but after all the debates, there were people saying "I wanted to hear more about XYZ, but didn't...so I'm still undecided."

Guess what? A good way to find out more about XYZ is to gee.... VISIT the website of both candidates! Call up their local campaign office!

Do they really expect John Kerry to give the particulars of his entire health program in a 90 minute debate? These people just sit around waiting for people to hold their hand and make the light go on for them, and it IS frustrating and irritating.

[secular_warrior]

10. No - you are correct

These "undecideds" are the stereotypical lazy, blissfully ignorant, materialistic, spoiled, selfish American.

The truth is they really don't want to make a choice or be informed, and don't really care that much about anything serious in the world.

They want to watch the election like they watch TV, and want to get their information served up to the like fast food. No effort on their part.

[choicevoice]

11. If they haven't made up their mind yet......

they are living in some lala land and just need to go about their business and let us handle reality.

[KharmaTrain]

14. It's A Media Creation & Cover

The media needs a story to make this election seem contested...that there's a middle here that is gonna decide the outcome. It won't...it's going to be an overwhelming number of Democrats coming out on Nov. 2 that's gonna be the story, not the few swing voters. But it makes a good story and allows both sides to trade those much coveted broadsides claiming they're reaching to the middle in doing so. It's all a game.

Others use it for cover...to avoid telling people who they're voting for or if they're voting at all. The other day I got into a political discussion with a banker...one who I knew was a Repugnican, and he told me he was undecided. I told him I was undecided if I wanted to do this business deal with him until after the election. :evilgrin:

If there's undecideds right now it's about voting or not voting...and those will probably stay home...especially if they're thinking of voting for Bunnypants and the bad news keeps going...which it will.

The delicious irony here is the GOOP has tried real hard to supress our vote...instead it's energized it. Now they're fighting for their lives to keep their base from not showing up. :bounce:

[Thrill]

15. There is no undecided group

I don't believe there is one undecided voter. Just people who want attention. Forget them. Rally the base.

[LiberalAndProud]

16. I choose not to vote is worse.

And I quote a young nonvoter. "Neither candidate deserves to be president so I'm not voting."

I thought about a bribe. Would that have been immoral?

[Lexingtonian]

17. maybe a little...

If they go vote, and I'd guess the people you saw actually won't, they're mostly going to wait until the last weekend to get to making a decision.

In some ways they're smart: if you don't feel you have too much stake in the outcome, it's rational to let the campaign machines churn out everything they ever will and look at the end product. Often one campaign has ground down and is only spewing sh-t while the other one is being relevant and resonating with the sensibilities of the moment in time.

If it helps you any, Bob Shrum claims that in the Presidential elections since 1990 there's always been a 3% bloc that goes Undecided for the duration and then goes Democratic in the last three days. There's also that the last Undecideds- once this crypto-Democratic bloc swings away- split 2-1 against the incumbent.

Btw, Nader/3rd party candidates are running at a strongly fixed 2%.

[saracat]

18. The undecideds can just go Cheney themselves.

They are too stupid to live. I can't imagine how they know which side of the bed to get out of in the morning.As Samantha Bell on the Daily Show said"What the F-K do they want?" They should stay home. If they are this stupid, they must be Bush voters!

[bliss_eternal]

19. I saw that Daily Show! That was so damned funny!

I suppose we really can't get all hung up over what some people will or won't do. We just have to do what we can do.

I'm just so sick of the media pandering to the existence of an undecided group. It's beyond irritating. I'm so thankful that I didn't pursue an earlier desire to work in the media. That's a machine that definitely doesn't need another cog in it's works!

LOL!

Some interesting points have been brought up here and I appreciate all your responses! I do feel better having at least vented. It does help having a place where others will understand and empathize. I wish I had found you all sooner...

[sandnsea]

20. Bandwagon, cynics

That's all that's left. They'll vote whoever they think is ahead at the last minute or not vote at all. Forget them. GOTV.

[RichardRay]

21. Charlie Cook splits them up into two groups...

The ones he calls the 'knucklehead vote' who really don't pay any attention until the morning of Nov 2, and the ones who are strong single issue voters who can't chose between their party and the issue - Democrats who have deep issues with abortion or Republicans who think the was in Iraq ia a compplete disaster.

He didn't say which group he thinks makes up the bulk of the current crop.

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY

[intheflow]

22. Maybe some of the undecideds are

just answering that way b/c they don't think it's anyone's business which way they're leaning.