CNN Town Hall Meeting! 8pm Est. On Now

[TheDonkey]

Just had an intro, was blistering for Bush actually. Really attacked him on job loss.

[TheDonkey]

1. New poll released for Ohio! Kerry up

Registered voters
50 JK
44 *

Likely Voters, 48, 47 I believe Kerry leading

[Roland99]

5. Announced on CNN? Source of the poll??

[TheDonkey]

9. CNN, Gallup poll. I missed the MOE

very close. But looks good for Kerry regardless to be ahead of shrub now.

[PermanentRevolution]

13. MOE 4% (n/t)

[Roland99]

101. Gallup? WOW!

Did they finally adjust to 2000 election %s instead of 2002?

[charleston1]

109. Is that fer real?

I thought it was close. Kerry should hunt more often.

[DemocracyInaction]

6. Thank ya---that's the Gallup I've been waiting for and REMEMBER

Gallup is weighted like a ten ton brick towards republicans so this poll really says a mouthful.

[charleston1]

110. It has been all over the map

They weight it down on both sides. That is why it swings so much. Can't trust them.

[Eurobabe]

2. how could you be undecided at this point?

female: undecided, needs plan to end war, restore peace, concentrate on home, reg. Repub., not enough specifics from Bu$h. Healthcare, teaching, etc. Listening to both sides.

[TheDonkey]

3. Should not be called "undecided" just uninformed.

[Robert Oak]

28. details are lacking!

I know the plans and the specifics because I can hunt the damn Kerry
website and dig them out. But for your average Internet surfer I'll bet they can't even find them. Multiple layers and to get the real answers
they are in scattered pdfs.

But try to find one major newspaper that has reported, accurately,
the details. Very few.

Try to find those boring details in a speech, of course not, it puts
people to sleep.

The campaign needs to print out those plans and give them to people in Ohio.

I'm a researcher by trade and here's an example, H.R. 4520. Even people
very active against outsourcing did not know there were major
chances by the House ways and means to increase tax incentives to offshore jobs. Only Sen. Kennedy & Dodd brought it up and digging it
out, you literally had to read the bill itself.

[dogtag]

8. Here it comes again...they want DETAILS!

Yeah, right. You clods want details like I want warts. Details is the undecided idiot's code word for 'details is a word that makes me sound smart.'

[VolcanoJen]

18. EXACTLY!!!

See my similar post below... grrrr!!!

[Gloria]

57. "details" it would help if the damned media would do issues instead

of worrying about Teresa.......

But, I have to say--I wrote a letter to the editor today to rebut a jackass, and went to look for some info on the healthcare plan. I knew most of the points but wanted to really be sure. I go to the Kerry site and it was so vague, I wound up researching it and found a very good, specific overview at the American Academy of Family Physicians website!!!!

[Eurobabe]

4. reg Repub, male leans Libertarian

says he's to right of Bush (?) Iraq bugs him, no plan. Govt. off backs of everyone, slef-employed.

[TheDonkey]

7. Yay Wesley Clark!! He's back

ready to shine I'm sure. comming up

[Papa]

10. I know someone sitting in that audience tonight

She's a repug however. My wife had an opportunity to go but she turned it down. She hates Paula Zahn. Sitting here watching it now, I wish she did go so she could spew some shit about the republicans....and she just heard Clark was going to be on, she's bummed now...

[TheDonkey]

16. yeaI feared for the worst too. But seems pretty interesting

I'm surprised the intro was so rough on bush.
Clark is also an excellent spokesman. Should be good. They have some no name thug hack on the other side.

[Scoopie]

44. This is a better debate

than the presidential and VP.
No name-calling.
Issue-oriented.
Smart men.
(BTW, Bernie Kerick is NOT a "no-name" hack. He was the NYPD Commissioner during 9/11 - I don't agree with his politics, but he's not a hack.)

[Eurobabe]

11. Wes Clark is Dem representative! WOOHOO!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. We Send A Five Star General... They Send A Cop

nt

[VolcanoJen]

What is with these undecided voters, and their desire to be pampered?

The woman who just spoke up, saying "All you hear about are plans, but no details. I want to know exactly how each candidate is going to, for example, pay for things."

What in the hell...? I'm so tired of hearing this lame excuse for being undecided. What do they expect... the candidates to spend hours and hours of wonking America to death with the details? The details are widely available online, and both Bush and Kerry have issued books that explain their plans in great detail.

This spoonfeeding thing has got to end. And, might I also add, why do most of the "undecided" voters always seem to be leaning for Bush?

[TheDonkey]

20. Because they are lazy and uninformed

probably feel that bush is "ok" and will just go to him.

It is very sad to see them up there bitch and moan about details... then given the details they'll bitch about being bored and overwhelmed with too many numbers.

[tridim]

22. Everyone knows how Bush "pays for things"

He doesn't. If the undecideds are going to ignore the last 4 years and Bush's giant debt, they're just stupid. I don't think they are listening at all.

[Darth_Kitten]

116. They do seem lazy and whiny don't they?

:evilgrin: I have ZERO patience for them. I have no tolerance for people who need to be spoon fed throughout life. :mad:

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[DemocracyInaction]

19. It's called "lazy". And, I like to have the camera on me

And I watched this shit in 2000 and every one of them who were being followed on TV in the end went Bush.

[Robert Oak]

15. damn straight and the more Kerry talks and back ups

details to support and protect the american worker, the more
Ohio is gonna kick Bush out of the White house...

that and a promise to not mismanage Iraq.

[dogtag]

17. This should be good. Kerk is an idiot who is making

a fortune with his pal Rudy on the best thing that ever happened to them. 9/11.

[AlCzervik]

21. Kerik is scum and has always been scum

the stuff the happened when he was police commish is shameful and i'm sure he speard that behavior around when he was in Iraq.

[dogtag]

23. Wait until we get to a 9/11 question....the scum will be

in his element. He and Rudy singlehandedly saved New York, you know.

[VolcanoJen]

26. I don't trust men who claim their greatest accomplishment...

... was their performance on a day that 3,000 innocents were murdered.

[dogtag]

34. That would, of course, include Shrub.

[VolcanoJen]

24. I'm not diggin' the General's new haircut.

Just sayin'.

[AlCzervik]

31. Next to Kerik's splotchyness Clark's haircut looks good.

Plus Kerik is sweating...yuck.

[VolcanoJen]

50. Next to Kerik, even Karen Hughes would appear attractive.

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[AlCzervik]

55. LOL! Maybe after drinking some of monkey boys private stock of Jack D.

[Andromeda]

64. Now THAT'S a stretch...

If Quasimoto was sitting next to Karen Hughes with a bag over his head, Quasi would still be better looking.

[Roland99]

102. Hey...Karen Hughes is a BABE!

Oh wait....



Sorry....



I was in bizarro world for a moment.

[charleston1]

112. A little critical

Hey he's retired and entitled to look how he wants.

[TheDonkey]

25. Clark talking about the draft

this is his stuff. Saying how the tours are extended and being activated against their will.

Slamming him for lack of crediblity!!
Zahn is getting nervous, trying to cut him off.

[Cha]

33. What did she think Clark

was going to say when she had him on?

He's a Dem..Dems speak up with the truth when they have a chance!

[TheDonkey]

27. holy shit. Zahn just slapped down the cop

He tried to envoke 9/11 got teary eyed and Zahn said "what does that have to deal with Iraq"

The guy was shaken.

[charleston1]

113. Zahn is so witty

She really cuts to the chase.

[dogtag]

29. Good for Paula - cut off Kerik.

She knows he's going to go to his only claim to fame - 9/11. Every chance he gets.

[VolcanoJen]

30. Kerik claims a Saddam/9-11 link???

WTF??? When are they going to give that a rest?

Nice smackdown, Paula, and especially Gen. Clark!!

[henslee]

39. I can set my watch to that Clark fella, he's so steady...

And I like that black woman in the crowd shaking her head in disgust.

[VolcanoJen]

43. Yes! Clark is definitely reaching that woman!

She nodded her head in agreement to every word from the General's mouth. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[jefferson_dem]

32. Specific question about war in Iraq and chimp's flunkie launches into how

he lost friends on 9/11. What the fuck. Zahn (looking pretty good) nailed him on the non-answer. Now Clark's nailing the "distraction in iraq."

[TheDonkey]

38. that was such a shameless stunt!! I was in shock

Glad Paula slapped him down.

It's terrible how they use such a tragedy to explain ALL their failures.

[charleston1]

114. Standard response

[Guava Jelly]

35. Clark is kicken @$$

Thats one smart HOMBRE

[AlCzervik]

37. My Brother in law went to war college with Clark

said he was hands down..."the smartest guy in the room."

[marlakay]

36. Wes Clark is doing great!!

I loved his answer on the war to the teen, the other guy just said the same old answer.

[DancingBear]

40. I'm breaking my "no cable news" vow to watch this!

Two questions in and already Wes is taking Kerik apart.

Audience nodding knowingly at Wes' reasoned answers, Kerik reciting the party line. I'm guessing Kerry will pick up lots of converts tonight.

Look out Ohio - we're comin' and we're bringin' blue paint.

[southern democrat]

41. Clark is a hoss

[southern democrat]

42. Clark is a hoss

[TheDonkey]

45. bush goon: I don't acknowledge a problem in the system

this guy is going to be fired tonight. shameless.

"I think our HS is enough for today" The woman is yelling at this idiot.

[The empressof all]

46. Why do people state that Bush has a clear plan.

I've never seen a detailed plan for removing troops from Iraq, or for healthcare.

Why are these people who say such a thing called on this

Oh sorry forgot I was watching American media.

[AlCzervik]

47. Keriks response to the homeland security funding problem was very weak

and he didn't seem to understand the protocol. Clark on the hand answered that woman's question exactly and he understood what her question was, unlike Kerik.

[TheDonkey]

48. * goon: "The soliders have what they need. Everything is great"

this guy is truly in a land of spin.

Zahn actually being fair!?

[VolcanoJen]

53. "The soldiers are fine! Nobody's getting injured. Now, the 87 billion..."

GOON, GOON, GOON.

[AlCzervik]

54. After seeing some of this tonight coupled with the debates

i know fully understand the way team smirk works. No actual debates or answering actual questions, just say strong leader and 9/11 over and over agin. It's like the way they teach very young children...repetition.

[RafterMan]

49. The $87 billion

Clark always nails this one.

Crystal clear.

[TheDonkey]

52. he was very clear and intellegent about it

only an idiot would not be able to understand.

This $87billion attack is official weak.

[charleston1]

108. Yep

He made his point very well.

[timber84]

51. Why?

is he not the running mate?

[Scoopie]

95. I have no earthly idea

I know many disgusted Republicans who would vote for Kerry if the General was on the ticket.

[Tom Rinaldo]

96. Me too n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

104. I ask myself that every day. n/t

[marlakay]

56. People must have complained about not real answers

for their questions. I see Paula tonight breaking in when it goes that way. Usually both sides do it but Wes is answering directly and not in the usual political way of side stepping issues that are hard.

This is going to be a great hour for us in Ohio!

[jefferson_dem]

66. I've noticed paula ratcheting up the heat the past few weeks, like she's

putting a premium on cutting through the shit, on both sides. I like it.

[Bread and Circus]

98. I gotta hand it to P Zahn tonight, she did really cut through the shit.

WTF got into her?

[TheDonkey]

58. Holy crap. Paula just attacked the goon "tell us what Bush is going to do

the goon goes back to 9/11.

This is looking bad for them!!!!

[Minimus]

60. 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11

[TheDonkey]

65. zahn spouting kerry talking points!! lol wtf happened to her

Is she trying to keep her job when Kerry's in office???

[girl gone mad]

71. You can pretty much count on the

pugs to blame 9/11 for everything they haven't been able to accomplish and all of their mistakes.

9/11 is the new Clenis.

[AlCzervik]

59. everytime Kerik says 9/11 drink 2

[Eurobabe]

75. if I hear September 11th one more fucking time....

sheesh...Kerik = moron.

[dogtag]

61. 1,000,000 jobs lost by 9/11? Has that been fact checked?

Doesn't sound right to me.

[TheDonkey]

70. I'm surprised he didn't say after 9/11, 100,000,000 jobs lost

and Saddam also stole some from us too.

[timber84]

62. 9/11?

now they are blaming job losses in Oh on 9/11. Is it unpatriotic to say you are sick of hearing about 9/11?

[VolcanoJen]

68. Is it unpatriotic to say that 9/11 didn't have much of an effect on Ohio?

I live here. It's not exactly one of America's "great destination spots."

[TheDonkey]

73. Not sick of remembering 9/11. But I'm mad as hell with making it political

it's shameless and disgusting.

He should be kicked out of the forum. Worthless man.

[girl gone mad]

63. Clark is doing very well.

I hope people watching will start to realize that Dems win debates because they have better ideas, not just because Republicans aren't good debaters.


What's with the bad lighting?

[AndrewJacksonFaction]

67. If this is Ohio, I love our chances!!!!!! Go Wes

[KittyWampus]

69. People Cite Their Problems/Questions & Wes Gives Em Kerry's

solutions and Kerik just spouts non-solutions and empty talking points.

[AndrewJacksonFaction]

74. Noticed that as well

[Forkboy]

81. Welcome to DU AJF

:hi:

[TheDonkey]

78. It's amazing. the goons are in panic mode. Clark is tearing up

I'm very impressed. I hope Ohio is tuned into this event.

[nicktom]

83. I agree completely, this is worse for * than the first presidential

debate. I sense that the audience is not buying the * line. Just my opinion.

[Tim_in_HK]

72. Wes is excellent.

Destroying Kerik.

[Cha]

79. Good to know, thanks!

:toast:

[henslee]

76. Poor Kerik is overmatched. Clark has been breathing these talking

points for 2 years. Out of character, Paula has for some reason piled on Kerik. Kerik's no doubt over in over his head talking domestic policies but hey tuff luck. You gotta wonder, is this the best guy the Puglies had to send?

[marlakay]

77. Great they get it that kerry's health plan not going to add

to the deficit. She just asked if they thought that health care was going to add and no one raised hands. I think most people have heard how he is going to pay by getting rid of tax break for the rich.

The people there tonight seem very informed. And Paula is really sticking it to the presidents guy because I think the people in Ohio are sick of being told they will get jobs and healthcare but it not happening.

[direwolf]

80. What a mismatch...

Clark is articulate and imressive, as usual while Kerik trots out the sme old empty rhetoric and talking points. He's (Kerik) frequently off-the-mark, and his attempt at answering (dodging?) that draft question that featured a clever twist was a flatout embarassment.

Here are two people who could end up with high-level or even (in Clark's case) cabinet positions. Clark is winning hands-down, and that's the all caps truth.

[timber84]

82. Rice needs a few..

lessons from Wes!!!!!

[Nashyra]

86. Wes had an excellent response for tort reform

3 strikes and your out. If an attorney brings 3 frivilous oops on spelling lawsuits then he can't bring anymore. Said it was sort of part of the Kerry/Edwards plan, but the judicial system had to be avaiable to the people of this country. Right on.

[fugop]

89. FINALLY!

I never get how people don't understand that the GOP plan for tort reform - capping damages - does NOT protect the average person who's been wronged! It protects the freakin' corporations who inflicted the damages. Way to go, General!

[charleston1]

111. It hurts

To see the caps when damages are really high like in burn victim cases.

[dogtag]

84. Yikes! Where are we going to attack next?

No one in the audience gasped????? Kerik thinks it's OK.....

[TheDonkey]

85. At first when I heard Kehrik speak I was impressed

then he got past his first sentance. This guy has sucessfully lowered expectations for his side.

WOW he's a fool. oh and 9/11

[dogtag]

87. He thought he could get away with telling

his inspiring life's story and what a hero he was on 9/11l

What idiot sent him out to Ohio, I wonder?

[Scoopie]

88. Wes Clark IS

da man.

He is wooing this crowd.
All Bernie has is 9/11 this and 9/11 that. I honor his service with the NYPD, especially DURING 9/11, but that's not the answer to EVERY question.
Wes is a fount of knowledge.
:loveya: that Wesley Clark.

[dogtag]

90. He was the police commissioner -

he was responsible for the police having telephones and radios that worked. They didn't. He doesn't want to talk about that.

[henslee]

94. He's a real mook. That "I got sued 17 times a week" remark . Sheesh.

Weird thing, this town hall event. Felt like there were more commercials than program. Strange pacing.

[Scoopie]

99. I knew he was commissioner

and I knew the buck stopped with him.
But I still respect that he had to live through that day up close and personal.

Wes still kicked his ass, though.
;)

[Tom Rinaldo]

97. Too bad Wes is so "bad at debating", eh? Good riddance to that myth n/t

[Lefta Dissenter]

91. THIS IS MAKING ME CRAZY!

How can ANYONE not vote for our crew!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Minimus]

92. I know! I just told hubby that the dems really look good in OH tonight!

[KittyWampus]

93. If Swing State Undecideds Were Watching This... Bush Is Toast

Kerik was next to useless.

Clark is still my Main Man.

[Sparkly]

100. That was practically unfair.

My General couldn't even HELP but mop the floor with that guy, it was such a mismatch! ;)

Gooooooo, General!!!! :bounce:

[faithnotgreed]

103. thank you everyone for the play by play. i just got online and HAD

to see how this went since it was posted that wes would be on tonight with the undecided voters

sounds beautiful - heres to truth and sanity and democracy! here we come!

[DeepModem Mom]

107. I second that -- thanks for a great report, everybody!

In the words of the Magistrate, Let's get those Bush bastards!

[Crunchy Frog]

105. Well, I'm glad I got to see

a hint of how Clark would have performed in the debates had he been on the ticket.

[sampsonblk]

106. Ughhhh I missed Wes Clark again!

Sounds like he did a good job though. I am so sick of hearing the 9/11 excuse for everything.

[cthrumatrix]

115. congrats to Wes Clark.... for a job well done