So does anybody know what kind of moron is STILL undecided....

[Liberal Veteran]

...at this point in the game?

That is something I think I will never understand. I can see being undecided in June. I can see being undecided before the debates.

For the life of me, I can't understand the kind of wishy-washiness that allows one to be undecided with a little over a week to go before an election, particularly in light of how polarized everyone has been for the last few years.

[Lovecrafty]

1. Ever hunted snipe? Same thing. Like the Yeti or the Sasquatch!

[Philostopher]

2. Color me baffled by it, but ...

there are, apparently, people who actually make that decision when they walk into the booth to vote. Like it was the difference between the barbecued chicken and a cheeseburger. "Hmm ... I think I'll have the totalitarian religious nut for the next four years ... Bush* it is!"

Bleh. I sometimes have to try very hard to suppress the antidemocratic thought that there just might be some people who shouldn't vote.

[gmoney]

3. Have met a few...

basically people whose reflex is to vote for Bush, but whose minds (and maybe hearts) won't let them pull the lever for the man who is ruining America

Most of them have just needed a little push to move to the side of good...

We'll see how that holds up nationwide

[theophilus]

4. Maybe they watch Fox?

The more you watch the less you know. That is pretty much proven. The media has to take a big share of the blame. Folks that want the truth have to look pretty hard. Many folks are really busy working and it is hard to come home in the evening and find a lot of truth being reported on. There is an atmosphere of fear being generated by this administration which also tends to cloud people's minds. The answer is complex but it is so important that we wonder about this. People that are traditional supporters of the right and left don't have to seek as much truth, although they should. I'm just saying, there is a reason why some people are having a particularly hard time now. Maybe they DO like all of the media attention, too. :-)

[flowomo]

5. I know one... and she's not stupid....

a Dem, my neighbor here in PA, a very nice woman and a classic "security mom"... who is leaning very strongly toward Bush.... but is just "uncertain" enough to be persuadable. She and I have exchanged e-mails and she buys the "flip-flop" stuff.... but is very wary of Bush. She is struggling very hard with the choice. I am trying to move her toward Kerry, gently. I would call her "undecided" and she is no moron. We should be trying to win these votes -- not driving them away with insults.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. I just call it as I see it....

From my viewpoint, a person who at this point in the game with a little more than a week before the election who hasn't been able to come to a reasonable decision they can live with is not someone I would think of being intelligent or knows themselves very well.

There comes a point where one has to make a decision and we have passed the point where people have the information they need to reason out a decision (or at least all the information they are likely to get).

[flowomo]

13. I'll let her know your thoughts.... that should get her on our side

[Liberal Veteran]

18. If you want to try to please everyone that is your choice.

I think that kind of approach instead of saying what mean and meaning what we say is why democrats are so easily cast as wishy-washy.

I have the spine to say what I want to say and make no apologies for that fact.

What? I am just supposed to suppress my opinion or sugarcoat things to appeal to some nebulous person who probably won't even read this?

I grew weary of walking on eggshells with everything I said in the months after 9/11 when expressing dissent was to be labled a traitor and I'll be damned if I'll do it anymore without a better reason that the one you are presenting.

[flowomo]

20. I just want to win one more vote in Pennsylvania....

a battleground state.

[Liberal Veteran]

22. And I wish you success in that endeavor....

But to suggest that my opinion on the undecideds at this point in the game is going to make the difference in your efforts is hardly logical from my viewpoint.

I might even agree with you that I am being a bit harsh in my opinion, but I have reached a point where I feel comfortable saying that I can't fathom why anyone would could not have reached a decision at this point.

It's not personal, it's just expressing an opinion.

[flowomo]

23. healthy exchange... and obviously we're on the same side....

besides, I kept your thread kicked.... so you gotta give me that!

[Liberal Veteran]

25. May I make a suggestion to you that may help sway your friend.

Try to put the threat of terrorism into context for her.

For example, more people die every month due to car crashes than have died in the last 20 years due to terrorism. And explain that while vigilance is important, our resources have been diverted from domestic security and making America safer by involving ourselves in a conflict under false pretenses by attacking a country that was not related to terrorism.

Can she really trust the judgement of someone who has failed not once, not twice, but four times?

Once by not acting on ANY warnings of terrorism that he began to get as early as January 25, 2001 when the Hart-Rudman commission warned him that threat of terrorism was two great to ignore.

Twice by invading Afghanistan and not sticking with it to do the job correctly and root out the person who attacked us on 9/11.

Three times by diverting nearly all our resources to a ill-advised an unnecessary conflict in Iraq, a country that NEVER attacked the US.

Four times by ignoring domestic security by not allocating the funds or spearheading efforts to secure our ports and nuclear power plants.

Simply put Bush hasn't done much of anything to secure this country from terrorism which is where our main focus should be. Just because he stood with a bullhorn making a speech at ground zero after the deed was already done doesn't make him an effective leader. It merely makes him an opportunist.

[HawkerHurricane]

6. Easy...

At this point, the 'undecideds' are lifetime Republicans who can't stand the thought of voting for Bush OR any Democrat. So they stand, unable to fish (MUST get rid of Bush) or cut bait (Can't vote for a Democrat).

[ThoughtCriminal]

7. Single issue voters

They'll agree that Bush is a moron, but are totally fixated on one issue - Guns, Abortion, or whatever. I know one couple that supported Bush last time because they figureed he would open more land to 4-wheelers.

[emulatorloo]

8. People who don't want to vote for GWB, but can't quite commit to Kerry

However, at some point they'll take the plunge. . .voting booth I guess.

[flowomo]

9. exactly, as in the example I gave above

[Liberal Veteran]

24. I can't imagine relegating something as important as my vote...

...to the whims of the moment in the voting booth.

Of course I also don't mind saying I don't know understand how anyone with half a brain could vote for Bush.

Logically I can accept the fact that there are some very intelligent people out their who I wildly disagree on almost everything, but Bush has been a disaster for this country.

How anyone could vote for a man who didn't do ANYTHING to prevent 9/11, makes war on a country that was no threat, apologizes for nothing, and thinks that all Americans should be Christians and has no compassion for the needy is beyond my ability to comprehend.

[disgruntled_goat]

10. cmon - it's limbaugh listeners

i get the SAME goddamn talking points from every one of these shitheads

.."well i dont like bush but i just cant vote for the MOST LIBERAL senator ever.."

do they know what 'liberal' means? NO
do they know what '#1 liberal' means? NO
can they argue anything besides talking points? GOD NO
have they examined ANYTHING on their own? NO NO NO

there are millions of these cretins out there.

a plague upon you all.

[Ksec]

12. attention whores

thats a given

[secular_warrior]

14. The average nosepicking American ?

who watches reality shows, buys everything they see on commercials, lives in their own little selfish world, thinks they're too cool to really inform themselves on the issues and politics.

[Abelman]

15. Show them

Going Upriver.

I think the main thing that worries undecideds is that they are unsure about John Kerry's ability to serve as president. I'm sure most are very wary of Bush, and could easily be swayed if they could see what a strong person Kerry is.

[woofless]

16. what kind?

FIRST CLASS!

[tomfodw]

17. People who haven't really paid much if any attention until now?

If not that, I have no idea who could still be undecided.

[flowomo]

19. How about these two "morons"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1149193

I assume they were "undecided" until very recently.

[DemoCrusader]

21. Undecided Voters

Ditto. Who could be undecided with who the opposition has running! LOL