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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:16 AM
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Freeps say folks should pass a test to vote. They blame the voters

They blame the voters for the mistakes and obstacles of the system. Past case law rightly puts most of the burden on the system, not on the voter:

Guinn v. United States, 238 U.S. 347 (1915):
The Court in this case considered the constitutionality of an amendment to the Oklahoma Constitution, which established a literacy test as a condition for registering to vote or for voting, but exempted from the requirement people who had been entitled to vote before January 1, 1866, or their lineal descendants (known generally as a grandfather clause). The Court found that there could be no reason for the grandfather clause other than to create a standard of voting that revitalized conditions existing prior to the adoption of the 15th Amendment. Thus, it was void under the 15th Amendment to the Constitution. The Court also held that the literacy test itself was so connected to the grandfather clause that the unconstitutionality of the latter rendered the entire amendment invalid. (Grandfather Clause- http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/scripts/jimcrow/glossary.cgi?searchtype=term&term=grandfather%20clause)

Nixon v. Herndon, 273 U.S. 536 (1927):
The Supreme Court in this case held unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment a Texas statute that barred blacks from voting in Democratic Party primary elections. Although the statute was challenged under both the 14th and 15th Amendments, the Court did not consider the 15th Amendment claim because it found it “hard to imagine a more direct and obvious infringement of the Fourteenth Amendment.” (White Primary- http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/scripts/jimcrow/glossary.cgi?searchtype=term&term=white%20primary)

Grovey v. Townsend, 295 U.S. 45 (l935), overruled by Smith v. Allwright, Election Judge, 321 U.S. 649 (1944):
In this case, the Court upheld a resolution adopted by the Texas Democratic Party at its state convention that restricted membership in the party and participation in its deliberations to white citizens of Texas. Based on this resolution, the black plaintiff was denied a ballot in the primary election. The Supreme Court held that action by the party’s state convention was not state action under the 14th or 15th Amendments, and denial of the right to vote in a primary, versus a general election, was merely refusal of party membership and did not violate the Constitution.

Breedlove v. Suttles, Tax Collector, 302 U.S. 277 (1937), overruled by Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966):
This case considered the constitutionality of a Georgia poll tax of $1, which applied to all inhabitants of the state between the ages of 21 and 60, but not to blind persons or to women who did not register to vote. Payment of the tax was required in order to register and vote in any election. A white male challenged the statute as unconstitutional under the equal protection and privileges and immunities clauses of the 14th Amendment and the 19th Amendment. The Court upheld the poll tax and found it violated neither the 14th nor the 19th Amendments.

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/msdelta/ch3.htm


Why is this generation willing to revive so many of the past obstacles to voting, and even create some new ones?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:18 AM
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1. Oh my, with their atrocious spelling and grammar?
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Hog lover Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:21 AM
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2. I have a test for Freepers:
1) Saddam Hussein had WMD when USA invaded Iraq. True / False
2) Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. True / False

If you answer True to either question, you may not vote.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:31 AM
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6. I was going to use your answer...
...but you've already done so. Yes, can we ask that test, since Bush supporters are monumentally self-deluded?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:32 AM
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8. *Never* ask a freeper those questions
their head will explode and ruin your shirt
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:45 AM
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36. 3. Fraudulent documents may not be used...
a. By a news anchor to broadcast a story. True / False
b. By a president to go to war. True / False
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bucknaked Donating Member (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:21 AM
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3. Yeah, and WE'RE the "elitists," according to them? LMAO!
n/m
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realcountrymusic Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:21 AM
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4. Indeed, let's make it a spelling test
Freeper spelling is the 8th wonder of the world. It tells you a lot about their general level of ignorance and low level of education. As for testing, I say *bring it on.* The vast majority of well educated Americans are liberals. Please, freepers, let's have a test. You go first.

RCM
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:43 AM
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12. Freeper + computer=
Now you know why Microsoft writes software as they do. :P
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newscaster Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:28 AM
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5. I like the idea of a test.
The test would be this.......


If you are dressed in bib overalls or camouflage clothing, a Caterpillar Tractor baseball cap, muddied old army brogans; if you are missing all but two teeth, each stained a bright yellow orange red from spittin' tobacky; If you have a beer belly, bad breath and a Chevy truck up on blocks in your lawn less yard, you pass and will be allowed to vote for the shrub.

Similarly......

If you wife had carrot orange curly hair, wears bunny slippers that are 15 years old, a house dress bought at a thrift shop for $1.37, nicotine stained finger tips and who was voted Miss Landfill of 1951, then she too can vote.

The ability to reed, rite, spel and whistle Dixie is not necessary.

That would be a good test. Ya think?

:puke:
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realcountrymusic Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 03:20 AM
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24. In my opinion
Freepers wear business suits and work in middle management. Guys in feed caps and overalls are generally a much better class of human being, even when I disagree with them about politics.

RCM
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:45 AM
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37. Ditto that!
You said it well. And at least the folks in housedresses and bibs are honest about their feelings and opinions. Never trust a Freeper in a three-piece suit, especially the one behind the wheel of that new SUV.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:31 AM
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7. how funny considering most of them can't even spell--they'd fail
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:33 AM
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9. Electric Kool-aid Acid Test! n/t
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:40 AM
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10. They do pass a test
It's called the citizenship test, dumbasses (Freepers, not the original poster).
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:43 AM
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11. I wish!
That way, the 60% of Bush voters who think that Saddam attacked the US would be disqualified.

I'd love an 80-20 split.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:48 AM
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13. they would lose their base...stupid people who don't ask questions
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:51 AM
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14. Excellent idea
A test of basic literacy skills would keep most freepers out of the polls.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:03 AM
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18. and take down a good swath of everone else with them
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 02:04 AM by bigtree
I hope you don't take much offense if I detect a little elitism in that assessment of the electorate: dumb freepers vs. the rest of 'us'.

I can say off the top of my head that illiteracy is high because of the influx of new immigrants, and because of a senior generation who lacked, had to forgo, or were denied an education. Others have communities which have funding disparities with other more affluent districts, keeping new generations at a disadvantage.

Literacy laws are designed to discriminate in a fashion that contradicts the intent of the democratic system of full representation and equal access.

edit: sp :D
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:54 AM
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15. Well I have an answer:
Why is this generation willing to revive so many of the past obstacles to voting, and even create some new ones?

Simple-- when they can't win fairly, they find ways to cheat.

Take Heart: In the end they always lose and progressives always win.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:59 AM
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16. yeah
but it takes so long and hurts so much in the meantime.
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:00 AM
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17. Here's a simple test
If you're stupid enough to vote for dick 'n' chimp, you're too stupid to vote.
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jbond56 Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:17 AM
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20. intresting to ponder
First off I think restricting voting is one definition of unamerican.

I think it could be a positive thing as long as we set a sunset provision. The test should cover the previous 4 years of government changes and actions. That would include how much money collected and spent. Basically you would be required to understand what the government did, how much it cost, how long we will be in debt, the income of citizens, and the health of the economy.

Can you imagine how many R's would fail.

60% beleive iraq had something to do with 9/11

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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:06 AM
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19. How about a compromise: freepers can take a test to vote, and...
...the rest of the American voters can use our poll-test-free voting systems, as usual, with no interruptions from the test-taking morans.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:20 AM
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28. You gotta know how to read to take a test. Yawlzum!
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:22 AM
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21. They're ignorant of the intent of the Founding Fathers.
Who are to be the electors of the Federal Representatives? Not the rich more than the poor; not the learned more than the ignorant; not the haughty heirs of distinguished names, more than the humble sons of obscure and unpropitious fortune. The electors are to be the great body of the people of the United States. -- The Federalist No. 57 (James Madison).
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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:23 AM
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22. Studies have proven that stupid people are Bush's best
shot to get elected this time. I agree..give a test! LOL
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:31 AM
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23. iq test would keep dub's supporters from getting anywhere near a ...
...voting stand.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:01 AM
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25. Sure, when they agree to pass an intelligence test.
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chimp chump Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 05:16 AM
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26. If they fail the test...
...we'll have to enroll them in a voter education program.

We can call it "No Voter Left Behind".
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:21 AM
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30. ...Or reclassify them as lesser primates...
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 07:22 AM by obiwan
...roller skates for the knuckles, you know.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 05:21 AM
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27. If we gave a test over current events, none of the freeps would pass
Bush supporters are so ignorant of the facts that they would all be sitting home next Tuesday if there were a test.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:21 AM
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29. Most Freeps would FAIL a basic issues test!
Studies prove they're typically misinformed. Ideology will only get you so far.
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:25 AM
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31. Freeper idea of a test..
Are you a Republican?
Will you be voting for Bush?

Answering yes to both these questions gives you the right to vote.
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r_u_stuck2 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:26 AM
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32. POLL TAX
I am an old man and I remember the poll tax in Alabama. I lived there. My mother told me when she registered to vote she had to pass an oral test prior to being registered. They asked her what several passages from the constitution really meant. They also coached her to get the correct answers. (She was white).

These methods were used to prevent blacks from voting.

Just the same thing in another disguise. This country has moved beyond that (I hope).
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shrdlu Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:31 AM
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33. How about a poll tax? That would,,,
...be a good thing. And just leave the voting to us land-owning white males...
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:37 AM
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34. Oh my!
Good idea. That would eliminate most of them.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:40 AM
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35. If they can rule out any voters with an IQ above about 40, they...
will win every time!
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