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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:18 PM
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Poll question: If Wellstone were still alive, whom do you thinh he would have endorsed?
Edited on Sat Jan-17-04 02:20 PM by ih8thegop
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:19 PM
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1. Who knows?
:shrug:
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:20 PM
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2. Shouldn't you change the question to: Who do you support?
I mean, really, lol. Unless someone around here is channelling Wellstone.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:35 PM
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9. I voted Kucinich
Actually I think Kucinch would be endorsing Wellstone and there would be no Howard Dean. But I didn't just vote Kerry because Wellstone and Kucinich are much more in sync than any of the rest.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:21 PM
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3. I voted that he wouldn't make an endorsement...
...he would have likely praised those policy positions and statements he agreed with, but I could be wrong. And it's speculative, and just asking for a flame fest, especially here, to even ask, not that it shouldn't be asked. You just aren't likely to get realistic results.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:29 PM
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5. I voted that he would have voted for Dean because
I remember how Paul Wellstone was very much in Bill Bradley's corner during the 2000 primary campaign. Like minded thinking.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:29 PM
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4. I think that we'd see Kucinich supporting Wellstone
If he somehow didn't run (I'm pretty sure he would have), my guess would be Kucinich. He might even have argued Dennis into taking a more responsible position with regard to our occupation of Iraq.

Almost certainly not Dean, tho. Nor my candidate Clark. I support Clark and it would pain me to know I was working against whoever Wellstone supported. But it's a pain I wish I had right now.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:39 PM
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10. Id wager Wellstone would probably try to keep Kucinich in the House
And use his power and influence there, hopefully to build ties and a foundation for Speaker.

Thats where I think Kucinich has jumped the gun a little too fast in my opinion. If we could have a Speaker like him in the House, hed be rock solid. And hes a great motivator.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:32 PM
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6. If he were alive, he very well might have run himself
If he were alive, he very well might have run himself.
He might even be the frontrunner and the people-powered
candidate.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:34 PM
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7. Himself, actually
He'd be running I think. Otherwise Kucinich, hopefully, if Wellstone was truly the man of pure integrity like I think he was. Or Kerry. Maybe Dean for whatever reason Gore and Bradley endorsed him that I don't understand anyway.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 03:15 PM
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13. Wellstone had a bad back. He almost didn't run for reelection because
Edited on Sat Jan-17-04 03:15 PM by w4rma
of it.

He is a pragmatist, therefore I think he would have endorsed Dean back when Feingold did.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 03:50 PM
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16. Feingold endorsed Dean?
I never heard that
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 03:57 PM
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18. I didn't either
Edited on Sat Jan-17-04 03:57 PM by goobergunch
A link would be much appreciated...thanks!
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 03:59 PM
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19. Yes, he would have endorsed himself because he would have run and won
the nomination.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:34 PM
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8. IMO the most useless poll ever on DU
The man is dead let him rest in peace, this is morbid and ignorant!

Why not ask who FDR would vote for or JFK or any other deceased Democrat?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 03:00 PM
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12. I disagree
Sure it's an academic question, but it's also a way of measuring our own choices against the True North of our generation. With one candidate having lifted his line "Democratic wing of the Democratic party" it's a very serious question. And for Wellstone it was a sincere statement of how to run the country, not boilerplate to rally the base and turn off moderates.

The reason this question is different than asking about FDR or JFK is that they had their moments in the sun two and three generations ago. Wellstone was robbed of his moment. I can feel his absense today. I miss his voice. I reckon I'd be behind a different candidate than him, but I know in my bones that it would be a principled difference and that after Boston we would stand together.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 02:43 PM
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11. I personally believe he'd be running, were he alive.
Edited on Sat Jan-17-04 02:43 PM by Cuban_Liberal
That's why I voted 'He wouldn't make an endorsement'.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 03:24 PM
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14. As a Dean suporter I voted kucinich
But who really knows.

Would have either been Kucinich or Dean I am fairly certain
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 03:49 PM
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15. I dont know really
I would love to say DK lol but I dont wanna sound biased, he may have Dean, and Kerry I think would be a possiblity, they worked together a lot. I thikn theres a chance he could have been running himself though.
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 03:55 PM
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17. the results are baffling, not a surprise on DU.
I would think the results would show totals only for 'Kucinich' and 'wouldn't make and endorsement' options.

Wellstone was a man of integrity he would not so easily deviate from his core beliefs to make an endorsement if he were to make one.

TWL
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 04:00 PM
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20. Kucinich most mirrors Welstone...and Welstone might have run...
would have loved to see him on the ballot.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 04:04 PM
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21. We can be sure he NEVER would have supported Clark...
The numbers here are (for once)correct--i could speculate as to ,why, but that would be get me deleted (hint: some may never have heard of Wellstone).

In any case, it would be one of the progressive candidates, and that means Dean is the most likely choice.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 04:17 PM
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22. As a Clark supporter, I find that offensive
Actually, I don't think Wellstone would have made an endorsement.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 04:46 PM
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24. I dont think he would have either
but not because of Clark's voting history. If I recall right, Wellstone was one of the few senate dems to be critical of how Kosovo was done.
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exJW Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 05:13 PM
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27. Actually, quite likely Clark
Wellstone was a fan (and cooperative) of Clark's work in Kosova, as are most informed people who find genocide distasteful.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 05:20 PM
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29. Clark is for the Kyoto Treaty, is very pro-environment.
n/t
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 05:24 PM
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30. Dean is NOT Progressive! Have you seen his record on the Environment,
criminal justice, mental health, his pro-business bent, how he cut programs in Vermont? How he was a tax-cutting fiend?

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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 04:42 PM
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23. Not only were Kucinich and Wellstone good friends....
But Kucinich was up here campaigning and even canvassing for Wellstone in 2002. That has lead to speculation that Dennis was going to get an endorsement there.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 04:47 PM
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25. long time no see man
Hows Dennis doing in MN??
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 04:51 PM
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26. For God's sakes! Wellstone called Dean an "environmental racist."
Edited on Sat Jan-17-04 04:55 PM by gore-is-my-president
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/4745/LLRW/Texas/vermont.html

The point's been proven, Dean=Bush's under fire for this from a number of sources, the late Senator Paul Wellstone blasted Dean as an environmental racist. He's being soundly criticised by the Wellstone foundation, especially after he's stolen many of Paul Wellstone's well known comments regarding issues. The Sierra Club and other environmental groups will crucify him because he's claiming he's some bastion of progressiveness.


http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030526&s=farrell

Dean advocated sending nuclear waste from his state to the poor, mostly Hispanic town of Sierra Blanca, Texas. Wellstone called the proposal "blatant environmental injustice" and fought to delay the measure in the Senate. It ultimately passed but was later determined unsafe

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 05:49 PM
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31. Link? Proof? Your links don't indicate Paul said any such thing.
Paul Wellstones associate Jim Farrell, slammed Dean, Wellstone did not to my knowlege. Additionally, he and Harkin were very close and I think he'd have endorsed Wellstone as did Tom Harkin.

Then Paul Wellstone would have been demonized here like everyone else who has supported Dean.

I live in Minnesota, and worked on the Wellstone Campaign, *which doesn't mean I speak for him* But, I think he'd have endorsed Dean if anyone at all.

Dean was the FIRST to recieve the Wellstone Award per the AFLCIO

http://www.aflcio.org/mediacenter/prsptm/pr01082003.cfm

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16592

Dean is running his campaign like Paul Wellstone did in Minnesota. Grass Roots style.

I feel the spirit of Paul behind Howard Dean every step of the way. GO DEAN!!! :hi:
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 05:16 PM
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28. Himself he would have made a damn good one
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