|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) |
dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:21 PM Original message |
Clinton advised Kerry to endorse state bans on gay marriage |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
derbstyron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. It would not have mattered |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 03:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
62. You're right.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Anyone suprised. This is the same guy |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
StickNCA (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 02:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
58. err.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
73. No shock from me on this issue, Clinton voted FOR the DOMA... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 07:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
74. Like I said in a previous post...Bill Clinton can go fuck himself. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. To ENDORSE them? Well then screw Clinton too.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. Too bad Clinton didn't ban BJs in the oval office. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Good use of right wing talking points...nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 12:55 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You don't have to be right wing to see Clinton had a zipper problem |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. He did exactly that |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. I read that |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrTriumph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Clinton did not sell you out |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 03:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
63. Translate, please... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrTriumph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 08:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Don't Ask Don't Tell |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
77. Maybe sell out was a strong choice of words for me |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
42. Kerry's cryptic position that he's against gay-marriage, but |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:24 AM Response to Reply #42 |
76. He tried to walk a fine line |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. I think you can be against something |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. How many right wing fanatics were going to change their vote to Kerry? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
52. Just keep them from going to the polls. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 03:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
64. Not to mention that... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. That's it. He's lost my vote. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
FellowAmerican (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. But he did |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. Clinton also told him to stop talking about Vietnam |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
CityDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 02:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
60. Difference between Clinton and Kerry |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. Actually, I believe this to be a states right issue also |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
uhhuh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Or Give Them That Right |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TimeToGo (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:30 PM Original message |
Well, maybe it is true |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:42 PM Original message |
He did the same type of thing to Dean. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TimeToGo (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
21. Who did what? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Check your mail. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Good for Kerry for saying no thank you |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Newsflash: Kerry lost, Bush won |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. When you trade your values....... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Newsflash: Dean lost too |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Yes, he did. You need to read his book. You would understand more. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. He was brought down because of civil unions??? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 12:37 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. True, but VT civil unions law was why they wanted Dean on the ticket so |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 12:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Maybe |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Sarcasm? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:18 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. That was one issue. I am not insane. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrTriumph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Huh? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:01 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. The Supreme Court decides what the Equal Protection Clause means |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
chimp chump (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 06:20 AM Response to Reply #40 |
67. your comment.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 06:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
71. Actually ... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pmbryant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
80. Your argument assumes a different decision would have changed anything |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TimeToGo (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
13. Sorry didn't mean to post it twice |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
14. Read Dean's book. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
16. Marriage is a sacrament. A bond between two people and God. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Marriage is also a civil, lsecular, legal bond. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cedahlia (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. According to YOU it is a sacrament |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 12:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Marriage is ALREADY legislated. Did you not KNOW that? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 06:16 AM Response to Reply #38 |
66. The law governing the |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
17. I should have added... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. Assuming that the vote went for Bush without fraud |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
22. See, THIS is why we have to get rid of our party's leaders. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
29. Kerry voted against DOMA though |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. But see it should not be perceived by what *they* would do. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
socalover (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-04 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
31. Big Dawg was correct! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
32. Whatever Clinton says, we should just follow directions and shut up |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GOPNotForMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Both times, especially the first, he had a LOT of help from Ross Perot |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. You're asking for an unlikely split in '92 |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
54. I feel the same way |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
chimp chump (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 06:26 AM Response to Reply #32 |
69. Clinton's victory and Gore's close finish... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Exactly, and I've emphasized the likeability/Teflon link frequently |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
34. integrity, integrity, integrity |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GOPNotForMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
44. THANK YOU, KERRY! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dolstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:22 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. With all due respect, that's a loser mindset |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GOPNotForMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:28 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. And you know when the GOP became a truly effective opposition party? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 02:16 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Well, the opposing party has to oppose sometimes. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
48. This should shut |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Yes, and it hurt Dean as well. I admire them both for their stances. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Don't take it the wrong way |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 02:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I knew what you meant. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 01:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Kerry likely made a political calculation. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SoCalDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
56. All Kerry had to do was this |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
61. Can Newsweek prove Bill said that? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
chimp chump (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
65. Clinton was wrong. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
68. Yep. We'll never win without the precious bigot vote. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Catfight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Then winning isn't winning if that's what it takes. I'd rather be on the |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
70. Hey, he might have been right on the politics |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
72. If that's true, then fuck Bill Clinton, too. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-04 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
81. Bill Clinton -- master of the political strategic retreat |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Thu May 02nd 2024, 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC