So in 06 I propose we put initiatives outlawing divorce in RED STATES

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

And call them defense of marriage ballot initiatives. Let's turn the fundi's in on themselves. Word them so if someone votes NO on it, it also means they support civil unions amongst any two adults.

[leftist.]

1. Let's do it!

After two and a half days of thinking about this loss, it's ramifications, what it means for the future, I think this is the best way to fight the creeping conservative attitude in amerika. Not only will we go along with their agenda, but we will attempt to pass it in it's most extreme forms! And this idea is a goddam good start.

[Donkeyboy75]

2. Good idea.

That, unfortunately, would take fortitude I haven't seen from Democratic leadership recently.

[Politicub]

61. Don't wait on the dem leadership

Are you in a red state? I am.

I'm going to get off my ass and figure out how to get this done here in Georiga. LOL

[tnlefty]

3. Sounds great, but the murder rate will go up.....

but, then again, wasn't it research from Focus on the Family or one of those groups that clearly showed that divorce rates among the evangelical group were the highest?

Hey, this really has potential!

[Hello_Kitty]

28. Fundies murdering eachother? I love it. Sign me up!

[ellie]

37. ROTFLMAO

[SharonAnn]

75. And abortions are the same percentage as general population

[liberal_in_GA]

4. great idea

I was also wondering if there was a way to put the onus on red states once Roe V. Wade is overturned? Red state tax dollars would be responsible for the feeding, schooling, housing and medical care of all of those unwanted children. We could call it the "Rescued Child Act" or something like that...

I have no idea if this is possible, but I think it's great strategy to go overboard in giving them exactly what they want. Let the chickens *really* come home to roost.

[Kammer]

5. Great Idea

"Rescued Child Act"

We could get the Democratic House of Representatives to pass, er ug, maybe the Democratic Senate, oh shit, well, the Democratic President could push, damn forgot we don't have that either.

WE. HAVE. NO. POWER.

We must change our tactics to regain power, only then can we pass laws.

[liberal_in_GA]

7. I'm just saying that if these ideas are introduced

into the public arena, and if red state politicians/repukes balk at any discussion of how we're supposed to care for all of the unwanted children, then we can call them on their hypocrisy. We might not have power to pass laws, but we have to power to try to force their hand.

[abburdlen]

26. What do you mean no power?

open letter to every conservative legislater
.....
Dear
congratulations on your victory. I know now that the american people have spoken that you'll continue to help fight for the values that made america strong. I'm certain we moral american can count on your support to help keep our families strong. Too long has the liberal establishment in Hollywood pushed their anti-family agenda on america. Too long have we let radical groups pass laws that hurt the children of our country. Too long have we drifted from the principle that made our nation great. That's why I'm urging you to introduce legislation outlawing divorce. You've shown you'll defend the institution of marriage against activist judges now is the time to stand up against no-fault divorce.

Thank-you


.....
For those active church goer, get something like that circulating. An Orwellian name like "Rescue Children" or "Save our Families" LTTE asking why congressment so-in-so won't stand up and defend our children against by introducing said bill...

With coordination we can so the rest of america how extreme these elected officals really are.

[ellie]

38. Thanks for this,

I am going to start sending it to all my repuke congresspeople.

[Dorian Gray]

43. Okay, I see why you might want to introduce that bill

But don't you think that many liberals will be appalled by such bill, and it will further distance a good number of the liberal party from those who sponsor such a bill, even in the Red States?

[liberal_in_GA]

82. perfect!

We should all begin bombarding our reps with similar missives.

:bounce:

[wicket]

6. Let's go for it!!!!

[Justice]

8. Good Strategy

I like these ideas.

[Gyre]

9. Fault-based divorce at least!

Oooh, the freepers are gonna hate that.

Gyre

[Retrograde]

15. but just think of the opportunities!

Full employment for private detectives trying to find evidence for one partner against each other! Back before no-fault divorce in most states there were people who, for a fee, would arrange to meet one of the couple who wanted to get divorced in a hotel somewhere, then arrange to have the other partner "discover" them, just happening to have a camera with them, of course (Diane di Prima writes about making money as a paid correspondant in Memoirs of a Beatnik. Dorothy Sayers also mentions this in one of her mysteries)

And since we're outlawing abortion, think of all the opportunities for orphanage workers! We can revive some ideas from the Orphan Trains of the early 1900s (surplus orphans were shipped from big Eastern cities to farmes in the midWest, where they could learn the virtues of hard work.) We could ship all these extra children off to sweatshop where they can help our Glorious Leader restore US manufacturing by working for even lower wages than offshore workers. And since they're not going to need all that much edumacation in their new fulfilling lives we can take all that money we're wasting on schools and send it to needy defense contractors. Happy days all around! Wheeeeeeeee!

Sorry, got carried away. I'm still trying to get my head around why so many people voted against their own interests.

[City Lights]

10. Why stop there?

Let's also go for pre-marital, adulterous sex and in-vitro fertilization!

How many babies are murdered each year through in-vitro fertilization? These poor babies are left as clumps in a petri dish! We can't have that! They have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! All we need are a few willing wombs! Maybe we need a draft movement for wombs to transport these clumps to life.

[liberal_in_GA]

11. exactly

And people should start picketing fertility clinics.

[sonicx]

12. When the Bigot Ammendment first came up, several people said....

"Why not ban divorce?"

I'm surprised someone hasn't put it to congress yet...

[GOPBasher]

13. THAT IS SUCH AN AWESOME IDEA!

Sorry for shouting, but I'm so serious. I REALLY want to do that!

[Straight Shooter]

14. I say we propose a Constitutional ban on ADULTERY, period

I believe Repubs commit more adultery than Dems.

Furthermore, it is one of the 10 Commandments. There is no commandment against homosexuality, unless I guess if it's adulterous homosexuality.

So it's time for them to put their morals where their mouth is and do something about the rotten decay that is truly disintegrating their marriages -- adultery.

Believe me, I know of what I speak. When I was younger, it was unbelievable the number of married men who came on to me. Church-going pillars of their community, too.

[ktowntennesseedem]

46. An adultery ban will be part of the package-deal in the new theocracy!

[chimp chump]

72. Well...

"There is no commandment against homosexuality, unless I guess if it's adulterous homosexuality."

Same-sex activities would fall under the many prohibitions against fornication. Basically, anything outside of marriage is forbidden.

[chimp chump]

73. [dupe, deleted]

[terrya]

16. Good idea. I'm completely with this. Put up or shut up, fundie assholes.

They claim that they care about families...time for them to prove it.

[LibInternationalist]

17. sounds good, if it can be done

[zulchzulu]

18. I thought about that a while ago...we should get it on as a bill

What better protection of the sanctity of marriage than making divorce illegal.

[Don Claybrook]

19. Damn right! Divorce is a mortal sin

(Please disregard my first marriage for the purposes of this post).

And while we're at it, can some bible scholars please confirm that God wants our bodies to be temples? So we need some anti-smoking amendments, and god knows the red states need some healthy eating initiative amendments. Ban fried foods! Can I get an amen?

Too motherfucking blessed to be stressed!

[ktowntennesseedem]

48. Smoking ban would be tough, but I'd love to watch 'em squirm!

All them fundy preachers love to harp on the evils of the world, including tobacco, (or as they would say, "baccer"). But they grow just a bit of tobacco in the south, and while they won't dare admit it, they love money more than they love Jesus.

LOL; can't wait to see which god comes out on top in this one!

[bklyncowgirl]

20. "What God has joined together let no man put asunder"

That's actually in the Bible and pretty damn unequivocal.

If Jesus is your personal savior you should at least be willing to do what the man said.

[chimp chump]

71. ...let no man put asunder.

Look at the context:

Mark 10 KJV

10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Use of this passage would seem to undercut any argument you might advance to legalize gay marriage.

I think the conservative evangelicals would take your bet. You also have to contend with Paul's epistle to the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 7) which clarifies Christian doctrine in a way that is more flexible about divorce, particularly divorce between Christian and non-Christian spouses. It also fails to offer any application of marriage to same-sex couples.

Christian churches have been around for a very long time. No utterly inflexible institution can possibly survive rigid dogmatism over time and in so many societies.

[cally]

21. Oh, yeah

I'm willing to go there and get the signatures. I like this idea. The Bible is clear that divorce is not acceptable. Well, much more clear than anything against abortion or gay rights. Push the Bible quotes in their face.

[SemperEadem]

54. actually, the bible does allow for divorce in certain circumstances

if one spouse becomes a believer and the other won't follow along and leaves the marriage, the one left is free to remarry.

[underseasurveyor]

22. Do unto others?

A brilliant idea NSMA. Certainly no one dare ever accuse you of not being thoughtful or concerned about the private lives of fundi-wackos. They need all the help they can get.
:evilgrin:
(I hope that came out right;-) )

[ContinentalOp]

23. Absolutely! We need to fund some really crazy right-wing bible thumping..

candidates in red states to run as republicans and propose all sorts of moral crusade issues like this. Really separate "the wheat from the chaff" within the Republican party.

[nancyharris]

24. Sigh...

No wonder we lost.

[sonicx]

30. Divorce destroys the sanctity of marriage...

This is serious business. Marriage is under attack by selfish hedoists.

[underseasurveyor]

31. You have a better idea? Put it out there.

Correction: We didn't "lose" since you have obviously forgotten SO soon:eyes:

[Kammer]

47. Sigh

nancyharris you are correct.

[Trajan]

77. For Nancy Harris and Kammer ....

sigh ....

You know ? ... political parties do LOTS of things ... with lots of people having lots of ideas ...

If you dont like the toy your playing with: put it down, and find another ....

I find that 'defending marriage' by outlawing divorce has a certain irony about it: it would actually serve to DEFEND marriages, whereas the supposed target of the latest rage amongst fundamentalists, homosexuals, cannot in ANY WAY interfere with the workings, traditions or functionalities of marriage ....

Even if you find it petty ... can you understand how it serves the purpose of revealing the absurd ? ...

You neednt sign your name .... in fact: you neednt participate in any way .....

Freedom is wonderful in that way ....

[Toucano]

25. I like it nsma!

It's just the sort of "strategery" we need.

We should also say that state X will not recognize divorces granted in other states, so if your ex moves to state X, you're married again.

[RafterMan]

27. Excellent idea.

It's judo chess!

[ismnotwasm]

29. Good idea, AND ya know what else?

Not a bible expert here, but I am quite sure that Jesus himself said NO DIVORCE some where in there. Never did understand how the hypocrites got around that one.

[DBoon]

32. And force all Republican politicians to go back to their first spouse

That would be huge fun!

[GDoyle]

33. Should we ban divorce or....

Say a three strikes and you're out rule like Al Franken proposed. In other words, if you've been divorced 3 times, that is it, you can't legally get married again. Or we could lower it to 2 times, whatever.

In any event, I say we work on these.

GDoyle

[Cleita]

34. Great idea NSMA.

We should also pass laws jailing uncircumcised men and forcing them to undergo the procedure to avoid jail. See how they like the tables turned on them for a change.

[ComerPerro]

35. Good idea, but you made the classic logical error

you took for granted the assumption that freepers can detect hypocricy.

[JETS]

36. How about a 3 strikes and you're out law?

In order to protect the sanctity of marriage, Rush should not be allowed to marry a 4th time!

[evilqueen]

41. LOL

"protect the women from Rush"

[Kadie]

65. Get divorced 3 times and go to jail. n/t

[underseasurveyor]

69. Can we make that retroactive?

Additional prison time for Rash Limpills :evilgrin:

[trogdor]

39. How about one outlawing in-vitro fertilization?

I mean, they don't like embryonic stem cell research. I bet they really won't like the idea of producing a bunch of embryos, most of which get thrown in the trash.

Of course, all those 40-something suburban types with fifty grand burning a hole in their pockets and the two-minute warning about to sound on their biological clocks won't be happy about this in the least.

Hey, I'd even be willing to design a website supporting this very thing. Who's with me?

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. and if you get a divorce in a red state, you get the death penalty.

Go for it.

[NinetySix]

42. Outlaw divorce & bigamy; equate re-marriage to bigamy

Shove their own hypocritical "moral values" right up their collective ass and twist.

[buddhamama]

44. brilliant !

absolutely fucking brilliant idea, Teena.

you're the right's worst enemy, a lesbian with smarts and cunning. :loveya:

[Shopaholic]

45. And while we're at it---

let's throw up the subject of birth control--I mean, if they're against abortion, they'll have to be against birth control too, right??? (Trust me, plenty of fundies may hate the whole abortion issue but they love their birth control pills)!

[LibertyLover]

59. and while we're at it

I liked the irony of introducing laws outlawing divorce, given the higher than average divorce rate among fundamentalist Christians, but please, don't joke about introducing laws outlawing birth control. There are a number of right wing religious nut groups out there who are seriously trying to do just that. I recall an interview with I believe Randall Terry in which he said that outlawing abortion was just the first step. What they really wanted to do was to outlaw birth control as well. And there have been several stories recently about doctors who will no longer prescribe birth control pills or devices for their patients on moral grounds and pharmacists who will not fill scripts for birth control presented to them for the same reason - they believe that birth control is wrong no matter what.

[Politicub]

63. Banning birth control is a losing proposition for the right

I say we give them even more rope to hang themselves with.

[Politicub]

64. Banning birth control is a losing proposition for the right

I say we give them all the rope that they need to hang themselves with.

[Straight Shooter]

49. And while we're at it, all Christians must TITHE

to their churches if they want to keep their effin' tax exempt status.

I never thought it would be possible to HATE organized religion so much. Power concentrated in the hands of selfish, sanctimonious, petty people, that's all it is.

[ArtVandaley]

50. Haha, I love it!

I think that in swing states we should fill the ballots with initiatives that'll get liberals who wouldn't normally vote to the polls; like legalizing pot, stem cell research, stuff like that.

[Straight Shooter]

51. And while we're on the subject, make all professed Christians TITHE

to their churches if they want to keep their effin' tax exempt status.

I never thought it would be possible to HATE organized religion so much. Power concentrated in the hands of selfish, sanctimonious, petty people, that's all it is.

[SemperEadem]

55. LOL--persecute them with their own biblical admonitions

they'll howl the loudest when forced to adhere to their religious dictates.

[BurtWorm]

57. Wow! That is also brilliant. A law enforcing tithes!

:thumbsup:

[Straight Shooter]

52. dupe

Okay, secret service, knock it off! :P

[Capn Sunshine]

53. I was hoping this involved kissing your lesbo ass

But I'm game.

We need to put some creative thought into this. We need a falshy name and a front person like Anita Bryant.

[BurtWorm]

56. I think that's brilliant!

We should come up with more wedge-driving referenda like this, ones that would really separate the fascists from Republican girly-men, so to speak.

How about a push to make Southern Baptism the state religion? The Methodists and Mennonites would love that one, I bet.

[David Zephyr]

58. Great Idea.

Put a passage from the Bible in the initiative, too.

[Politicub]

60. I love it!

Why not? We need to figure out how to get this stuff on the ballot here in Georgia.

[BurtWorm]

62. How about referenda to make onanism a capital crime?

Only in red states, of course. :evilgrin:

[trogdor]

68. Every sperm is sacred.

Every sperm is great.
When a sperm is wasted.
God gets quite irate.

[BurtWorm]

70. Hail mary!

:thumbsup:

[Hephaistos]

79. You really want to wedge fundies from rw libertarians?

Propose outlawing porn.

[Kadie]

66. Great idea! n/t

[Stephanie]

67. I propose that if they want to legislate on "lifestyles" > >

That we should pass a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw obesity. If you want to hit the red states that would do it. Let them fight for their right to all-you-can-eat buffets. Right back at 'em.

[Marthe48]

74. My daughter's boyfriend got a big surprise

The wording in the Ohio ballot affects all live-in relationships, not just same sex. He found out after the vote that their current relationship bars them from benefits, life choices and so on. He's a Republican, but we may someday bring him over from thr dark side. :)
I like the idea of proposing a divorce ban to twist it all back on the rednecks in this state.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

80. Yes it is a great example of how one votes against their own interests

[seabeyond]

76. and shell fish. that has got to be outlawed.

if homosexuality, then divorce and shellfish too have to be outlawed. yes yes........excellent idea. yes

[JI7]

78. great idea, i agree

[Robert Oak]

81. adultery is a crime punishable by execution n/t

They are just hypocrites this one would nail em.

[Pobeka]

83. NSMA, This is a home run.

Every sword has two edges, you found the other one on the gay marriage sword.

[Flammable Materials]

84. Make divorce, adultery, and GLUTTONY capital offenses! n/t