People who could care less about "the speech" sign in.

[LoZoccolo]

I really don't care about this speech that Dean made that people are getting all worried about. So the guy was getting a demoralized crowd hyped - whoopty-doo. I come in here and overnight, Democratic Underground has turned into the panel from American Idol or Queer Eye for the Straight Guy* or some other show where less-important-than-politics topics are made the focus over how they think this might look to someone else who doesn't know better.

So people, make me feel better about this place. You don't have to be a Dean supporter - just someone who thinks this meme is just plain stupid.

And when I say "people who could care less about 'the speech'", I mean "people who could care less about 'the speech'".

* And don't try to make this into an anti-gay post because I mentioned that show. Give me another show where there's a fair amount of comic insult over someone's appearance and it would fit right into this list as well.

[Disandra]

1. I'm checking in. n/t

[wysimdnwyg]

2. Yep

I'm one of you.

[lefty_mcduff]

3. Couldn't care less.

This pile on Dean stuff is actually quite disturbing.

[Jim Sagle]

4. I actually liked the speech.

[killbotfactory]

5. It's all spin...

Dean was smiling and having a good time, but the pundits are describing him as 'hitleresque'. I hate the media.

[dae]

6. Saw the speech and what's the big deal? Dean was just trying to keep

his people pumped up. Go Dean, GO DEMS!
:dem:

[Turkw]

26. Agreed, much ado about nothing- the speech was fine nt

[Hoppin_Mad]

7. I just watched it again - it was AOK !

[pnziii]

8. Truman was a lousy speaker also

The media hated him, I think he was the best President we had. It's called looking at the guys record not whether he's pretty to look at.

[a_random_joel]

9. The good news and the bad news...

The good news: is that there is "no such thing as bad publicity." Dean's face is plastered all over the news. His name is out there. It plays bad now, but 3 months from now?

The bad news: is that I am a Dean supporter, and it did get to me. I don't think it was as bad as some make it sound, but I do not think it was the best course of action he could have taken. And I want someone who 9 times out of 10 takes the best course of action. After all the media talk about Dean being out of control - even b4 last night - this was the last thing he needed to do.

The good news: Bush's SOTU will be in play tonight, and probably erase this from the news cycle this week.

The bad news: This is on tape. If Dean gets the nomination, RoveCO will use this in ads relentlessly in the GE.

The good news: In some ways this still plays out well for Dean, as the "maverick, the outsider, the one who does things differently." If this plays out in appealing to the 50% who do NOT regularly vote, just because he is so "different," then that may be a good thing.

The bad news: He lost Iowa. Yeah, he's got a ticket to NH. Yeah he's got money, backing and good organization. But there is no putting a happy face that he got his ass handed to him by Kerry and Edwards last night.

I am not done supporting Dr. Dean... yet. But I am taking a second good, long look at Mr. Kerry.

[TLM]

10. Remember this simple fact... no matter how Dean spoke or what he said...

the same people would be attacking him. Had he been calm and subdued, they'd be attacking saying it proved he is beaten and the fire has burnt out.

If he was neutral and neither loud nor meek, they would be saying Dean is lost and doesn't know where to go from here... we'd hear that the punch drunk Dean doesn't know who to be now. Etc.


No matter what Dean says or does he will be attacked by the DC insiders and those who support them. Because it has nothing to do with Dean, who he is, what he says or how he says it. This is about the DC insiders and power elite trying to maintain their hold on power by shutting out the one guy who represent real change. This is about them keeping the power in their hands and out of your hands.

So the attacks will come regardless of anything Dean does. They want us to get in a mind set of thinking that if we just do the right thing or say the right thing in the right way, somehow the attacks will stop.

They won't. Dean will be attacked for everything he says or does for as long as he represents giving power over the system back to the people and not the special interests and DC elite power brokers.

[pnziii]

12. Hear, Hear

Kerry and Edwards had their chance to stand up to Bush about the war when it went to a vote. Bith didn't say a word against it. They both also voted for the Patriot Act.

When they had a chance to stand up and be counted they didn't
THAT'S A FACT!

[el_gato]

11. I'm in the dark

what did he say that was so bad, assuming that this is something other than just another media smear campaign. (which I think it probably is)

[ramapo]

14. It's not what he said

He didn't really say anything. It was all in the presentation, so you have to watch the tape.

Dean was just a bit, well manic. He didn't come across well. I like Dean and found it troublesome, especially following Edwards.

[LoZoccolo]

15. Do do a do, don't do a don't.

And when I say "people who could care less about 'the speech'", I mean "people who could care less about 'the speech'".

[GalleryGod]

16. Thanks for joining my I.L.

:nopity:

[a_random_joel]

22. Ummm

Isn't posting a thread about "people who could care less about 'the speech'"...

...isn't that kinda like, ahem, caring about the speech?

[question everything]

18. I think that it is not so much of "what" but the "how"

He clearly was hyper, saying that he was going forward: to N.H., to SC., to NM.. etc and to Washington to the White House.

True, until recently Iowa was going to be Gephardt, or perhaps Kerry and Liberman and, yes, until recently a 3rd place would have been great for Dean. But he did move forward and until just a few weeks ago he was going to be first or a close second.

I did not hear anyone saying that it was "hytleresque" and I think that this is stupid and really aimed at insulting him and his supporters. But it may send the message that Dean is deluding himself and his supporters; that he does not know how to judge a situation. There is nothing wrong with a setback; but, as Joe klein said in last week Time - he will be judged by how he handles defeat. Dean could have said the same thing but without appearing hysteric, almost.

[LuminousX]

13. Here

[cthrumatrix]

17. let them spin when the media turns on them - NH is our first primary

and we have a field that is getting thinner by the week.

[beyurslf]

19. I would love to check in but I just can't.

I have seen the video and even more heard the clip. The video makes it a little better because you can see what he is trying to do... but the audio clip... oh my god. He sounds like a raging lunatic not someone who is running for President.

I can already see the commercials in October with photos of Dean looking bad (think red faced and angry) with this audio being heard over it. Bad bad bad.

[LoZoccolo]

20. Then why did you?

There are a few other threads where you can express this sentiment.

This one is not for that.

[LoZoccolo]

21. That was a rhetorical question...

...by the way.

[Snivi Yllom]

23. it aint over

Dean took the worst attacks the media and his opponents could give. Slightly bruised yes, ready to bounce back, you bet.

[dawn]

24. Me!

Dean is not my first choice, but I think the media is unfairly jumping on Dean for this speech. My husband and I watched it, and while he did seem a bit over-zealous, we just thought he was fired up. Then we turned to MSNBC and saw that SOB Chris Matthews call him a "nutjob."

The media has been after Dean for months. They propped him up, virtually declared him the nominee before any votes were cast, and are now tearing him down.

Actions like this by the media is why I changed my major from journalism to English Lit. when I was in college. I didn't want to be a part of any corporate-sponsored mudslinging.

I still think Dean is a very viable and formidable candidate.

[el_gato]

25. I just watched it and I don't see anything remarkable, just a stump speech

I always find it amazing how people will go around
repeating whatever the media tells them too

What the hell was he supposed to say?

what a joke, just like the al gore smears

[bigwillq]

27. I feel you

It was no big deal. It just showed how passionate Dean is about changing and improving our country. I love that man. Go Dean

[everdene]

28. Here.

So he was excited. So he yelled. He was in a room full of noisy people who had worked long and hard for him. What did the media expect from him--crying and sulking?

Much ado about nothing in my book.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

29. i couldn't care less

let's see the media cover issues for once