Once and for all: Kerry didn't lose.

[genius]

He could have been Jesus himself and done his best to jump in front of every bullet the U.S. fired at the Iraqis. He could have stopped the world from nuclear destruction and Bush would still be inaugurated tomorrow. I personally witnessed some of the voter fraud. Unlike those who wish to close their eyes to the fraud, I have studied the issue and know that Kerry more than likely won. It's time the Democrats stopped being shills for the Republican Party and wake up to the fact that Kerry won and it didn't matter. No matter who we would have nominated the results would have been no different. The only difference might have been whether the candidate stood up against the voter fraud.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. it dioes not matter who votes, but who counts the votes

Joseph Stalin

[Maine-i-acs]

2. Agreed - there was enough fraud in '04 to make Florida 2000 look -

like an episode of Mister Rogers Neighborhood.

Compare Maine and NH.
Many similar attributes in our citizens, all rivalries aside.
near-Identical exit poll results.
Same methodology of voting: 2/3 optical, 1/3 hand.

DIFFERENCE 1: NH swung drastically toward Bush in actual votes vs. exit polls.

DIFFERENCE 2: NH uses computerized, hackable central tabulators where Maine phones in vote totals by precinct.

COINCEDENCE? NOT.


Are NH residents more likely to lie to pollsters? No way. Are NH residents and ME residents going to react to pollsters differently? Nope.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. I agree on some points.

Further, even if you think Kerry DID lose, I don't think he lost by enough to treat it as though we have to become republicans to win.

[uppityperson]

4. Yup. Thanks for the post.

Prepare to get flamed for speaking what many of us feel is the truth. Here it comes, but not from me.

[MercutioATC]

5. Opinions are like bellybuttons....everybody has one.

Mine differs.

[Skarbrowe]

6. My sentiments exactly.

You could feel it in the air. You could feel it by the people you talked to who had voted for * in 2000 that were going to vote for Kerry "this time". You could feel it and see it at the rallies.. You actually saw it in most polls. You saw in the first two or three exit polls. The win was there. But,

It was done so perfectly. Well, perfectly if you were lucky enough to have no one get in a real challenge or a look at the votes in Ohio. They needed just enough of the popular vote to make it look like a solid win without being too much to be unbelievable. I've got to hand it to the Secretary of States, the ATM programmers and the millions of gullible rascist, homophobic people who all banded together and spat on whatever good this country stood for these past 240 or so years.

WELL DONE!

My personal feeling about Kerry is that he was in such a state of shock that he lost, that psychologically he couldn't come out in public. All afternoon on November 2nd his people were avoiding calling him Mr. President it looked and felt so cleary like he had won the election. Remember Kerry saying at one point during the campaign, "How can I be losing to this idiot"? I'm not sure if those were the exact words, but you get the meaning. I think Kerry finally saw, like Gore did, exactly what he was up against. It must have chilled him to the bone. Skull and bone.

I'm glad he is at least saying "something" now. My view of him long before he won the nomination was that he was a politician who would not forcefully stand for an issue. When I saw him interviewed I came away with the impression that he was much too careful about every word that came out of his mouth. But, he became our only hope. I sent him money, I canvassed, I did what I could.

Now, he has the guts to vote against Condi Rice which everyone knew was a done deal. Unfortunately for him, it's like a little terrier biting at the heels of a Great Dane. The saving grace is that with Barbara Boxer and hopefully a new bunch of little terriers finally packing together, we might, maybe, hopefully, take this Great Dane down.

First we gotta get those damn voting machines out of republican hands and back into the hands of the "people", all the people, where they belong.

[JD Lau]

9. In my mind, every bit of dissent eats away at the illusion

that all's well in Bush's universe.

I was SO relieved this afternoon to read that Kerry had voted no on Rice's confirmation. Like a ray of light coming out of the darkness!

Thanks for your post!

[Larkspur]

7. Yes, he did lose!

He made the election closer than it should have. Kerry screwed up, like I knew he would. He fell into every trap Rove setup for him. Kerry is always BEHIND the times.

[consciousobjector]

8. No, Kerry Won

Kerry,Kerry,Kerry,Kerry,Kerry,Kerry,Kerry,Kerry,Kerry!

[JD Lau]

10. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that Kerry

WON. Read Greg Palast's interview with City Beat...if for no other reason than it will give you some interesting info.

[WI_DEM]

13. but remember

He was electable. People have to say he won or the whole arguement over his being the nominee would blow up in smoke.

[WI_DEM]

11. He may have won the electoral vote but I still think he lost popular vote

The South was strong enough against him to have won the popular vote and I don't think they needed to rig the machines down there. Unlike 2000 when I think that Gore won both popular and electoral vote.

[JD Lau]

12. Another good thread. Thanks for taking your stand and

for speaking out!!!

We will prevail...Hope I'm still alive to see it!

[robbedvoter]

14. Thank you. Important point to keep in mind. If we don't accept the fact

that this was not an election, we'll keep insanely repeating our mistakes.
And watch for outsiders wearing phony caps advancing "Kerry lost" to stir s*. Don't feed them.

[NoPasaran]

15. Once and for all: Kerry did lose

And delusional pity-party threads about how he really did win but the Big Bad Wolf stole it all away from us and the awful MSM won't report on do nothing but demoralize us and disarm us and demobilize us from continuing the work we were doing last year to save our democracy.