Does Kerry's vote against Condi affect your opinion of him?

[elperromagico]

Poll question: Does Kerry's vote against Condi affect your opinion of him?

[Sandpiper]

1. Too little, too late

n/t

[MercutioATC]

3. Amen

[ClarkUSA]

33. It's a meaningless vote at a meaningless time -- PR move to save face

with the grassroots to build political capital.

When it counted, he wasn't there.

It didn't cost him anything to cast that vote. The payoff is all upside for his image.

And that's why he did it, IMO. I predicted he would do this after Jan. 6. It makes
cold political sense because he knows how pissed-off voters have been at him and this is a way to win some back (remember 2008!).

It was a good political move.

[angrydemocrat]

50. WHINE WHINE WHINE

Your right it doesn't cost him anything to cast a vote. He is paid to do cast them. HMMM Don't you wish you could be instead of being a armchair quaterback that is all talk. Glad to see you think his vote was meaningless. I guess you think the neocon bitch deserves to be SOS. The only thing political about what you said is your repuke talking points. So speak for yourself because you sure as hell don't speak for the majority.

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KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

[lojasmo]

68. I'll wait for the final vote before my opinion changes.

I certainly never want to hear "I voted against her confirmation before I voted for it."

And enough with the personal attacks, angrydemocrat.

[GRLMGC]

4. What? Is he supposed to give up his Senate seat?

He's voting the way he probably would have voted regardless of the bitching and moaning on DU. He's going to continue to vote whatever way he wants to. Too little, too late? I guess he's not supposed to do his job.

[Seabiscuit]

36. I wish he would give up his Senate seat. This has nothing to do with his

vote re: Rice. It has to do with his shoddy performance during his campaign and his failure to adequately distinguish himself from Bush on the most critical issues.

[GRLMGC]

43. Okay

Let's lose a consistent liberal vote. That's grand. Let's fill the Senate up with moderates!

[Pirate Smile]

48. Smart. Let the Republican Governor fill a slot.

:eyes:

and we have so many Democrats that can actually get media attention to promote our point of view, lets just throw one away.

[Sydnie]

51. If you live in Mass then run against him and see how far you get

His seat is safe in Massachusetts. Always will be as long as he wants it. If he never runs for President again, it will be all of our loss, not his. As for me, I do live in Mass and he will be there (not unlike Byrd is in WV) until they call the final code blue on his cold dead body.

[whometense]

58. Right.

If the complainers are from Massachusetts they are free to run against him.

If they're not from Massachusetts they have no say in the matter.

I am from Massachusetts. My vote says he stays where he is - for now.

[AuntiBush]

60. You Gotta Be Super Proud!

I am! Kerry is a man of honor in my eyes, always!

[angrydemocrat]

52. WHINE WHINE WHINE

Repuke talking points all over this board time to call in the exterminators. Of course that is all some people know they are to lazy to find out the truth and facts. Oh well your loss. But you sure as hell don't speak for the majority. So have fun:hi:

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KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

[hippiechick]

71. How nice, when someone disagrees with you

... you call them a whiner and insinuate they're a troll.

That's really some solid and convincing evidence that anyone should support Kerry ... 'because you said so'.

Yeah. That works.

:eyes:

[sallyseven]

67. Oh a purest among us.

do you think that the media would have allowed his speeches honest time??? Do you think they would have allowed the words come out without mucking it up. Grow up.

[genius]

7. You stole the words I was going to use.

[truebrit71]

8. Absolutely agree...

Too bad he found his stones in January of '05 and not last November...

[angrydemocrat]

54. WHINE WHINE WHINE BOO HOO HOO

KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!
http://209.150.59.148:8080/dontphoto/gunther/image/image19.jpg

BTW in case you don't know what John is doing in that picture he is demostrating the world's smallest violin playing "my heart bleeds for you" just for all you whiners. :nopity:

[emulatorloo]

12. P.A.O.J.K.D.N.I.M.

Petty Attacks on John Kerry Do Not Impress Me

Or on other good Dems who are trying to do the right thing.

So sorry he was mean to Condi, if that makes you sad. So sorry that he is not self-flagellating and hiding in a hole if that is what you want him to do

:nopity:

[Ken Burch]

19. Ok, I think better of Kerry for his anti-Condi stance

but why the acronym, emulatortoo?

[zulchzulu]

16. Too simple-minded, too uninformed

That's what you are. You'd spit on your friend if he was there to help you.

[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

21. Hey now, he's not the slobbering apologist

I am.

I also moonlight as a sycophant. John Kerry uses me for an ottoman whenever he's in town.

The work of a servile flatterer is NEVER done.

[Vektor]

23. HAHAHA Speaking of SLOBBERING apologist!

See my post #22.

Bwaaa-haaaa-haaaaaaaaaaa!

[Ken Burch]

39. can we call an end to the slobbering imagery, please?

I don't know any of you people, and here we are sharing cyber fluids.
EWWWWW....

[Vektor]

40. That's about the safest way to do it....

besides....

You jumped in!!!

;-)

[Ken Burch]

62. I jumped into the discussion, not the slobbering.

Anyway, I'll go spray Lysol on my keyboard now and hope for the best.

[zulchzulu]

26. You're just pissed that you couldn't trash Kerry if he voted for Condi

You were twitching with cross-eyed joy at the chance to childishly attack Kerry like a little sycophant.

[Sandpiper]

32. Sycophant?

sycophant: : a servile self-seeking flatterer

No, that would be you.

[LittleClarkie]

34. No! It's me! It's MEEEE!

You better not be moving in on my action, Zulu. Back off skag! He's mine!

[angrydemocrat]

45. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

http://209.150.59.148:8080/dontphoto/young/image/image8.jpg

[LittleClarkie]

28. Too lazy, too think... up something better to say

I disagree with the sentiment. But it would be more easy to take if they hadn't picked up a phrase that reminds me of "flip flopper" and every other stupid mindless phrase we had to listen to this election season.

Geez, could they at least put some thought and effort into their opposition of the guy. We're democrats, we can do better.

[angrydemocrat]

46. Speak For Yourself Because You Sure As Hell Don't Speak ..

For the majority of DU'ers.

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KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

[rachelbirds]

2. no way

it's self serving! He couldn't vote yes if he ever wanted to run for anything ever again!! The I voted for then voted against killed in the campaign.

[uppityperson]

5. No. Kerry is a very good senator and acts as such.

I respect him very much for that. And really really appreciate his continuing to take stands.
(now the "but) I still am bummed at the election aftermath, so no change overall in my opinion of him.

[noamnety]

6. respected him before

respect him still.

Nothing's changed here. I'm just standing by, watching the people who are looking for excuses to be pissed that he voted the way they wanted.

[Blue_In_AK]

9. No change. I have a high opinion of Kerry

now, yesterday and into the future.

[MsTryska]

10. "improved it" isn't a good choice of words....

made me love him just that little bit more, is more like it.


i don't care what anyone else says - i'm got a huge huge kerry crush.

[stray cat]

11. I supported him before and support him now.

I will continue to do so.

[cestpaspossible]

13. Kinda vague. You can't tell from the poll

whether the 'unchanged' minds are pro or anti Kerry.

[Osamasux]

14. He did the right thing and I am glad he did.

There's no way in hell she is qualified for this post. there are many others who are qualified. It was a tough vote and I am proud to support him in his action.

Given the chance he earned, he would have made a great president.

[LSdemocrat]

15. Two thoughts:

1. Why didn't he do this sort of thing before the election?
2. He better keep this up.

[sundog]

18. Absolutely yes... It settles a lot of inner turbulence I have felt...

over him the past few months.

[Used and Abused]

20. it increases the wishy washy vibe

I can no longer trust the motivations behind his actions. I think he acts in a way that he thinks will put him in favor at a later point. I'd prefer if he just followed his own set of beliefs and convictions. That means more to me.

[Vektor]

22. I had a high opinion of him before...

But now he deserves a Lewinsky.
Stand back, I can handle this.

[xchrom]

24. hey -- i thought that was my job?!?

[Vektor]

25. There's more than enough

to go around!! :-)
I have no problem sharing...

[Pirate Smile]

49. LMAO! Vektor, as usual, you are out of control!

I like it!:toast:

[FreeStateDemocrat]

27. Good start on a four year job performance evaluation.

[msgadget]

35. Yep,

he was tried and convicted by his voting record during the campaign.

[DaveinMD]

29. No-I liked him before, I still like him

Votes on cabinet appointments mean nothing to me.

[nevergiveup]

30. Kerry is a good guy

and I expected him to vote "nay". Unfortunately his personality is not one that connects with the average "Joe". Ohio should have been a landslide for Kerry as well as Iowa, Nevada, and New Mexico. It is as much our fault as his and it is certainly time to stop crying over Ohio......it is over, over, over, over, over and we look like sore losers and pitiful wimps. It may be that Bush stole Ohio but it is history and the only thing we can do at this point is to make sure it never happens again. We certainly did not learn last time. We all know GW was never elected in 2000 and he took office and became possibly the worse president in our history and the Republicans still out maneuvered us. We couldn't "bring home the bacon" even though the general public was starving. We need election reform that focuses on making it as easy for poor people to vote as the middle class and wealthy....only then will we have truly democratic voting. We should be pressuring all of Reps and Senators for such legislation.
In politics "what goes around, comes around" and it is time for the "coming around" to begin and I can't think of a better place than Pennsylvania. Our energies now should be focused on removing this hateful man from the United States Senate.

[CTLawGuy]

31. yes, for the better

I hope it is a sign of a change of philosophy for the better in Kerry.

[Jack_DeLeon]

37. No, its all political...

Kerry is just doing it because he thinks it will benefit him somehow politically.

Just like when he voted for the IWR, he did so because he thought it would benefit him politically.

[AgadorSparticus]

38. my sentiments too. though i am glad he voted no, i think it was done

for saving his career and paving that road to 08.

[Sydnie]

47. What would have benefited him politically right this moment would have

been to vote for her not against her. He will now be the sparing partner for every lamebrained rep in the Senate. He will be 'expected" to throw up road blocks even when they aren't necessary.

He plain said he was "voting his gut" -- because that is the kind of man he is. His integrity is in tact.

Time to evoke the "Monty Phython Theory of Politics" ladies and gentlemen -- Always look on the bright side of life.

[Clarkie1]

41. The problem is I suspect it was done for politics, not convictions n/t

[imenja]

73. agree. he played to the cameras

He used his question time for speeches, not entirely coherent ones at that. Boxer did her job, as did Dodd. I'm very disappointed with Kerry. I believe he does most everything for his own political advantage. If Boxer hadn't been voting no, I don't think Kerry would have. I'm glad for his vote and it improves my view of him a bit, but certainly not enough to support him for the Democratic nomination in 2008.

[against all enemies]

42. Anti Vietnam War, Anti Condi - Anti Bush. He's alright with me, we

(Democrats) choose him to be our candidate. He was exactly what he has always been. Why do we blame him? If you pick a slow runner to run a race and he loses, would you blame the runner? Pick a better runner next time.

[marcologico]

44. memo to Kerry bashers:

You say he did it for political reasons. Guess what, that's what we elect politicians to do--represent us. How are Dean or Clark representing us? What election legislation have they proposed or even mentioned? Do either of them have a campaign going to remove Rumsfeld? Have either of them been to Iraq lately? Ever?

You say he's laying the groundwork for a '08 rerun. And Dean and Clark AREN'T? They're doing nothing else!

Folks, DEAN AND CLARK DON'T HAVE REAL JOBS! THEY ARE FULL-TIME CANDIDATES!! Every single public appearance they make or fundraising letter they send is part of their '08 campaign!

Last point: has Kerry sent a single fund-raising letter since the campaign ended? No.

Has Dean sent a single letter that wasn't a pitch? You know the answer: NO.

Just thought you might like to know.

[gordianot]

53. No change. I still support John Kerry.

Someday we may learn the complete story.

[angrydemocrat]

55. My Opinion Will Never Change! I Love Him As Much Now As I Did Before!

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[Neshanic]

56. Oh yes. His vote him knowing it was counted was very inspirational.

[yellowdawgdem]

57. Sure, I think better of him

not that I ever thought badly of him. But I thought it was a protective gesture, not wanting Boxer to be marginalized as the only nay vote. Regardless of his motivation, I was raised that actions speak louder than words, and his action was impeccable. I also think that by Kerry joining in the nays, that next time somebody else might decide to go in on it. And gradually they might get bigger groups of dems voting nay - iow, I guess I am still hoping they can grow some cajones.
Regarding the election,I really wish that Kerry had held out on that concession speech longer. I appreciate Gore's having done so, but there are no doubt reasons that we aren't privy to, including pressure, and threats from repubs. I understand that these tactics were effective in getting most of the senators to back down from joining Boxer in the Ohio electoral stand down. Maybe we are being too idealistic, and should look at each small gesture of resistance as our strength.

[LSK]

59. as much as I like him, he still voted for IWR

No matter how many times someone explained this to me, I was never happy about it. I understand he knows better now, but he should have known better then.

[Sydnie]

61. It's called DIPLOMACY -- don't you get it?

He thought they were all adults there. He thought (and if you read his hour long floor speech before his vote I shouldn't have to repeat this) that he made it clear that he was voting for BACKBONE not for WAR! He was voting to give the authority once everything else had been exhausted. Bush took that vote as a MANDATE (see a pattern here) and ran with it. Bush is the unstable one here, the untrustworthy one here, the maniac here,... not Kerry. Kerry was very clear on his intentions with his vote.

Just as many of the dems voted to confirm Rice even though they had strong reservations (hummmm - Bidden and Dodd come to mind), they were allowing Bush to sink or float his own ship. It is "tradition" and if Kerry were looking to do the politically expedient thing, that's how he would have voted too. Did you even listen to what Kerry said during those two days of hearings? Did you hear what he said before he voted? Or were you just waiting to see what color smoke rose from the chimney (as in, how he voted)?

A man's a man who looks a man -- right between the eyes. That is what Kerry did with that vote. He looked Bush right in the eyes and said "Not this time buddy ... fool me once , shame on you ... fool me twice, shame on me ... and I won't humbly do your dirty work this time, in the name of tradition."

Stop crying in your cups for goodness sakes. Show a little back bone ... you certainly are expecting no less from Kerry. Now begin to expect that from yourself too. We are on the upside now. If we stop trying to tear each other apart, we could really make some changes happen. Rome wasn't built, nor did it fall, in one day or with one action. It took many, many actions to make both happen.

[LittleClarkie]

72. People have gotten around Boxer's Patriot Act vote

Hopefully, if he proceeds as one of the leaders of the party, which some in the media have said is his defacto position at the moment, perhaps that vote of Kerry's will be counterbalanced by other, better things.

Like the children's health care legislation he's about to submit on Monday, for one. Can't wait to see the legislation that some of us co-sponsored, btw.

I still think it's folly to judge these folks on a vote for or against one thing. I'd hate to see Boxer's support wan immediately after she votes for something some don't like. I'm personally not getting on that rollercoaster. People like Kerry and Boxer are better than their votes for IWR or the Patriot Act.

I try to remember what was going on when these things happened. Several of us had to wake up to just how evil these people are, evil enough to play poltical games with very, very serious stuff.

On my site, I have the IWR speech that Kerry made if you'd like to read it.

[Miami Liberal]

63. Nope, respected him before and still do

Great photos of him on this thread, btw. :thumbsup:

[Obviousman]

64. Only after he lost did he finally stand up and learn what he should ...

have done

[Zhade]

65. Yes. He earned a point with me.

I'm no fan of Kerry, as many know, but I must give credit where credit is due. He voted against that lying traitor, and that is vital.

[Name removed]

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[sallyseven]

69. Kiss my sweet Irish Massachusetts ass.

Shut your mouths. You don't know Kerry and you just want to complain. Where the hell were you during the campaign. I was in the trenches and I still love Kerry,. He would be a president not a bobble head like bush. The man is insane and yet people voted for him. The good american people who would rather be bigots, haters of people of different ideas. I think the average american is nuts and obnoxious.

[robbedvoter]

70. I voted yes. It was a good vote. Of course, legitimizing the steal

remains too huge to be undone by one courageous act, but I always give credit where it's due.