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Obviousman Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:21 PM
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Would we really open the door for a 3rd Bush term?!
Here's the long shot of the year: Congressional Democrats will OK a constitutional amendment allowing naturalized citizens like California Gov. Arnold Schwarzen egger to run for president if Republicans help kill the 22nd Amendment barring third terms, thus clearing the way for another bid by Bill Clinton and, presumably, President Bush. Right now it's the talk among political strategists, but look for it to spread on Capitol Hill when Sen. Orrin Hatch reintroduces his plan to let naturalized citizens run for president after 20 years.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/050131/whispers/31whisplead.htm

Are we really this dumb? Losing to him twice was bad enough. And if you think we would have another shot in 4 years, keep inn mind that the party is so inept that they are considering letting him run again. If they do that, how could they possibly beat him?! Arrgh, I'm mad!
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49jim Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:27 PM
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1. Just remember that if they kill
the 22nd amendment, it opens the door for Bill clinton!
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:29 PM
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2. If Bush has a "President for Life" thing in mind if this passes, why would
he let silly things like "votes" and "the people" get in his way?
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:31 PM
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3. Not even Bill Clinton is a match for electro-frauding
We would end up with another 2% "mandate" for a third Moron term. And if you think Junior made a big deal of his "political capital" for an alleged "re-election", just imagine the hype by the whore media if he allegedly defeated the man they built their careers on hating.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:39 AM
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26. You ain't kidding DIEbold
and the other "christian" reconstructionist "voting" machine companies will force us to live with el chimpo until he dies or there is a massive uprising.
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:26 AM
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32. You've got that right!
Hell! FDR himself couldn't defeat the racket that is our current electoral system.
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Obviousman Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:32 PM
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4. Yeah, but I want to move forward
Clinton was a good guy, but shouldnt we find someone else. PLUS how can we trust Republicans to honor their end of the deal?
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:35 AM
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33. Not worth the risk.
Bushit is intent on becoming a permanent dictator, and with the 22nd out of the way, he will have no problem stealing every election until he dies. We do not have elections any more, and our only small protection is that our Pres is forced out after 2 terms. It is small protection because there's a long line of neocons behind him, but we can't afford to install Bushit for life.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:51 PM
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5. His Health Won't Last
I'm all for impeaching the shrub but I really doubt that his health will last past the mid-term elections. Sure, they could prop him up with drugs but even in the unlikely event that the amendment were ratified in time, there's no way he'd survive a third campaign, despite Air Force One's many amenities.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:22 AM
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18. What's wrong with Bush's health...
...I know the man is pure evil, rotten to the core and a heartless wanker--but I didn't know he had health issues.

What are his health issue?

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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:15 AM
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24. Oatmeal Answers As Press Conferences
Haven't you been following the speculation of his health? Remember the pretzel-choking incident? Supposedly, he almost died from a stroke, not a pretzel.

Indeed, for quite some time, word has leaked from 1600 that the shrub is under constant medical care and that one of the reasons he holds so few press conferences is that he has to rest up and drug up for days.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 03:51 PM
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35. Interesting about this health...
I have followed some of the stuff about this health, including the pretzel incident and his most recent facial abrasions. The man seems to fall down a lot.

I just thought he was into the sauce again. :)

Seriously though...I guess his vigorous campaign schedule and other public appearances hide any health issues.

I also remember reading that he opted out of his physical, prior to the election. Supposedly, this was unprecedented for a presidential candidate, to avoid his physical prior to re-election. His people said he would get the physical after the election. Did he ever get his physical?

I thought Cheney looked horrible at the inauguration. He looked like he was having trouble breathing.

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:58 PM
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6. If they throw out the 22nd amendment, we run Clinton again.
He'd whip Bush's ass any day of the week.

I don't agree with a lot of what Clinton's policies, but he'd be amazing compared to the curent regime.

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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:04 PM
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7. I've always hated the 22nd
Let the people decide term limits - we don't apply them to anyone else, why the President? It was a vengeance move by Republicans after FDR was elected four times.

Given the precedence of the two-term President, I don't see many people being re-elected for a third term, barring extraordinary events.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:10 PM
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8. I disagree
I believe that all offices should have term limits.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:49 PM
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9. I like the Jed Bartlett line…
"We have 'term limits' in this country; they're called 'elections'."

That said, I'd shudder to think of a third term for * and would much rather keep everything as it is.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:46 AM
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22. I agree with Jed Bartlett for all offices except POTUS
The President has SO much power that term limits are necessary.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:47 AM
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23. FDR broke the precedent, if the ammendment were gone
Presidents would be incumbents until they were unseated or served so many terms that they finally got tired of it.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:02 PM
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10. and who exactly are these "political strategists"
who are talking about this? A bunch of drunk interns in a capitol hill bar, no doubt.

This started as a newsmax story (someone posted it yesterday). Shame on US News for repeating such preposterous drivel.


:eyes:
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:05 PM
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11. Clinton's not that healthy
to run for a 3rd term. What did he have, a quaduraple bypass? I am not sure his ticker could survive another 4 years. Much less the field day much of the press will have with him.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:08 PM
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12. Being president would probably give him the energy to survive
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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:23 PM
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14. Clinton should run as GOP next time....he fits in better there!
eom
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:10 PM
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13. How long would it take to pass an amendment?
When would it take effect?

Could it get passed in time for the 2008 election?

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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:44 AM
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21. Absolutely no way
It has to go to the states and we have discussed this before. The 'best' we could expect is 2012. No way is Bill running again. He is not that healthy, the country is in a different place than in 1996 and its time for someone else. I'm all for 'term limits'...remember this is the same country that made Arnould the Governor of CA & Bushit Prez twice. This country is not very bright. We could never win against Arnould.....the are voting for the terminator not a prez
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:26 PM
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37. I really didn't ask it as a question...
more as a statement that it wouldn't do them any good to pass the amendment because it would take too long.

But that also doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything to stop it so that it takes forever to pass if it gets any steam.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:37 PM
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38. Democrats want it also
Who is the Dem Governor (female) from Canada? She is silly with excitment over the future possibility she could run for one of the 2 top offices.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:37 PM
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15. Rapture me now god!!!! Aaaaaahhhhhhhh!
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DreamsBoul Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:39 PM
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16. They'll never pass it
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:09 AM
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17. I agree. nt
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:31 AM
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19. No chance; (Bill) Clinton would rout him anyway, BBV be damned
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 12:31 AM by ThorsHammer
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:42 AM
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20. Clinton would eat Bush alive, I'm worried bout his heart condition
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 12:45 AM by Hippo_Tron
Black box voting couldn't steel that election because Clinton can compete in so many more states than Kerry could, not all of which have diebold machines or would even be close enough to rig. Clinton could easily take the Gore states + New Hampshire + Arkansas and just squeak by even if they were to take Ohio and Florida with BBV.
But I don't think that the 22nd ammendment is going anywhere. POTUS is the one office that I support term limits for, as does most of the country.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:20 AM
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25. I Am Not Convinced Bush Could Win A Third Term Or Clinton Can Win
A Third Term Either...


I just don't think in Clinton's case Americans went to go back to the past no matter how great it was...


And I don't think Chimpy can win a third term because by 2008 his fecklessness will have become manifest for all to see...
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:49 AM
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27. If we don't get it together we'll have another Bush term anyway:
JEB.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:50 AM
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28. two terms is enough....the presidency isn't about a person...
...it's about a party putting forward it's ideas and ideals. I think I'd rather not have a third Clinton, or a third Bush. Or is that a fourth Bush now?
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:53 AM
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29. If the Democrats are that desparate to run Clinton again...
then we're in bigger trouble than I thought. We've got to move forward, not backwards.
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Charon Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:11 AM
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30. Third Term
I doubt that either Clinton or Bush have sufficient stature to win a third term, even if it were Consitutional.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:20 AM
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31. Military state will happen and create the new King, our King Chimpy.
Who needs to over turn an amendment when you can invoke a Military State.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:30 AM
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34. after all the energy bill and hillary are using
to try to derail the will of the grassroots (which includes dean), i don't think either of them have the best interest of the core democratic party principles at heart.

i have worshipped the ground they walked on in the past. that is over.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 03:53 PM
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36. Constitution - a quaint relic. No amendment needed - God may tell W
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 03:53 PM by robbedvoter
he is needed - who's to argue with that? Voters?

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Wrinkle_In_Time Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:54 PM
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39. Bollocks.
I started writing a response about just how weak this argument is and the futility of raising it, before I realised that the word in my subject encapsulates it perfectly.

IMO: This is a load of wank. Please leave it alone. There are many more substantial issues to deal with.
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