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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:17 PM
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On media silence regarding "Gannon"
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 05:31 PM by chookie
It's downright eerie how not only the mainstream media, but the religious right watchdogs (Dobson, Robertson, Falwell, Santorum, etc) are refusing to cover this story.

I had been thinking along the lines that they were embarassed that they had played along with the narrative that he was being victimized by lefties ONLY because he was a Bush supporter -- and now that all this vile stuff about him has come out, they are embarassed and fear greatly they will lose credibility for having helped him cloak his sins, by not questioning him to closely.

But now I am wondering if they actually know more about this than we give them credit for. Just as "everybody knew" JFK was a womanizer, but never wrote about it, maybe now "everybody knows" that stuff like this is going on, and realize all too acutely that it is going to lead in a very creepy direction right into the WH, but fearing repercussions, and rightly so, from this extremely vindictive and secretive administration, which routinely sets out to assassinate the characters of decent people -- they will not initiate the investigation. I think eventually the whole story will come out, and the main stream media will be forced to cover it. It may be "common knowledge" that a certain member of the WH staff has a taste for such "companionship", but quite understandly, no one wants to go there, at least in the MSM. It doesn't explain why Moral Warriors like Robertson and Dobson are refusing to discuss it, however -- although it is plain that they are so hypocritical, they will ignore an actual skank with access to the President, rather than "embarass" their beloved utterly moral and righteous Christian War President. Bizarre....

There have been postings here and elsewhere defending "Gannon" because he is "gay." I personally do not think of Mr "Gannon" as "gay" -- I think that's a stretch. "Gannon" participated in acts of rough domination sex with members of the same sex for a fee, advertising himself using hard core photos of himself on the internet -- which is NOT the same thing as being "gay". I think he and his clients are so screwed up and hypocritically out of touch with themselves that they wouldn't consider themselves "gay" either. It may be that they just see it as getting a good shagging from a rough buff guy, experiences which are utterly hermetically seal from the rest of their conscious lives. Indeed, it may be more about POWER than about "same sex" -- that seems to be the psychosocial dimension of it. And you simply can't beat a 200 lb muscular Marine tough guy if your sexuality revolves around power, if "power" is what you need for sexual gratification, which, I think, transcends the boundaries of homo/heterosexuality.

Who would his clients have been? Who in the DC area has associations with military things, is attracted to "manly" things, and can afford $1200 to spend on a shagging? Seems kinda obvious. I bet "Gannon" met all sorts of interesting people in his trade. Although "Gannon" may not have quite so deliberately had a plan to infiltrate and rise within the DC power structure, he might have discovered so somewhat inadvertently. It is not at all unusual for people to gain access by using sex -- it's been happening for many centuries. It sure isn't unusual for someone to gain access by cultivating "relations" with men who must keep their sexuality a secret. Boy, is it ever a security risk, but it seems that the sort of people who are into powersexuality just can't resist, and lead extremely risky lives to get it.

I think "Gannon"''s career was half-enabled, but also half-blackmail, with a person or persons deep within the power structure. And the reason the MSM doesn't want to touch this one is because they kinda know already who they are, and really are afraid to bring this stuff to light. I think they know it can bring this adminstration down. The Moral Warriors of the religious right understand this too but, unlike Clinton, they simply don't want to remove Bush and Cheney from office.



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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:19 PM
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1. Interesting post.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this part:

Indeed, it may be more about POWER than about "same sex" -- that seems to be the psychosocial dimension of it.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:27 PM
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2. Thank you for saying Gannon is probably not gay.
I think he and his clients are so screwed up and hypocritically out of touch with themselves that they wouldn't consider themselves "gay" either. It may be that they just see it as getting a good shagging from a rough buff guy. Indeed, it may be more about POWER than about "same sex."

I agree whole-heartedly! This is about dominance and hyper-masculinity. Just as rape isn't about sex, I don't think Gannon's gig is about sexuality.

About the media silence, I think all points come into play: media complicity, avenues of power, and hand-wringing by the left. Gannon wasn't created in a vacuum, and neither were these points. Indeed, all play off each other in a sad societal dance of dominance and submission.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:49 PM
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10. The power to buy one who has the power to control you
It's a weird symbiosis.

They sought out "Bulldog" because he had the physical power to "control" or overcome them, in a ritualized act of rape -- but even so, they retain the upper hand, because **they** have the money(i.e. power) to purchase it from him.

Another reason "Gannon" may have chosen to go silent now, when just a week ago he was lying all over the place, trying against all hopelessness to persuade people he was an innocent victim of the lefties, because he was a Christian and a conservative, etc etc -- while it MAY be because his lawyer told him, gee, JD, that's obviously you in those skanky photos -- BUT one of those Powerful Guys who can afford $1200 for a shag and whose tastes run to domination style ritual rape got the word to him that he better keep his mouth shut, or they will kill him.

I think someone on the inside will make an attempt to buy off "Gannon", for example getting him a job elsewhere, IF he promises to be silent on their relations, but, he very well may end up dead to ensure his secrets stay with him.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:43 PM
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14. I think that's what they did with the press corps gig
knowing he would be taken down and neutralized.

Call me cynical :)
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:26 AM
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17. Why do you call Gannon "JD"?
I read it on another post, too.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:33 AM
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18. Your homophobia is showing.
Gay or not, the ACT is same sex. Call it what you will.

And the hypocrisy of performing same sex acts or just being gay or bisexual and then condemning gays is what's wrong with this picture. Not to mention, the BIGGER picture of who outed Plame and what was this guy, gay or not, doing in the White House all this time?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:14 AM
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20. I'm talking about how the man self-identifies.
You can't call me homophobic because of that.

And I know the bigger picture. See my post from yesterday, Gannons sexuality is immaterial!

Save your flames. You don't know me.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:31 PM
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3. The hypocracy is incredible
I mean, given that "Gannon" was using military fetishes to sell his services...it tells you all you need to know about what they really are about. It ain't about protecting "Family values". There have been a few (very few) conservative sites to express outrage over this person and incident, but the rest clearly are only whores for W...
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:33 PM
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4. it's all a show -- it's not about morals, values etc..... it's power
and propaganda
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:37 PM
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5. "Gay" is a red herring
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 05:40 PM by Spiffarino
It's about the access a fake journalist - and now we find out, a male prostitute - had to the power elite in this country.

It's extremely important to kick this up. To hell with anybody who cries out about hating gays, especially those of you on our side. This story has nothing to do with him being gay except as a means to expose morally compromised, gay-bashing hypocrites.

They wouldn't let go of Clinton until they got the blue dress. It will take the same amount of tenacity and hard work if we are to save our country from these people; people who claim to be moral while schtupping male prostitutes and wiping their asses on the Constitution.

Edited for clarity
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:18 PM
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13. If Mr "Gannon" had been shown to have a "roommate" --
If it was about him being found out to be "gay" --oh, how boring. If he had a "roommate" or cruised gay bars, again, zzzzzzzz.

But soliciting clients for rough domination sex with a military theme, and publishing hard core photos -- WHEW!! That's something ALL TOGETHER different. I consider that sort of thing "far out" and skanky.

I think if he had been found out to just have a "roommate", and of course, he would have to be a liberal as well -- the Right would be going nuts over this. But they are so rigidly Manichean, seeing everything as "black/white" "good/evil" "on our side/side of the terrorists" -- that mentally they are incapable, being authoritarians, of computing the fact that someone who is a vociferous supporter of President Bush, who is a "serviceman" (which we all must support, right?) and a Christian -- then it is impossible for him to be a shanky ho. It is incomprehensible to them that such a "masculine" man, and a Marine at that -- and mind you, they are against gays, especially in the military -- would have sexual relations with other men.

it's ironic that "Gannon" is such a extraordinarily sexual deviant scuzbag, and none of the Moral Watchdogs (or is that Bulldogs?) are paying him any mind.

I guess its like the old canard about cops would rather eat donuts chase dangerous criminals. They'd rather bust a discreet gay person who has a stable life and relationships, than tackle a person as way out of the mainstream (which they claim they represent) as "Gannon".
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:37 PM
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6. How could you possibly be more insightful?
Every word. One interesting thing that occured to me was the possible deletion of a few words...

>this extremely vindictive and secretive administration, which routinely sets out to assassinate the characters of decent people<

Take our 'the characters of' for a moment and a deeper meaning becomes even more chilling. Note when John Avarosis was breaking all of this he noted on his bog "Several of my friends also have these files. Just saying."

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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:40 PM
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7. Gonnon next on Catherine Crier/ Court TV.
Edited on Wed Feb-16-05 05:42 PM by moobu2
Not Gannon himself, just the guy from America blog will be interviewed etc...
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:41 PM
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8. I don't understand - has there been info suggesting this?
Wasn't he hiding the "service for hire" aspect of his life? On what basis do you suspect his sexual activites got him access to the White House?

Wasn't it enough that he was a shill for Talon -- that alone got him access. I'm guessing no one knew about the other aspects of his life and that Talon and the White House are hugely embarrassed.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 06:02 PM
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12. Historical analogies
As i said in my original post, those who can manage to have sexual relations of a very unusual sort and keep it secret, have been known to gain access to power, through infiltration, and blackmail. Hookers have been used as enemy agents for many centuries. Smart hookers through history use sex to control people, and are not victims

I am not trying to throw dirt on this guy and make things any worse. But as a student of history, and having studied the phenomenon of "court intrigue", I cannot but suspect something of the very same order was taking place here. I take no glee in this; I find it deeply disturbing.

Yes, it is "enough" for me that he was a shill for a faux news organization. But, even so, I have a gut feeling there is a lot more to this.

You are welcome to restrict your interest in this matter to his role as "journalist." I however suspect that there his dual roles as "journalist" and "whore" can't be separated, and that the two not only overlapped in time, but fueled each other. No, I have no direct evidence. But there is "chatter" about certain people. And the same short list of people who keep turning up on all the other short lists.
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:54 AM
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21. Your original post is spot on, chookie
And you make another VERY salient point here;

>>I however suspect that there his dual roles as "journalist" and "whore" can't be separated, and that the two not only overlapped in time, but fueled each other.<<

The fact is, he was NOT a journalist, so what does that leave us with?

You are more right than you might know about those 'with the power to buy those who can control them'.
Straight out of a BDSM instruction manual, if you ask me. The submissive always has the real power (the power to say NO) and chooses to abdicate that power for sexual gratification. Its the very act of submission, and not necessarily the sexual act, that brings gratification.

Far too many Republican office holders have proven themselves to be sexually deviant (by family values standards) for me to overlook the glaring similarities between the Gannon scandal what we know about garden variety 'powersex' afficionados.

Like you, I believe this is the real reason for the access that Gannon enjoyed.

-chef-
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:43 PM
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9. Thanks for posting.
Very insightful...
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 05:58 PM
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11. I doubt Gannon and his clients would identify as Gay
because they are so deep into denial. I agree Gannon may not be, but his clients are bisexual. I'm just sick of libs and out Gays being seen as wrong when these Reps in the closet are seen as upholding family values. Family values are about supporting all families. Providing healthcare, care for the elderly, daycare, and civil rights.

...I'm not disagreeing, I'm just ranting.

I think you are missing one important aspect. MSM is also protecting their own careers. They don't want to be exposed for their tax evasions, DUIs, perjury, attempted rapes, and any sexual exploits beyond what he moral majority prescribes.









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elsiesummers Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:27 AM
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23. You make a good point - MSM is afraid of own skeletons.
Agree that if the WH press corps says Gannon's life should be an open book, they are afraide their own cans of worms will be opened.

On the original post - think you are very much onto something - this thing is huge - unstoppable - Monica's blue dress - or Paula Jones huge, anyway, and everyone knows it.

Also would agree that there have probably been telltale signs of signals or flirtations concerning Gannon.

There is a story here that can really tarnish the WH image - especially since they were always focused on "adults in charge" and "restoring character to WH."

I frankly don't think a reporter being openly gay would amount to a hill of beans. That this guy was an irresponsible phony journalist, with his sex profession background, that is weird enough to make anyone wonder - how do people in the WH know this guy.

This story is huge and will be told; i'ts just the calm before the storm.


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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:57 PM
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15. You nailed it
It's not about "gay", it's not really even about sex.

It's about power.

And very powerful people are buying power over themselves for, well...power.
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 08:49 PM
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16. My god, what will we tell the children? Adults in charge of the WH
doing what "adults" do?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:45 AM
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19. Who is stopping Hillary, Kerry, Dean & Obama from talking about it on TV?
Answer me that one b/f we "blame the media" for everything while ignoring the solutions.

Republicans were not not scared to go on TV everynight & accuse Clinton of god-knows what. They won enough votes to "beat" Gore in 2000 as a result.

Why are we expecting the media to tell us how corrupt they are? Why are we expecting the Fundies to expose Republican hypocrisy???

These should be things that our top DEMS are doing, not the GOP/media.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:04 AM
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22. Same thing that is stopping MSM
Maybe they can talk about it a bit, like advising His Chimperial Majesty to review the protocol of access to the WH press corps.

Again, these members of the government might understand more that they dare let on -- ie their staff whisper inuendos, funny little things they have seen or heard tell, general chatter. But -- to bring the obvious into the open, and ask the obvious questions, when you face such a vicious, ruthless enemy -- If you hope to survive, you are planning carefully about how you must proceed. They fear the inevitable all out character assassination which will inevitably ensue if they draw attention to the 200lb spread-eagle naked man ho sitting in the press corps for two years.

The investigation has already taken a life of its own on -- and is driving it further. When we get it right, it emboldens those who have the most to lose from a brutal confrontation to pursue legal or political measures.

We have gifted them well-researched facts from the ongoing investigations of a thousand eyes and ears -- it's up to them to take it up in the government, and lend their credibility as a law maker to exposing this stuff. Some already have -- Rep Slaughter, Rep Conyers, the journalists as Niagara Fall Reporter -- and it will grow.

The weirdest thing is the total silence from the right -- they are not capable of comprehending that a Bush Loyalist like "Gannon" could ALSO be a skanky whore, so they are ignoring it, and I truly expect them to continue to ignore it because of the peculiar structures of the authoritarian mindset, which perceives only diametrically opposites: good/evil, Bush supporter/traitor, Hetero/Homo, family values/liberals -- so their minds simply can't cope with the notion of a Marine (we support the soldiers who fight for freedom), who absolutely adores Bush and wants to help me out and does so in a vital style -- but whis same guy is a skankin' male ho, buggering other males roughly for pay, $200 a hour to $1200 a weekend, drawn by the obscene photos he posts of himself. And who can afford these prices, and who might be looking for the ultimate powerfucking -- using your cash to buy a 200lb Marine to roughly perform domination sex on you. Gotta wonder.... And while it may involve two men -- I argue its not "gay" -- it's all about power and domination, and you can't get a purer power and domination sex experience in a more pure form than allowing a buff Marine to perform ritual rape upon you. Dig it. I strongly suspect neither participant thinks of it as "gay sex" -- this is rather powerfucking, rare stuff. A powerful man with lots of free cash buys the hard domination sex of a physically powerful Marine. It is hermetically sealed from the rest of their conscious lives. But, relationships between client and skank persist when the skank is a great one, and JG was clearly well rounded enough to gain the confidence of someone to bring into the WH and trust with the role of (discretion and secrecy, of course) but also cutting a striking presence taking the President's positions in public, and chastising his opponents.

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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:01 PM
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25. You are so right and your post got me thinking
about the reactions of some government officials and pundits (you can probably figure out which ones I speak of) to the prison torture/rape scenario - No big deal! Oh boy - I wonder how many "know" Gannon.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 06:12 PM
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26. They are too afraid to tell the truth about Bush media? THATS our excuse?
Too much.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 12:47 PM
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24. I agree with your assessment
100 percent. Just what I've been thinking.
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