Can Dubya and Rove pull off what Hitler and Goebbels did?

[Cyrano]

Think that's a harsh statement? Well then, read these quotes from Joseph Goebbels. (For those too young to know, Goebbels was Hitler's Karl Rove. -- They can be found on Google.)

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

For anyone who has been on another planet for the past four years, these are exactly the techniques (along with others) that the criminal Bush administration has been using.

I always wondered how Hitler got the German people to go along with him. Seeing what's happening in this country today, it's a no-brainer.

So what do we do about it?

[opihimoimoi]

1. This neo con nazi movement has to be curbed else all is lost

The People have to wake up to being scammed.

[rkc3]

2. They've already pulled it off - the question is how do we get it back?

By "it", I mean our country.

[liberal N proud]

5. I agree, it has already been done.

What we need now is a plan to stop them before the world comes knocking on our door.

[ArtVandaley]

16. They haven't "pulled it off"

Yes, they're in control and doing a lot of damage. But to say that theyve brought us to a place that is like that of Nazi Germany is absurd and ignorant.

[rkc3]

24. You're right, my statement is a bit of a hyperbole.

At this point the toilet's been flushed and we're just starting to spin down the pipe. Get a few more guys like Ashcroft/Gonzales, Chertoff and Negroponte in the mix and then we'll really see some changes taking place.

[OneTwentyoNine]

26. Everyday brings us a bit closer though.....

Sure,they haven't gone on a rampage breaking windows in Jews stores and sending them to their death in boxcars. But what have they done?

Everyday your rights are eroded just a little more,look what happened today regarding Class action lawsuits.

They want to extend the Patriot act to where EVERY book you check out at the library is monitored.

We've got phony elections.

We've got phony "terror" elerts to keep citizens wired for War and ready to OK Bush's next invasion.

We're invading countries just for no reason or for Oil like Hitler did.

They've taken over the media,just like Hitler did and use their stations as their personal propoganda tool. Rove IS the propoganda Minister. Or...can you point me to Liberal TV??

The media for the most part is AFRAID to do stories negative of Bush,just like in Nazi Germany.

OK,its not quite Nazi Germany yet but these fuckers have only been in power for four years,what to bet what the next four will bring?

[Cyrano]

27. OneTwentyONine: Well said. Does anyone else in Kansas

see what you do, or are we swirling down the toilet without most people ever understanding what's happening?

[OneTwentyoNine]

34. Kansas isn't 100% Red like they'd want you to believe...

There is also alot of dissent towards Republicans in the opinion line of our local paper which is owned by Knight-Ridder. Dems only make up about 3.5-4% of Kansas voters although we never have much trouble electing a Democrat Governor--we have one in office now after our last Repuke Gov put us over 800 million in debt.

[teakee]

38. Another Kansan here that sees through Bush's crap......

Ryun, Roberts, and 'Senator Sam' make me want to :puke:.

There are many people in Kansas who do not support Bush, the others fell for one of his little 'promises or his fear tactics'; like my ex-husband. He voted for Bush because he claims the kids and got a tax credit. "Bush won't draft those boys." "I know he's stupid, but I got extra money back on my taxes." Statements of why people voted for Bush and Bush also terrorized enough people into thinking only he could keep them safe.

And my favorite statement---"Kerry is a murderer!" (said by schoolchildren coming home after their 'election' at school on Nov. 2nd)

Kansas, "the land of uncommon sense". :shrug;

[CWebster]

3. what do we do about it?

Put the quotes on billboards across the US.

"...repeat them over and over."

[daydreamer]

4. The only consolation is

that Republicans are hurt as well as Democrats.

[Cyrano]

11. Well, I guess it's really going to make us feel better when

we're standing in a shower room waiting for the gas to drop, and the Republican standing next to us is wondering where to find the soap.

[SoCalifer]

6. Also In Comparisons

I would say Afghanistan was Poland and Iraq is France. If you stop and think about it, there's more than one similarity..

[reichstag911]

21. How's this for a similarity?

My handle, reichstag911?

[mattclearing]

7. The problem is that the US isn't bordering on hostile states.

If Iraq or Iran or Syria were where Mexico was, you'd see more of a World War II style scenario.

However, the US's enviable geographic isolation, provided we don't piss off Mexico and Canada beyond belief, guarantees that people will have to cross the world in order to attack us militarily.

That's why the Cuban missile crisis was such a big deal.

Attempting to invade Fortress America is a suckers' game, and everyone knows it.

Expect the counterattack to be financial when it happens. That is the biggest weakness we have.

When nations of the world collectively decide they have had enough of us to risk global financial instability (the world shift towards Euros is a pretty good indicator this is already happening), you will see the dollar implode, the Federal debt become insurmountable, and suddenly we will be stitching sweatshop clothing in rather poetic karmic justice.

Edit:

Another thought occurred to me on this. The fact that we are not being attacked actually makes it less likely that Bush/Rove will be able to keep control of the situation. Germany was being bombed every day. That's pretty good motivation to trust your leaders and want to kick the shit out of the people bombing you.

We don't have that problem, and for terrorists to attack us again would reveal Dubya/Roves failings in security.

They have sorta painted themselves into a corner.

[Cyrano]

8. If the dollar implodes, BushCo will become more dangerous

than they are now. Not only are they war criminals, but they're also the biggest thieves in the history of the world.

Anything that threatens their financial interests could lead to military confrontation, threats and (dare I say it) the launching of nuclear weapons to protect their financial domination of the country's wealth.

Sound crazy? Four years ago, I would have thought that where our country is today would have, not only been unthinkable, but would have sounded insane.

[mattclearing]

9. Nothing sounds crazier than the people on TV.

With our debt, and our dependence on foreign energy, you have to admit it takes balls of steel to try to strongarm the world the way we do.

Only God knows what these people are truly capable of.

[seemslikeadream]

10. With a little help

[Avalux]

13. Eww!

Now THAT is one creepy comparison. Holy crap.

[sendero]

12. Yes..

... but they will eventually suffer the same fate.

[MNAZ]

14. Crazy theories like this is what keeps

the red states red and the blue states blue. This kinda of garbage does not play well in Peoria.

If we are ever going to take make the Congress, we'll going to have to speak to the Bubba's again. Right now, we're not.

[Cats Against Frist]

15. Tell me what "Bubbas" think about Goebbels

Please, enlighten me on how exactly one would get the message to the Republican constituency that they're nothting more to the right-wing, Republican elite than their "army of drones," WITHOUT telling them that they're being propagandized by the elitist philosopher kings who believe that they're dumbasses.

Do I need to get out the Strawberry Shortcake & Spiderman dolls, and have an "act out?"

Can Bubba understand this, or no:

YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED

[Just Me]

19. Corrupt corporatists ARE fascists!! Corrupt corporatists are in charge.

Fascism should produce an emotional reaction.
Fascists are controlling this country!!!

Until that reality is faced, things are going to get progressively worse.

[DemoTex]

22. Consider: The aggressive war against Iraq and rampant corporatism.

Q. What was the heart of the charges against Nazis at the Nuremberg Trial?

A. Count I. Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War

"On October 18, 1945, the opening session of the Nuremberg Trial (also known as the International Military Tribunal) began and on November 20, the indictments were read. Though 24 men stood accused, only 21 were at the trial. (Robert Ley had committed suicide before the trial began; Gustav Krupp was considered too frail to stand trial; and Martin Bormann was missing but tried in absentia.)"

http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa101899.htm

And then there is Mussolini's definition of fascism: "Fascism should more properly be called 'corporatism,' since it is the marriage of government and corporate power." By Il Duce's own measure, we are now wallowing in fascism.

Shhh .. don't tell Peoria.

[Cyrano]

23. MNAZ, welcome to DU. What "crazy theory" are you talking about?

I haven't made up a theory. I've only observed what Bush&Co has been doing to this country over the past four years and compared it to techniques used by one of the worst dictatorships in the history of the world.

If you want to criticize my analogy, be specific. Show me where I'm wrong. And while you're in the process, show me how we can ever win over some dense redneck that you so casually call "Bubba."

Further, if we compromised to the point where we could win over such people, we would no longer be what we (supposedly) stand for.

[montana500]

29. the Bubbas love conspiracy theories

the more black helicopter weiredness we can spin and repeat, the more the Bubbas will come to the middle.

[Cyrano]

30. Unfortunately, "Bubbas" will never come to the middle.

They're more frightened by black people than they are by black helicopters.

The reason that Republicans keep winning the south is because of the Civil Rights Act. When Lyndon Johnson signed it, he said something to the effect that "This will cost us (the Democratic party) the south for generations."

The fact that most of the south has turned Republican has confirmed his prediction/fear/foresight, not to mention his deep understanding of racism.

The Republican party retains power due to RACE and nothing else. Otherwise, why all the (black) voter disenfranchisement in so many states during the past two presidential elections?

But to get back to the point, no "Bubba" will ever change his/her stripes in my lifetime. I only hope some of you live long enough to see it happen.

(On edit: If black people were not systematically disenfranchised in so many states, we would not have another Republican president for decades.)

[Bridget Burke]

37. What do the Bubbas in San Francisco tell you?

I know plenty of Texans who don't think this is crazy.

[mrgorth]

17. The Goerring quote is even better

anyone have it handy?

[despairing optimist]

35. Here it is:

"It is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders. That is easy. All you have to tell them is that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

EDIT: His name is Goering, BTW. Hermann Goering, Field Marshal of the Third Reich. A sort of Rush Limbaugh with class and real talent. He was a flying ace in WWI, war hero, connoisseur of wine and stolen art, and a morphine addict. That trumps oxycontin and a radio show, IMHO.

[rainy]

18. If they stage another attack, or allow another attack on our soil they

then can do whatever they want and the people will go along with it just like Hitler. "All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked...."
You know the rest.

[Cyrano]

25. Unfortunately, most people don't realize we are already under attack.

The attack has been launched by the far right and they've coerced, threatened and bribed "moderate" Republicans to go along with them.

Unfortunately, the definition of a politician is someone who will do ANYTHING to get reelected.

The true threat to any great power in history has rarely been external, but internal. What does that mean? Given a decent government, our democracy could not have been brought down by external forces in the foreseeable future.

But the reality is that we are being destroyed by the current administration. It may take us 10 or 15 years to grasp it, or perhaps we'll see the consequences much, much sooner than that.

Either way, we will either be answering to most of the people who inhabit this planet, or we will be answering questions asked by people who have us in orange suits with hoods over our heads.

[HootieMcBoob]

20. so far so good n/t

[me b zola]

28. kick

eom

[applegrove]

31. Joseph Goebbels requote:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the state can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

[Dr Fate]

32. They already faked a war and two elections.

What more do ya want?

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36. It's easy to pull up their stunts with a corrupt media like we have.

IF we had a REAL media, their antics would not be working at all. We would not be in Iraq, were it not for the corrupt media singing the regime's song.