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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:22 PM
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O.K. who thinks this poll is real?
A new Gallup Poll is out, too. It shows Bush's approval rating steady at 52 percent, with 44 percent disapproving.

Is their no limit to which Rove and company will go to manipulate the
message.

52% support * .......sure and our troops in Iraq are still getting pelted w/ rose petals and sweets.

:nuke:

Of course "they" might have weighted their sample w/ repugs, too.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:23 PM
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1. .....and the WMDs just haven't been found yet.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:27 PM
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2. Once again, Gallup shows its willingness to shove its head
up Karl Rove's ass and just leave it there.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:28 PM
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It tells me the news media is doing a piss poor job
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:28 PM
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3. Hey, where's the ? about actors babysitting my kid?
I did the poll last week and it had weird questions in it. I think Mr.bush's ratings are dropping, you can't believe polls as they can be, and are, manipulated.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:47 PM
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11. That was Zogby
And you are right. Weird poll.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:50 PM
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14. Well hit me upside the head with a fish, you're right. Oh well.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:29 PM
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4. Pure Bushit!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:29 PM
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5. I sure wish * would add some money to the IRS Budget...
...so that their was enough money to hire a few extra auditors, to audit the Gallup Polling Corporation.:mad: They are so full of Crap.:hurts:
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:55 PM
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6. adjust 3-5%, but it's within m.o.e.

Everyone else is measuring Dubya at 48% or 49%, on average. But the other polls show a lot of variation, which means that Bush support is soft and inconsistent over a range of ~7%. Gallup is at the upper end of that range at the moment. Under the circumstances the result you get- Bush support at the high end or the low end of that range- depends on how you bias the question, the incidental demographics, very recent events, and so on.

All the really hardcore polling says the country is divided 45-45, with 10% of Americans actually wavering. Just as it was in January of last year. Not that these polls are utterly useless, but at this point Bush approval polling is really only a measurement of support for his Iraq adventure and/or the 'War on Terror' (whatever that is). Almost everything else (social and economic policy) gets treated as expected (mis)behavior- considered dealt with and settled- by those 10% that change their minds. If you watch that 10% for longer periods, they do give Dubya every benefit of the doubt but do take it away once the facts are clear. The denial or laziness when the facts are muddy and trend is unclear is very marked, though. They really do want things to work out for him and so far they pointedly ignore all the ethical problems. If/when the Middle East business fails they will probably engage on the (un)ethical stuff.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:58 PM
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7. Gallup overweights his polls by throwing 38% to pubbies
when pubbies are typically about 28%-30% of any random sample. He also throws 30% to Independents, which is about right. The remaining 32% laughably underweights Democrats, who are typically up to 40% of a sample.

That's why Gallup's polls are always so ridiculously off target. The man has been caught time and time again weighting the raw numbers heavily toward the GOP, but he's still out there doing it, taking his cue from an administration that thinks they can change fact to fit dogma.

I guess Pox and CNN wouldn't have anything to crow about without Gallup and Rasmussen and maybe Battleground. Otherwise, his polls would be utterly useless to everybody, as they should be.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:11 PM
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8. I like this better. More recent...
...and the numbers make more sense! Approval held at 50%, disapproval increased from 45% to 48%. Gallup is malarkey! :)

ABC News/Washington Post Poll
March 10-13, 2005. N=1,001 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
Fieldwork by TNS. Trend includes polls conducted independently by ABC News and by The Washington Post. LV = likely voters.

.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"
.

Approve Disapprove Unsure
3/10-13/05
50% 48% 3%

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:13 PM
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9. The polls are as high as they are because people are still believing
the crap that Bush is putting our. A friend of mine is convinced that Bush and the war was the right thing and sent me a bunch of sh*t that Sen. Glen spouted off in the Senate and in a news conference.

WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID:


Things that make you think a little........


1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during January.... In the
fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn
country of Iraq


2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state
the following:
a. FDR...led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives
were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea . North Korea
never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,334 per year.
d. John F. Kennedy. ..started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam
never attacked us.
e. Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000
lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton ...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a
platter three times by Sudan and did nothing Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban,crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.


The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It
took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.


We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.


It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy
the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police
after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.


Senator Glen then went to the Senator Glen answered a question by Senator Metzenbaum with a ridiculous speech that you just had to hum the Star Spangled Banner to. The email ended with:

For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an
attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA . Now he's a
Senator!





If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English
thank a Veteran. It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating....

I emailed her back explaining the reason we were in WWII....after waiting 2 years because the public was against going to war....was because after the take over of Paris, the destruction of Poland, and the bombing of London, it became clear that they wanted to take over a continent.

I then explained that Korea and Viet Nam were civil wars.
Bosnia was because the Croatians proved genocide with evidence handed over to our diplomat and the UN followed when they saw the evidence. I would have been against Korea had I been old enough and I was against Viet Nam (if she would remember), I was against Bosnia because the UN already had a few peace keeper there and should have been given the evidence when our diplomat received it.
I had to go through the history of these places and then go on to tell her all about Bush and his plan to take away the disability and Medicare her husband gets and the social security we both are going to rely on.

She had no idea. She said she hadn't see any of this on the news.......DUH!!! It is people like her who are supporting Bush and signing polls they don't understand.

NOW! if they had a poll about which make-up holds up best while your getting your hair dyed and faux nails put on.....that is a poll she knows something about.....she's sweet but not all of the way on the ball.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:22 PM
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10. Me being picky
With the GOP being so convinced that they learned the lessons of Vietnam, how does anybody use 1965-75 as the timeline for battle deaths in Vietnam? The last of the soldiers left in March 1973. Oh, and whatever twit wrote that line of crap doesn't remember December 11, 1941. Anyway, just me being picky :P
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:54 PM
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12. Wow, I had a repuke send me that same thing before the election...
...they must pass that disinformation around. Incidentally regarding WW II, you may have told them to simply read a history book. Germany declared war on the U.S. before we declared war on them. Uh, when someone declares war on you, you usually want to fight back....

And thats just one point on there, but people are so uneducated now-a-days, they don't even know a simple fact about who declared war on who first....amazing.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:56 PM
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13. Senator John Glenn????
It's hard to believe that Senator Glenn who campaigned with Kerry and who was a Democrat said this. He's been out of the Senate for some time so how could he say this on the Senate floor?
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