CNN- Dean Out Of Money After NH?

[KittyWampus]

Reported by Novac

CNN just reported Dean is out of money after NH.

Edwards is in the same boat.

Gephardt's people were ready to jump on board with Edwards, but they would like to be paid.

Clark is doing great in North Dakota.


Rightwing drivel?

[returnable]

1. Details?

I know Dean outspent everyone in Iowa on TV ads, but that was only $3 million or so.

I find it hard to believe he's tapped out.

[ringmastery]

2. How can that be?

Dean supposedly had $20 million in that bank?

Where did the money go?

[AP]

20. To CMB? Think of it from Dean's persepctive: down in the polls in IA. What

are you going to do? Take your lumps? You have no spending limits. You HAVE to win. He's going to spend spend spend. He must have spent a ton.

He was aksing for money in his speech today, so he must need a little.

[windansea]

whoa really??

I know dean is spending a lot but???

[WI_DEM]

3. I'm not so sure about the Dean situation

We have just raised another million. If we have to we will continue to do so as long as Dean seems a viable candidate. That is the good part of Dean opting out of public funds--he can continue to raise funds. Edwards though didn't--that will be a problem for him.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

4. NO WAY

Really? Holy crap! That is shocking news!

DTH

[Ripley]

5. Highly suspicious.

1. Dean is loaded.
2. In another thread Gephardt's people are jumping on Clark's wagon.
3. Edward damn well better have money to at least be competitive in South Carolina, or he is out.

[GR]

6. I Find That Hard To Believe...

For one thing he has a lot of people like me who are on a monthly plan and the cash flow is coming in each month from those plans. Secondly, I just learned that he has raised $595K since Iowa, more than Kerry and Edwards combined.. A lot of money has been spent building an infrastructure in these other states, so I don't think his startup costs will be as great as other campaigns who are just getting going outside of NH and Iowa...

[LuminousX]

7. I'll need to see some more details

This doesn't sound right to me.

[VolcanoJen]

8. Consider the source: Novak.

I watched the report. Novak says he has spoken to insiders in the Dean campaign who says the campaign overspent in Iowa. He says they have plenty of money for New Hampshire, but that the staffers told him the Dean Campaign does not have enough money to push forward in the early February contests.

It's indeed a shocking development, but honestly, Bob "No Facts" Novak? I'll believe it when I see it.

[MidwestTransplant]

14. If it's true...and I doubt it is

that would be remarkable mismanagement.

[killbotfactory]

15. Novak?

Say no more.

[returnable]

18. Ah, Novak. That explains it.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along :hi:

[xultar]

27. No shit Bob "No Facts" Novak...

Maybe they told him that to get people to open their wallets!

Knowing he had a big mouth and would sell his grandmother for the name of another CIA agent to leak I'm sure they played him like a violin.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

29. NoFacts

I don't doubt that Dean spent more than expected in Iowa, but I would be utterly shocked if he's really out of money after NH.

DTH

[damnraddem]

40. Rove-type plan:

spread rumor that Dean is out of money, hoping that that will keep additional donations from coming in. Dean should just be glad that his wife isn't a CIA operative (well, we know that she's not, because Novak hasn't revealed her to be one).

[bobbieinok]

9. Whoa......who at DU believes CNN?????????????????

...

[Jack_Dawson]

10. Dean has more money than God

I highly doubt it. LINK LINK LINK PLEASE

[Maddy McCall]

11. I thought he had boatloads of money.

Hmmh. :shrug:

[pacifictiger]

12. sounds like a

Novack plant to me. I've watched him twist so many facts into untruths and innuendo - absolutely shamful for a supposed upright journalist. If cnn wants to retain any credibility at all they need to fire than man.

[xultar]

13. WOAH!!! WTF

You gotta be joking...it ain't 4/1/04 yet

that's gotta b a bunch o BULLSHIT!

:wtf:

[killbotfactory]

22. It came from Novak

Do you trust him?

[deutsey]

32. Funny how suddenly Novak is embraced by some here

:evilfrown:

[xultar]

36. Where did that come from? Everyone is saying they don't believe

it. I don't translate that into an embrace.

[xultar]

37. I know that that is why I said WTF and that it wasn't 4/01/04

Does my post say that I trust his fat ass?

[mikehiggins]

24. Please edit your subject line

the moderator locked one thread already for exactly that abbreviation.

[xultar]

28. That was for the start of a thread. Not in the midst. n/t

[displacedtexan]

16. I've been watching all afternoon.

I haven't seen anything to suggest these statements are true.
Can you cite a source? I can replay the tape.

[TrueAmerican]

17. It adds up

$20,000 a month for CMB. Support money for the Florida Democrats. Endorsements come with a price, especially for Howard Dean.

[mikehiggins]

19. That's pretty well impossible, isn't it?

Didn't Dean raise over forty million so far? Hell, even I couldn't spend forty million that quickly.

I think someone is lying.

This is a lot like the earlier claim that Clark has raised thirty million so far. News to us Clark types. Everyone was happy with what got raised last quarter, and that wasn't anywhere near 30 mil.

I think the media is just making this stuff up as they go along.

[SheilaT]

21. Dean raised more than $40 million so far.

He's not out of money.

[Individualist]

23. Sounds like the usual Novak BS

to me. I don't believe anything he says.

[Cha]

49. novak is a traitor to our

Coutry(outing Valerie Plame)..so I don't believe anything he says, either!

[Nite Owl]

25. Doesn't sound right

epecially considering the source. Dean should have a lot and Clark too. I would think that after his showing in Iowa Edwards would have a big cash infusion from followers now that he seems viable. So who has the money? Only Kerry who mortgaged his house? Leiberman? That would be hard to believe.

[dsc]

26. It is bad enough to have sited Novak

but to do so and hide that fact is much worse.

[SangamonTaylor]

30. hard to believe if it is true

but i remember when dean was paying for tv commercials in Austin texas last august and i thought that it was a complete and utter waste of contributed money. Austin doesn't need anymore support, for starters, and considering that Texas is not even really in the primary play.

The costs of busing all of the volunteers and managing the 'largest organization in Iowa caucus history' may have added up.

That really stinks, I need my financial aid check to come through so I can give $25 to Edwards.

[SheilaT]

63. I'm pretty sure that all the volunteers

went to Iowa on their own dime. I know I did. Many of them did stay in the homes of Dean supporters in Iowa, others stayed at some kind of a camp. I paid for my own motel room (a Super 8 and I shared a room to cut costs). There was bottled water given out, and an occasional snack, but we all paid for our own meals. So the volunteers cost the campaign very, very little.

[WilliamPitt]

31. Baloney

Unless Joe Trippi has been lighting his cigars with burning $1000 bills for the last six months, methinks Mr. Novak is hitting the crack pipe again.

[cthrumatrix]

33. counter story --- 1/21 story say plenty of cash read

Dean Has Lots Of Cash For A Long Campaign After Big Iowa Defeat
Wed Jan 21,10:23 AM ET

By Sean Higgins

Howard Dean (news - web sites)'s surprising defeat in Monday's Iowa presidential caucuses has given his rivals new hope of knocking off the Democratic front-runner. But the ex-Vermont governor still has one big advantage: money.

Dean has far outpaced his rivals in fund raising. He has raised $41 million. That's about twice as much as rivals such as Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites) and Gen. Wesley Clark (news - web sites).


If it's a long race for the nomination, Dean has the resources to go the distance. Kerry and Edwards may not - even after finishing first and second in Iowa.


And since Dean has forgone federal matching funds, he won't have to abide by the $45 million primary spending limit.


"That money is critical. It is what will carry him through when his opponents are unable to respond," said Sheila Krumholtz of the Center for Responsive Politics, which watches campaign funding. "He has a good cushion."
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibd/20040121/bs_ibd_ibd/2004121feature

[WilliamPitt]

34. That sounds more like reality

[AP]

42. Key isn't what he has now, it's what he'll have after NH.

He has to win NH. If he were looking good for a win, he could conserve his $. If he's not, he's a fool NOT to spend every penny in NH.

I think what Novak is suggesting is that he's going to have to spend all his money in NH because he's not looking good for a win.

[Dudley_DUright]

48. He would be a fool to spend all his money on NH

A second in NH, with wins down the road and running a national campaign is a much smarter strategy. Candidates drop out because they run out of money. That is not going to happen to Dean for quite a while (Novak's BS not withstanding)

[AP]

51. He'd be a fool not to have, if, say, he loses by 5 or 10 pts with 20 mil

in bank.

You literally can't take it with you. (Well, he could run again.)

[Snivi Yllom]

46. Very Key..matching funds

Soon Dean will be laying broadsides with no response.

[AP]

47. Yeah, that'll be a great message to the public: you rejected my ideas, but

I had the most money, and when the others ran out, I could say whatever I wanted without having to deal with the counterargument.

Yep. Dems are going to love that message. The only reason Dean wins is because of money.

[MercutioATC]

50. Whaaat? That didn't even make sense...

If Dean wins the nomination, it'll be because the people DID respond. It's a fact that it takes money to get your message across, and Dean has money.

It's also true that Iowa and New Hampshire represent a very small part of America...

[AP]

52. You implied that, becaue of money, he can put ads out to which others

can't reply.

That's a winning strategy to be proud of?

[MercutioATC]

57. Oh, PLEASE! You're pulling some "morality" card???

This is a political race. If Dean DOES have the ability to spend more money, it's because he has more people supporting him (and giving him money) than the other candidates do. They had no obligation to stay within the limits...they CHOSE to (because it was the only chance they had of raising decent money at all). It's Dean's fault that he'd actually be hampered by not opting out of matching funds?

To make things completely fair, let's agree that no candidate can spend more than Sharpton. THAT would level the playing field.

BTW, it seems to me that Dean's not the ONLY candidate that decided to forgo matching funds....

[AP]

64. Morality. Yes. I hadn't thought of that. You're right. I guess there is ..

... a morality angle.

Who wants to win only because they could outspend their rivals. You think CNN wouldn't hammer that home so to take that Bush couldn't be criticized for having twice as much money as Dean?

[HFishbine]

41. I thought Novak

was a meth freak. Has he switched to crack?

[xultar]

35. OK we gotta get CNN to fire Novak. He must be on something

how can you go on the Air and just LIE like a SOB? That isn't right.

Everyone write CNN an email detail your disgust with Novak and request his head on a platter!

38k+ emails oughta wake up some heads don't you think?

[dweller]

39. Dude, he does it daily

and outs covert CIA agents on weekends...but write all the same. Eventually maybe they'll bury his ass under the paper work.


dp

[jpgpenn]

38. Thanks for posting this

[GumboYaYa]

43. I have heard that Kerry will need

to raise more money after NH, which shouldn't be hard if he wins or comes close in NH. Maybe they got the names wrong.

One way the Internet has changed campaigns is that the candidates who are suring can raise money quickly. I suspect that Kerry and Edwards will be just fine.

[Snivi Yllom]

44. Dean just raised $600K

whata bunch of crap.

[Leilani]

45. It doesn't seem possible

that Dean is having money problems.

The only possibility is that he has done more groundwork nationally, than anyone else. If he has headquarters, staff in many states, & if he is making huge ad buys in many markets, that burns money quickly.

Novack is an right wing shill, but he always has good sources. the truth will come out, & Dean campaign should refute this report.

[Cuban_Liberal]

53. I find that VERY hard to believe!

Consider the source of the info, as well.

[Name removed]

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

55. He's got plenty and is getting plenty more.

Dean still has the money spigot. He has raised more money post-Iowa than Kerry or Edwards combined (over half a million).




http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=165698

[Polemonium]

56. 40 million and still rolling in

Who knew Dean was for breaking up the media giants?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

58. Someone posted that Dean had orig. had $40million - spent $20million

total in Iowa. Don't know if that's true or not. Anybody remember seeing that? Sounds awfully high....

[MercutioATC]

60. I heard Kerry ads outnumbered Dean's 2-1 in Iowa.

I don't have any verification, just what I'd heard. If this is true, with TV being the most expensive campaigning vehicle, wouldn't Kerry have had to spend more than Dean?

I didn't think Kerry had $20M lying around...especially if he spent anything in N.H.

I'll bet the $20M in Iowa was greatly inflated.

[returnable]

65. Dean spent more on TV ads than anyone in IA

I think the final tally I saw was around $3 million or so on TV sptos.

A good chunk of change, but not enough to break the considerable bank he has.

[KaraokeKarlton]

67. I get NH television networks

Dean is dominating the television ads bigtime. He has at least two different commercials running, maybe more...and they're running often. Lieberman is running an ad, but he's not coming anywhere close to the televised presence of Dean. I haven't seen a single ad from Kerry, Edwards or Clark lately. If they are running any, I'm not seeing them.

[bicentennial_baby]

68. I heard 7-10 million on Iowa

This was speculation based on various rumors over at The Note earlier this week.

[Clark Can WIN]

59. I'd like to see more than just Bob Novak on this

I don't trust him any farther than I can throw Rush Limbaugh.

[DoNotRefill]

61. Nah....

If Dean's broke, he'll just make a call to the grassroots....as long as there's any chance, we'll dig deep again.

[quaker bill]

62. Correct

Rightwing drivel. Without even putting up a bat, Dean raised over $600,000 this week, I hear it is actually closer to one million.

[CWebster]

66. Unlikely.

This week Dean is a screaming maniac. It was last week Dean was attacked for being miserly. Remember? Pinches pennies til they scream.